Help me on "hupo" vs 'hypo" stasis

[Pavel Mosko]

I'm working on doing a three part video Blog series regurgitating everything I've learned on the Biblical and historical antecedents that are the milestones leading to Christian Trinitarianism. But there are some discrepancies among the term hypostasis which some refer to as a "hupostasis' so weigh on this on what is the best way to pronounce this term and why. Also is this an American dialectial difference? Or a specific instance of a case ending, like the famous verse speaking of "Faith as the substance of things hoped for", had hupostasis for substance on one web site that appeared in my search engine.

I guess I'm programmed to normally say hypostasis, but I sometimes encounter folks who got more education saying hupo.

 

[prodromos]

It is transliteration of the Greek letter "υ" (upsilon) which is pronounced the same as a short "i" as in "hit". The capital of upsilon is "Υ".
Personally, I would go with "hypostasis".

 

[Der Alte]

I'm working on doing a three part video Blog series regurgitating everything I've learned on the Biblical and historical antecedents that are the milestones leading to Christian Trinitarianism. But there are some discrepancies among the term hypostasis which some refer to as a "hupostasis' so weigh on this on what is the best way to pronounce this term and why. Also is this an American dialectial difference? Or a specific instance of a case ending, like the famous verse speaking of "Faith as the substance of things hoped for", had hupostasis for substance on one web site that appeared in my search engine.
I guess I'm programmed to normally say hypostasis, but I sometimes encounter folks who got more education saying hupo.

Pneumonic to remember the difference. Hypodermic means under skin. Shots are given under the skin not above it.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Pneumonic to remember the difference. Hypodermic means under skin. Shots are given under the skin not above it.

That's kind of what I thought too, and also was thinking of that! So Hypostasis it is....

 

[ArmyMatt]

yeah, it sounds like a transliteration distinction. I never was taught “hupo” in Seminary

 

[Andrei D]

Other than the transliteration, maybe some people are taught ancient Greek pronunciation? I'm just guessing because I do not know ancient pronunciation.

Since neither the Gospels ware written nor the Fathers wrote in ancient Greek, that makes little sense, though.

As far as I recall (and it's not much), the closest approximation for the specific sound made by upsilon as first letter of a word is more like a short 'he' than 'hi' and certainly not 'hu' or 'hoo'. If you want to be real fancy, you stress the 'po' not the 'sta' like most American speakers

 

[Pavel Mosko]

If you want to be real fancy, you stress the 'po' not the 'sta' like most American speakers

I sort of do that any way, because my California/Pacific accent/dialect favors a hard O, like in Poe.

 

[rusmeister]

I've learned that if we had all been taught Greek and Latin in school, none of us would be fooled by any of this, or by the evil euphemisms of modernity. They wouldn't confuse terms like "sex" and "gender" as all do now, and thus, there would be no "transgender" because everybody would see that it is silly to talk about people having a grammatical gender different from their sex. Even "have sex" might never have gotten off the ground, though the languages were still, decreasingly, being taught then. The difference between hypo and hyper would be obvious to all. Those languages are at the core of our own language.

 

[Andrei D]

I've learned that if we had all been taught Greek and Latin in school, none of us would be fooled by any of this, or by the evil euphemisms of modernity. They wouldn't confuse terms like "sex" and "gender" as all do now, and thus, there would be no "transgender" because everybody would see that it is silly to talk about people having a grammatical gender different from their sex. Even "have sex" might never have gotten off the ground, though the languages were still, decreasingly, being taught then. The difference between hypo and hyper would be obvious to all. Those languages are at the core of our own language.

That made me giggle thinking of Sheldon's "coitus"

At least we learned about cis and trans in organic chemistry But our entire word world is made of such as these... infra, supra, epi, meta, tele, peri, ortho, para, ante, post, allo, xeno, homo, hetero, micro, macro, mono, poly, uni, pluri, ana, cata, and ad and ab... then ob, dia, ergo, algo, phono, photo, equ, extra, intra, pro, anti, ana... aaaand I really should be asleep right now.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

That made me giggle thinking of Sheldon's "coitus"

At least we learned about cis and trans in organic chemistry But our entire word world is made of such as these... infra, supra, epi, meta, tele, peri, ortho, para, ante, post, allo, xeno, homo, hetero, micro, macro, mono, poly, uni, pluri, ana, cata, and ad and ab... then ob, dia, ergo, algo, phono, photo, equ, extra, intra, pro, anti, ana... aaaand I really should be asleep right now.

But did you have to learn German to use Beilstein's Organic Encyclopedia?

Organic Chem 2 was the one chemistry class I was permitted to drop for my ChemE degree.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

Oh, HIGH-pos-STA-sis (Erasmian pronunciation) or HEE-pos-STA-sis (Greek)

 

[rusmeister]

Oh, HIGH-pos-STA-sis (Erasmian pronunciation) or HEE-pos-STA-sis (Greek)

Yep. But when speaking English, I champion the use of standard English pronunciation of spelling, and oppose the imposition of foreign pronunciation as vanity and snobbishness. 'Look at me! I know how to pronounce things in foreign languages!" So even though I'm a Russian speaker, I'm OK with English mispronunciation of "babushka" and "pirogi", because I understand why they say it the way that it naturally reads for them.
I hate force-imposed multiculturalism.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

Yep. But when speaking English, I champion the use of standard English pronunciation of spelling, and oppose the imposition of foreign pronunciation as vanity and snobbishness. 'Look at me! I know how to pronounce things in foreign languages!" So even though I'm a Russian speaker, I'm OK with English mispronunciation of "babushka" and "pirogi", because I understand why they say it the way that it naturally reads for them.
I hate force-imposed multiculturalism.

Overall I agree with you. It is when I'm chanting that I use the Greek pronunciation so when I'm switching back and forth I don't confuse myself. So heruvim rather than cherubim. Meh-TAN-ia rather than metan-OI-a. As for terms, I'm comfortable with anything that's close.

So how is pirogi pronounced? I have to make sure that I can at least order food correctly!

Although I'll order GY-ros just to annoy some friends here

 

[ArmyMatt]

Although I'll order GY-ros just to annoy some friends here

may correct pronunciation of that food was one of the reasons my wife said yes to go out with me in the first place (not really, but we enjoy joking about it).

 

[rusmeister]

Overall I agree with you. It is when I'm chanting that I use the Greek pronunciation so when I'm switching back and forth I don't confuse myself. So heruvim rather than cherubim. Meh-TAN-ia rather than metan-OI-a. As for terms, I'm comfortable with anything that's close.

So how is pirogi pronounced? I have to make sure that I can at least order food correctly!

Although I'll order GY-ros just to annoy some friends here

The Russian pronunciation is /pee-rah-GHEE/ (the singular being /pee-ROAG/, and /BAH-boosh-kuh/.

I still use names like /bahm-BAY/ and /khan-stan-tih-NO-pull/. I value traditional English convention over fashionable modern “hip” pronunciations...

 

[GreekOrthodox]

The Russian pronunciation is /pee-rah-GHEE/ (the singular being /pee-ROAG/, and /BAH-boosh-kuh/.

I still use names like /bahm-BAY/ and /khan-stan-tih-NO-pull/. I value traditional English convention over fashionable modern “hip” pronunciations...

So you dont approve of Istanbul (Not Constantinople) by They Might Be Giants?

Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way

 

[prodromos]

Istanbul is what the Turks thought the Greeks called Constantinople, when they simply referred to it as "The City", "Η Πόλη". People would say they were going, "to the city", which in Greek is "εις την πόλυ", "ees tin poly". For those who don't know Greek, when "n" is followed by "p", the "p" becomes pronounced as "b", so the pronunciation is "ees tin boly"

 

[GreekOrthodox]

Istanbul is what the Turks thought the Greeks called Constantinople, when they simply referred to it as "The City", "Η Πόλη". People would say they were going, "to the city", which in Greek is "εις την πόλυ", "ees tin poly". For those who don't know Greek, when "n" is followed by "p", the "p" becomes pronounced as "b", so the pronunciation is "ees tin boly"

Pretty much if you are in the NYC area, "the city" is NYC.

 

[prodromos]

Pretty much if you are in the NYC area, "the city" is NYC.

It's the same here in Sydney.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Istanbul is what the Turks thought the Greeks called Constantinople, when they simply referred to it as "The City", "Η Πόλη". People would say they were going, "to the city", which in Greek is "εις την πόλυ", "ees tin poly". For those who don't know Greek, when "n" is followed by "p", the "p" becomes pronounced as "b", so the pronunciation is "ees tin boly"

that’s an interesting little factoid