Help me understand this

[mercy1061]

It is not an attack on Pharisees. It is about understanding their theology on the matter of the promised land.

Not just the promise land. The seat of Moses is not located in the promise land.

 

[visionary]

Not just the promise land. The seat of Moses is not located in the promise land.

So where is the seat of Moses located?

 

[mercy1061]

So where is the seat of Moses located?

The seat of Moses WAS outside the borders of Canaan, as Moses was not allowed to enter the promise land, but only could see it from a distance. So the seat of Moses has authority beyond Israeli borders.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Cycles?

Something like that.


Its like when the reversal of the garden of Eden happened.

God went looking for Adam in the garden amongst the trees and said,'' where are you Adam''

But Adam was hiding amongst the trees.


Then we see Jesus in the garden amongst the trees, and man comes and says,'' Where are you Jesus?''

But Jesus wasn't afraid, and when he spoke, they fell.


Adam went against the word of God because Eve gave him the fruit.


To speak of Jews and gentiles is to speak about a marriage.


But for a marriage to work, the woman needs to be a woman, and not a man.

Just as Eve should have kept her mouth closed, because she was supposed to be a woman in submission, and she is to remain in silence.

If the woman decides that she wants to rule, then she sets herself up as a man, and she has the desire to rule as a man.

So a switching of places begins.


The woman is symbolic of all flesh, and all men are born from a woman.

But the flesh does not want to be a woman in submission, she wants to reverse roles, and truly, there cannot be 2 men, or 2 women in a bond of marriage.


In the beginning, the woman was beautiful and submissive in standing loyal to the husband, just as body should be submissive to the spirit.



And then what happened?


The submissive woman decides that she wants to rule, and rule she does.


But since there cannot be a marriage between a HE/SHE and a man, the woman must move the man out of his place.


So the man is rejected and all his ways are rejected, a new law must be invented and established as God's law, the law of the woman.



And that's where we stand today, a woman who has rejected her husband and she would rule instead of her husband, because she will not submit.


She makes laws against her husband, and then she creates a religion that her husband couldn't possibly accept, after all, it was created against him.


It was in her hands.


She sets herself up as Queen of heaven and closes the gates against any Jew.



If a Christian said that the Jews closed the kingdom up so that no gentile couldn't press in, it is double that in Christianity.

It is a thing set up so that no Jew could join, it is completely and utterly closed to the Jewish people.

We gentiles were made to bring loyalty, and comfort to a people the whole world hated.

But that soon changed.


So now we have the same circumstances where a reversal has taken place and it reminds me of the beginning.



My image of what is coming is the same thing that happened at the first coming in Jerusalem, only much bigger.

When it happens, it will be the gentile churches instead of Jewish.


That's what I think, the same thing will happen with a reversal of roles.

 

[Rachel Rachel]

Hello Rachel.
I apologize for being so rude, it was uncalled for. I do not know what I was thinking when I wrote that. Your question was a indeed a good question. I have not been getting enough sleep which led to foot in mouth disease. Will you please forgive me?
I'm sorry, Michael.

I do accept your gracious apology. Thank you.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Rachel, have you gotten a satisfying answer to your question in the OP?

 

[mercy1061]

This is something I've been struggling with for a while and I've even been having a related discussion on another forum.
I don't know how to deal with it without risking huge disrespect of Paul.

Here's my problem.....

Matthew 5: 17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

1 John 2:
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Revelation 22: 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Now after reading these words from our Messiah - and not just while he walked the earth but even after his resurrection (Revelation 22) how can we justify Paul teaching that the Law is our old schoolmaster and we're dead to the law, etc?

My understanding is that, of course, the Law can't save us - nothing but the blood of Yeshua can save us, but the LORD's Law is eternal.

Also, as I understand it, Ceremonial Law (sacrifices) is fulfilled and Civil Law was intended for Israel only.
Where am I wrong in all this?

If we be dead to the law, then the law must be alive. Without the law sin is dead, but sin can not die if it is already dead. The law brings sin to life or exposes sin, that sin must be removed from the congregation.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

If we be dead to the law, then the law must be alive. Without the law sin is dead, but sin can not die if it is already dead. The law brings sin to life or exposes sin, that sin must be removed from the congregation.

The law is a language.


That's all.


The difference in people, is who can read, and who cannot.

Things were written for the reader, and the reader is no average Joe.



The person who cannot read will say,'' Read this to me and tell me what it means.''


The person who can read knows that it's impossible.




The language is nature.



We are all just here to practice a language, and to evolve.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

I think I will try to stump the geniuses in here.


I will think of a law that they cannot symbolized.


I would say that the law is a poem, and with all poems, the literal words are symbolic.

I would say that every single law is symbolic for something very deep.

It's not the keeping of the law, it's the learning the language of the law and what it means in a darker sense.


I saw somebody say,'' I think most Messianics don't keep the law.''


That sounded like me, I am always speaking about the beauty of the law, but my life doesn't serve as an example of somebody who keeps the law.


But then, I am just a student learning the law.

 

[mercy1061]

This is something I've been struggling with for a while and I've even been having a related discussion on another forum.
I don't know how to deal with it without risking huge disrespect of Paul.

Here's my problem.....

Matthew 5: 17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

1 John 2:
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Revelation 22: 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Now after reading these words from our Messiah - and not just while he walked the earth but even after his resurrection (Revelation 22) how can we justify Paul teaching that the Law is our old schoolmaster and we're dead to the law, etc?

My understanding is that, of course, the Law can't save us - nothing but the blood of Yeshua can save us, but the LORD's Law is eternal.

Also, as I understand it, Ceremonial Law (sacrifices) is fulfilled and Civil Law was intended for Israel only.
Where am I wrong in all this?

It is like christians who boast about collecting or paying tithes but dishonor Sabbath. If we have selfish desires the law that was suppose to give life will result in death.

 

[visionary]

Not just the promise land. The seat of Moses is not located in the promise land.

Yeshua said The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat, which suggests that it is also in Jerusalem where their headquarters is.

 

[mercy1061]

Yeshua said The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat, which suggests that it is also in Jerusalem where their headquarters is.

Yeshua said the Pharisees sit in Moses seat, Yeshua did not say where Moses seat was located or that Moses seat relocated. This why he said be careful concerning the leaven from the Pharisees. It was during ancient Israel's journey from Egypt that she prepared unleavened bread. Israel was in a hurry, Israel did not have time to add leaven........

Egypt would have captured their ancestors if she had prepared leavened bread.....


The purpose of a seat, is to allow a man to sit down and rest.......

 

[kcmonseysr]

This is something I've been struggling with for a while and I've even been having a related discussion on another forum.
I don't know how to deal with it without risking huge disrespect of Paul.

Here's my problem.....

Matthew 5: 17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

1 John 2:
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Revelation 22: 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Now after reading these words from our Messiah - and not just while he walked the earth but even after his resurrection (Revelation 22) how can we justify Paul teaching that the Law is our old schoolmaster and we're dead to the law, etc?

My understanding is that, of course, the Law can't save us - nothing but the blood of Yeshua can save us, but the LORD's Law is eternal.

Also, as I understand it, Ceremonial Law (sacrifices) is fulfilled and Civil Law was intended for Israel only.
Where am I wrong in all this?

Hi Rachel,

Let me start by first of all commending you on your excellent question - a very crucial question and one that sits in waters that have been muddied from the earliest days of the Gospel, as witnessed by the events recorded in Acts 15. And a question that is crucial to spiritual growth, so I would encourage you to continue to ponder this with He who indwells you.

Honestly, I don't know if this question of yours can be at all fully answered by anyone, much less me, in a forum setting that limits us to just human writing, without the advantages of instant feedback by means of more questions (and some rabbit trails) as well as the use of voice inflection, body language, and several pots of good coffee with an appropriate nosh.

Let me then add the problem of my icon. It is not messianic, you may notice; ergo I must be careful about "teaching" in this forum. For the sake of those who are about to put your "hats" on, may I say in my defense that I have no MC literally within two and a half hours of my home, and at the one that is, I was greeted only by the usher and one other visitor at that MC (sorry, Marc), and could not physically attend regularly even if I wanted to. So, in spite of my sympathies, I cannot in clear conscience simply change my icon just to "fit in". So, please grant me a little "wiggle room" while I try not to "teach".

Does "being set free" from something "do away" with that something or does it "disrespect" that something? Can something be said to keep us in bondage if it has authority over us, demands of us that we do something that we are not capable of doing and does not empower us to do that which it commands, and threatens us with death if we do not follow its commands - can that something be said to be keeping us in bondage?

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Rom 8:2-5 NASB​

Should a person "disrespect" something that had for many, many years taken the time to point out his flaws - simply because it was not designed to correct those flaws that it points out?

Better is open rebuke
Than love that is concealed.
Faithful are the wounds of a friend,
But deceitful are the kisses of an enemy. Prov 27:5-6 NASB​

and again:

"So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good." and "…we know that the Law is spiritual; but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin." Rom 7:12, 14 NASB​

So, gee, would Paul really ever write anything "against" the Law? Did he? Is speaking honestly about something really "disrespecting" that something? Where can it be shown that Paul was ever less than completely honest?

Would it be reasonable for a person that has been freed by Another to turn to that which had kept him in bondage, because it was not capable of acting in any other way, in order to receive the strength to walk in that newly granted freedom? If he were to do so, would such an action be respectful towards the One who had freed him?

You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? and But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. Gal 3:1-3, 5:16 NASB​

BUT - would it not be reasonable for him who is freed, and who has now become a son of Him who freed him, to reflect upon what his tutor, the tutor that was instrumental in leading him to his Messiah, had taught him; and can still teach him? Would it not be reasonable to reflect upon, as in a mirror, to see just where his remaining imperfections yet lay - not to "pick those pesky zits" with his own fingers, much less by means of sacrifice - but to honestly point those zits out to Him who rescued him, and is even now in the process of perfecting him?

It is my own opinion that it is best for let us all to ask Him to cleanse those ugly zits for us - there is much less chance that the infection get pushed deeper if we resist the urge to squeeze the puss out ourselves. And, do not those zits that we see in that mirror remind us that we also have a long way to go before we stand in Holiness before Him? And remind us that we are not in of ourselves any better than those "filthy sinners" that we see ourselves surrounded by?

And let us all be as "…one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man shall be blessed in what he does." James 1:25-26 NASB

Again, (I'm sure I'm putting my hairy toe close to the line here ) in my opinion, being "an effectual doer" can only come from a close daily walk with the Living Messiah - talking with Him, discussing with Him, even arguing with Him (I argue, He chuckles - it's a deal we have worked out over the years). In other words, getting to really KNOW Him. I have found that the closer that I walk with Him, the more that I "automatically" (for lack of a better word) find myself walking closer with the demands of Torah. Far from perfect. But progressing. Not from fear of consequences of failure, but from a growing love towards Him who rescued me - and puts up with me.

Blessings,

Ken

 

[mercy1061]

Hello Ken it is good to hear from you again.

Let me start by first of all commending you on your excellent question - a very crucial question and one that sits in waters that have been muddied from the earliest days of the Gospel, as witnessed by the events recorded in Acts 15. And a question that is crucial to spiritual growth, so I would encourage you to continue to ponder this with He who indwells you.

If a man sit in the muddied waters of the Jordan, that man should be baptized by John the baptist? After that man has been buried in the muddied waters of the Jordan, will not John the baptist also lift him up?
The purpose of John's baptism is repentance? Yet Naaman washed himself in the Jordan 7 times at Elisha's command.

Honestly, I don't know if this question of yours can be at all fully answered by anyone, much less me, in a forum setting that limits us to just human writing, without the advantages of instant feedback by means of more questions (and some rabbit trails) as well as the use of voice inflection, body language, and several pots of good coffee with an appropriate nosh.

Hot coffee? Black coffee? That is some pretty hot dark waters that you are drinking my friend. Shall we also add some "cream" or "sugar" make those hot bitter waters taste sweet?

Ex 15
23 They arrived at Marah but couldn’t drink the water there, because it was bitter. This is why they called it Marah [bitterness]. 24 The people grumbled against Moshe and asked, “What are we to drink?” 25 Moshe cried to Adonai; and Adonai showed him a certain piece of wood, which, when he threw it into the water, made the water taste good. There Adonai made laws and rules of life for them, and there he tested them.

Let me then add the problem of my icon. It is not messianic, you may notice; ergo I must be careful about "teaching" in this forum. For the sake of those who are about to put your "hats" on, may I say in my defense that I have no MC literally within two and a half hours of my home, and at the one that is, I was greeted only by the usher and one other visitor at that MC (sorry, Marc), and could not physically attend regularly even if I wanted to. So, in spite of my sympathies, I cannot in clear conscience simply change my icon just to "fit in". So, please grant me a little "wiggle room" while I try not to "teach".

I am sorry about your situation. I enjoy your comments.

Does "being set free" from something "do away" with that something or does it "disrespect" that something? Can something be said to keep us in bondage if it has authority over us, demands of us that we do something that we are not capable of doing and does not empower us to do that which it commands, and threatens us with death if we do not follow its commands - can that something be said to be keeping us in bondage?

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Rom 8:2-5 NASB
​

Now if the law set you free from the law from sin and death, then one must thank the law that set him free, by obeying that law that set him free.

Should a person "disrespect" something that had for many, many years taken the time to point out his flaws - simply because it was not designed to correct those flaws that it points out?

Better is open rebuke
​

Than love that is concealed.
Faithful are the wounds of a friend,
But deceitful are the kisses of an enemy. Prov 27:5-6 NASB
​

and again:

"So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good." and "…we know that the Law is spiritual; but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin." Rom 7:12, 14 NASB
​

Now why would anyone disrespect the law that set him free from sin and death?

So, gee, would Paul really ever write anything "against" the Law? Did he? Is speaking honestly about something really "disrespecting" that something? Where can it be shown that Paul was ever less than completely honest?

Would it be reasonable for a person that has been freed by Another to turn to that which had kept him in bondage, because it was not capable of acting in any other way, in order to receive the strength to walk in that newly granted freedom? If he were to do so, would such an action be respectful towards the One who had freed him?

You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? and But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. Gal 3:1-3, 5:16 NASB
​

Pharisee Shaul is simply saying the law from the Spirit is holy, righteous and good, but the law from "selfish desires" or sin and death is what keeps people in bondage. People use the law to trap other people or for selfish gains. For example I could use the law from the Spirit to inform you, that you must be mj to teach on this forum, or I could use the law to bring sin and death to your posts by reporting you to the authorities for teaching on this forum as some do to their own destruction. I never reported anyone on this forum, because I obey the law of liberty. So you may walk in this freedom or liberty when you post to me; just be careful that you honor torah at all times.

BUT - would it not be reasonable for him who is freed, and who has now become a son of Him who freed him, to reflect upon what his tutor, the tutor that was instrumental in leading him to his Messiah, had taught him; and can still teach him? Would it not be reasonable to reflect upon, as in a mirror, to see just where his remaining imperfections yet lay - not to "pick those pesky zits" with his own fingers, much less by means of sacrifice - but to honestly point those zits out to Him who rescued him, and is even now in the process of perfecting him?

It is my own opinion that it is best for let us all to ask Him to cleanse those ugly zits for us - there is much less chance that the infection get pushed deeper if we resist the urge to squeeze the puss out ourselves. And, do not those zits that we see in that mirror remind us that we also have a long way to go before we stand in Holiness before Him? And remind us that we are not in of ourselves any better than those "filthy sinners" that we see ourselves surrounded by?

Sometimes a little "cream" may help get rid of those zits. If not I recommend that you seek your local physicians advice. Most people forget what they look like each time they look in the mirror, that is why they keep looking in the mirror just in case they miss seeing something the first time they looked. I like to look in the mirror several times each day; my wife lives in the mirror.

And let us all be as "…one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man shall be blessed in what he does." James 1:25-26 NASB

Again, (I'm sure I'm putting my hairy toe close to the line here ) in my opinion, being "an effectual doer" can only come from a close daily walk with the Living Messiah - talking with Him, discussing with Him, even arguing with Him (I argue, He chuckles - it's a deal we have worked out over the years). In other words, getting to really KNOW Him. I have found that the closer that I walk with Him, the more that I "automatically" (for lack of a better word) find myself walking closer with the demands of Torah. Far from perfect. But progressing. Not from fear of consequences of failure, but from a growing love towards Him who rescued me - and puts up with me.

Blessings,

Ken

Sometimes I have to rescue my wife from the mirror, or else I would NEVER be able to use the bathroom. I am so glad to hear you walk closer to the demands of Torah.

 

[kcmonseysr]

Hello Ken it is good to hear form you again.

Sometimes I have to rescue my wife from the mirror, or else I would NEVER be able to use the bathroom. I am so glad to hear you walk closer to the demands of Torah.

Hi Mercy,

Thanks for the welcome . I sympathize with your bathroom problems - I recall the period of time in my life when I competed over the one full bathroom not only with the wife - but with two teen-aged daughters . Even the hot water tank groaned during those less-than-halcyon days!!

As you well know, I cannot get into a debate with you on the issues you raised, so I will be content to just let our two posts stand for themselves as they are and let the readers ponder them if they should wish to - ?

I will take just one small gamble and ask this one question of you: Were you yourself set free by the Law, or by the One who was nailed to the tree for your own transgressions against the Law?

Blessings,

Ken

 

[mercy1061]

Hi Mercy,

Hello Ken, how does that hot coffee with cream added taste?

Thanks for the welcome .

You are very welcome. I enjoy your comments.

I sympathize with your bathroom problems - I recall the period of time in my life when I competed over the one full bathroom not only with the wife - but with two teen-aged daughters . Even the hot water tank groaned during those less-than-halcyon days!!

Thank you very much for you sympathizing with me. Me and my wife have more than one full bathroom, with more than one mirror, when she sees me looking in the mirror, she like to join me looking at myself in the mirror. Then when I take a hot shower, it "clouds" the mirror so she can not see herself. The lesson I learned from my wife: sometimes it is difficult to see yourself in the mirror especially after a hot, steaming shower? Do you agree with my wife, Ken?

As you well know, I cannot get into a debate with you on the issues you raised, so I will be content to just let our two posts stand for themselves as they are and let the readers ponder them if they should wish to - ?

Amen!

I will take just one small gamble and ask this one question of you: Were you yourself set free by the Law, or by the One who was nailed to the tree for your own transgressions against the Law?

Blessings,

Ken

I agree with Pharisee Shaul,

Romans 8:1-5
Therefore, there is no longer any condemnation awaiting those who are in union with the Messiah Yeshua. 2 Why? Because the Torah of the Spirit, which produces this life in union with Messiah Yeshua, has set me free from the “Torah” of sin and death. 3 For what the Torah could not do by itself, because it lacked the power to make the old nature cooperate, God did by sending his own Son as a human being with a nature like our own sinful one [but without sin]. God did this in order to deal with sin, and in so doing he executed the punishment against sin in human nature, 4 so that the just requirement of the Torah might be fulfilled in us who do not run our lives according to what our old nature wants but according to what the Spirit wants. 5 For those who identify with their old nature set their minds on the things of the old nature, but those who identify with the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.


Now the word "law" in the CJB is replaced with Torah; the law and prophets speak of him being persecuted. The One who was persecutued also gave the Torah; we must obey the Spirit from the Torah who also gave the Torah. G-d dealt wth sin, and in doing so he executed the punishment against sin in human nature; so that the just requirement of the Torah might be fulfilled in us who do not run our lives according to our old nature but according to what the Spirit wants. What does the Spirit of Life in Yeshua want to accomplish in us through obedience to Torah?

 

[kcmonseysr]

What does the Spirit of Life in Yeshua want to accomplish in us through obedience to Torah?

Let me ask you a question or two: Are you that stupid? Having begun with the Spirit’s power, do you think you can reach the goal under your own power? [Gal 3:3]

Mercy me lad, sorry (really) about the use of the word "stupid". That is David Stern's choice of words for the translation, not mine .

Blessings,

Ken

 

[mercy1061]

Let me ask you a question or two: Are you that stupid? Having begun with the Spirit’s power, do you think you can reach the goal under your own power? [Gal 3:3]

Mercy me lad, sorry (really) about the use of the word "stupid". That is David Stern's choice of words for the translation, not mine .

Blessings,

Ken

Please read my questions again. Who said anything about reaching the goal under my own power?

 

[kcmonseysr]

Please read my questions again. Who said anything about reaching the goal under my own power?

Gee mercy. Perhaps you're right . But, in my own defense, you throw out so many metaphors [hot coffee, black coffee, cream, sugar, etc,] that, to me, you could claim to say almost anything and I wouldn't be sure one way or another. "

Anyway, it's good to know that you can speak clearly when you want to - I like it when you do, and I'd like to encourage more of that...

Blessings,

Ken

 

[mercy1061]

Gee mercy. Perhaps you're right .

It is always a pleasure for mercy discussing with you, you seem like a very honest person.

But, in my own defense, you throw out so many metaphors [hot coffee, black coffee, cream, sugar, etc,]

You offered to have pots of coffee with another poster so that you may discuss with that poster the topic of discussion, concerning the law. This was a kind gesture on your part, so I thought it would be polite if I participated in the metaphor you used, and offered to add some cream or sugar to your hot cup of coffee? I mean does hot coffee taste like drinking "bitter waters" without added sugar or cream? You remember how Israel could not drink the "bitter waters" at Marah? I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that men add cream or sugar to make their hot cup of coffee taste sweet?

that, to me, you could claim to say almost anything and I wouldn't be sure one way or another. "

Ken, if you don't want cream in your coffee, please let me know!

Anyway, it's good to know that you can speak clearly when you want to - I like it when you do, and I'd like to encourage more of that...

Blessings,

Ken

I mean, I thought I was speaking clearly when I asked if you would like me to add cream or sugar to your hot cup of coffee? Shall we make the dark "bitter waters" taste sweet?

Does coffee stain your teeth? If it does, you may need to "whitewash" or brush your teeth with "whitening" toothpaste (Matt 23:27). Ken, you dont want to smile with stained teeth.