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Personally, I find that when we struggle for truth the limit of what we know to be right or wrong has been reached in our conscience. We need assurance to the truth. I believe the Lord Jesus Christ calls us to trust in Him to fulfil this understandable anguish many of us find in living life.

While I am thankful to Him, there is still tension in daily life and I must continue to call on Him. I think you will find a most practical way of life in following Him. A clear example is in the parable of the rich young man; see Matthew 19:16-30. The secret is living by His commandments which the rich young man failed to grasp is never a done deal in daily life. This usually not easy but it is necessary.
 
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Thank you all for the replies!

First let me say I have in fact attended many liturgies. My first was when I was in basic training for the U.S. Navy. I was in the process of being kicked out of the navy for a suicide attempt in training. They don't let you leave until you have been processed out which took me 2 1/2 months. During that time all we were allowed to do was eat, clean, and go to chapel. So since I had such an interest in Russia at the time I went to the Orthodox service which was a vespers, and I later attended a liturgy. Firstly the Fr. (whose name I cannot unfortunately recall because I would very much like to talk to him again) answered so many questions that had been bothering me for years as a southern baptist. And the service Oh the service... I realized at that moment just what every Christian in America was missing. Later at home I went to a few services at a Greek Orthodox church in my city of Charlotte. I must admit I felt a little out of place and some of the service was in Greek which later made me look for other parishes. There is an OCA parish in my area that I tried to attend and contact on multiple occasions but there services times online must be wrong because every time I was there I was all alone! I think because at this time I was so desperately wanting to be Orthodox that I became furious at the fact that things were not working out. I cannot drive right now so I am reliant on my Baptist family to take me to services which is not... Ideal. I also work on Sundays and Friday nights.

Your answers are right in the fact that I would have to let go of all my doubts, but the question is HOW. That is almost the center of the personality. I am the sarcastic, judge others for stupidity, look at everything with skepticism type. I can't even form a consistent political opinion because I am constantly questioning If my opinion is viable.

All I can say is this. I love nothing more than the Christian Religion. But I am sure most of you would agree that is completely different than loving Christ. But how can I love Christ if I don't even know what loving my own family is. I have gotten to a point where I just don't feel much affection for anyone or anything. I appreciate people, but very few would I say I love, if any.

Another thing I struggle with when I read the OT is the apparent cruelty of God. I am pretty much a hippy at heart so all the violence and bloodshed combined with words against Homosexuality etc turn me away. I just don't understand why being Gay is so wrong (I am strait). That and one could argue that the execution of the Canaanites was a genocide. I read these passages and I say how can I follow that, even though I want to be a part of the whole it is small pieces that bother me.
 
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Also If I wanted to become Orthodox I would essentially have to quit my job, which I need since I have massive debt from college. I don't mind that so much it is just terrifying to think about. Some days all I wan't to do is run away to Israel and find the answers myself. I would have nothing, no food, no car. I just don't know what to do in my situation.
 
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The OT, in some places, is definitely hard to fathom. Nonetheless, the Lord summed up most of it in the 2 great commands to love God & neighbor & the golden rule ( Matthew 7:1-12, Matthew 22;36-40 etc). We are to conduct ourselves accordingly ( Luke 9:51-56 ).

I would also suggest looking up a document called the Didache online......gotta go, work break over.,,,
 
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Hello aluke164, have you contacted the priests at any of the parishes you're interested in? Most parishes will have Saturday evening vespers, and a few hold regular weekday liturgies (or feast day liturgies where they fall on a weekday or Saturday). The priest may be able to put you in touch with someone who passes though your area who could give you a lift to church.

If you are in NC, Nativity of the Holy Virgin Orthodox Church (OCA) has Great Vespers at 5.30pm on Saturdays (their online calendar shows the wrong time for Divine Liturgy, it should be am). A little further out, St Nektarios Greek Orthodox Church has weekday liturgies for the month of July, starting at the end of June (details here). They also stream their services live online, and have recent services uploaded to YouTube.

Wishing you all the best in your journey towards Orthodoxy, and will be praying for you.:crosseo:
 
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Dear a Luke164,
I feel for you in your struggles ,and pray for you, that Our dear Lord will support you, as you travel the road to Him, and the 'peace beyond all understanding', which comes ,when you finally place your entire trust in Him .
Yes it can be a long and trying road ,and most of us have been there, in some way or other .
I am too attracted to the Orthodox , having been RCC ., but am old in the tooth, and far away from any O.Church .
So ,I have my own two ICONS , which most definitely have a positive and heartening effect on my daily mood , being light filled, in a darkening world .
In fact I cannot imagine being without them now ,so maybe you could try that to inspire you daily .

When I had left the RCC for many years , and having entered a very intellectual lifestyle, with 'rational', cynical types , and read the usual Dawkins and co .,
it was very difficult , as with you ,to give up this part of me , but it of course on it's own, is a very cold and desperate world, this of the rational ,without the recognition of WHO, created of all this, 'matter ' and order .

When I started to believe again , but would not pray every day ,and so did not get the benefits prayer ,which contact with God give , I thought of the computer, and that if I did not plug it in ,connect to the internet , I could not benefit from it's use ,so after a shaky start, I pray every day, often ,and at least once on my knees ,and I have been never better in my life .

When you have Jesus in your life ,it just gets better and better .Love to you my young friend , and give your sorrows over to the Beloved . Patience and fortitude too !
 
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I wish non-Orthodox members realized that they are posting on the Orthodox congregational forum. I think it's great that non-Orthodox can see posts, but I think a lot of folk don't get that they are not in a general CF forum here.

My apologies to you sir, I didn't realize what section this was in. And did not mean to cause an offense. I just saw a cry for help, and felt led to pray for this gentleman. Because we are all one in God's eyes, all apart of the same body of Christ.

God bless you with an abundance of grace and peace
 
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Thank you all for the replies!

First let me say I have in fact attended many liturgies. My first was when I was in basic training for the U.S. Navy. I was in the process of being kicked out of the navy for a suicide attempt in training. They don't let you leave until you have been processed out which took me 2 1/2 months. During that time all we were allowed to do was eat, clean, and go to chapel. So since I had such an interest in Russia at the time I went to the Orthodox service which was a vespers, and I later attended a liturgy. Firstly the Fr. (whose name I cannot unfortunately recall because I would very much like to talk to him again) answered so many questions that had been bothering me for years as a southern baptist. And the service Oh the service... I realized at that moment just what every Christian in America was missing. Later at home I went to a few services at a Greek Orthodox church in my city of Charlotte. I must admit I felt a little out of place and some of the service was in Greek which later made me look for other parishes. There is an OCA parish in my area that I tried to attend and contact on multiple occasions but there services times online must be wrong because every time I was there I was all alone! I think because at this time I was so desperately wanting to be Orthodox that I became furious at the fact that things were not working out. I cannot drive right now so I am reliant on my Baptist family to take me to services which is not... Ideal. I also work on Sundays and Friday nights.

Your answers are right in the fact that I would have to let go of all my doubts, but the question is HOW. That is almost the center of the personality. I am the sarcastic, judge others for stupidity, look at everything with skepticism type. I can't even form a consistent political opinion because I am constantly questioning If my opinion is viable.

All I can say is this. I love nothing more than the Christian Religion. But I am sure most of you would agree that is completely different than loving Christ. But how can I love Christ if I don't even know what loving my own family is. I have gotten to a point where I just don't feel much affection for anyone or anything. I appreciate people, but very few would I say I love, if any.

Another thing I struggle with when I read the OT is the apparent cruelty of God. I am pretty much a hippy at heart so all the violence and bloodshed combined with words against Homosexuality etc turn me away. I just don't understand why being Gay is so wrong (I am strait). That and one could argue that the execution of the Canaanites was a genocide. I read these passages and I say how can I follow that, even though I want to be a part of the whole it is small pieces that bother me.

You are dealing with several things, and hopefully you can get answers for them.

It can be helpful to talk to an Orthodox priest about the apparent cruelty of God in the OT. I once struggled with that myself. The real picture of God revealed to us is in the Person of Jesus Christ. Where God in Scripture seems opposed to Christ, we can be sure that we have a misunderstanding of who God is.

Specifically, remember Christ and the woman brought to Him, caught in the act of adultery, which was so serious she should have been stoned to death. Christ defended her instead, and told her that He did not condemn her (but He did tell her to go and sin no more). And the Samaritan woman, who was likely an outcast from society because she had had five husbands, and currently had a man without being married to him. He had a theological discussion with this woman, and through her reached out to her entire village (who were all supposed to be pariahs to the Jews anyway).

Understanding sin from the Orthodox point of view is very helpful too. The more legal mindset often tends to see God as either punishing wrongdoing, or preventing "fun", or both. But rather we understand the damage sin does to us, like a sickness, or a poison. God wants to prevent us harming ourselves, and to heal us.

But I will also say, regarding same-sex attraction, Orthodoxy has a much less condemning and much more reasonable understanding of the issue, being more concerned with our various tendencies and how we might respond to them and what the results will be, rather than the mindset I see in many other Christian groups, who seem to see same-sex attraction as some special class of especially condemning sin.

I would second the advice that perhaps the priest can help you arrange a ride. There are probably many who would appreciate the chance to offer help, because we seek ways to help one another in love.

I'm not sure about the OCA with wrong service times. Especially on Sunday, but really every service we have, people tend to show up early, and stay to socialize after, so if nobody at all is there, that's really odd ... I wonder if they've lost their priest and are having to have one visit, or something else very unusual?

Reading anti-Christian writers is probably one of the worst things a person in confusion could do, and if there is any desire at all to seek Christ, should probably be avoided like a deadly poison for now.

And "feelings" of love can be quite ... confusing. I can't say if it is the same, but I once went through a period of very similar-sounding angst. At the time, I realized that what I experienced as "love" was really selfishness in some degree, in every case. I didn't love anyone unconditionally. I enjoyed how they made me feel, or liked how they treated me, etc. but there was nothing of purely selfless love in me at that time. It was quite a shock. I remember it very vividly, though it was a long time ago.

In a way, I think love of Christ must come first before we can selflessly and truly love others. Part of the problem, in my case, is that what I was "missing" was really something that only God could give me. And I think it is necessary to really receive that kind of love before we become able to give it to others.

I don't know if that resonates with you at all. But I'm confident that if you are feeling this drawing, then what you need for a foundation is there. It can be a bumpy ride, but if you persevere and cooperate with God, He will bring you through to faith in whatever way is best for you.

God be with you.
 
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Wow! Thank all of you so much I wasn't actually expecting any responses to actually satisfy me but I was clearly wrong for that. I feel love from all of you for sure. It may be awhile before I can check out that OCA parish (when I can drive). I have emailed the priest a few times several months ago with no response so perhaps it was as you said and something was going on. Its not going to be easy to tell the people around me that I have once again switched sides but perhaps if I can be more patient this time something will change. I can only hope can't I?
 
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Dear readers,

But they can't silence that voice in the back of my head.

You are not an atheist. You know who that voice in the back of your head is. Follow it. He has never left you.
 
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Wow! Thank all of you so much I wasn't actually expecting any responses to actually satisfy me but I was clearly wrong for that. I feel love from all of you for sure. It may be awhile before I can check out that OCA parish (when I can drive). I have emailed the priest a few times several months ago with no response so perhaps it was as you said and something was going on. Its not going to be easy to tell the people around me that I have once again switched sides but perhaps if I can be more patient this time something will change. I can only hope can't I?

and maybe the priest is just not good at checking his email. the priest who received me is an awesome priest, but never responds via email. so maybe try to call?

and of course there is hope. God sees your struggle, He knows your heart, He knows what He is doing to bring you home
 
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Wow! Thank all of you so much I wasn't actually expecting any responses to actually satisfy me but I was clearly wrong for that. I feel love from all of you for sure. It may be awhile before I can check out that OCA parish (when I can drive). I have emailed the priest a few times several months ago with no response so perhaps it was as you said and something was going on. Its not going to be easy to tell the people around me that I have once again switched sides but perhaps if I can be more patient this time something will change. I can only hope can't I?
What've you got to lose?
 
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Stop trying so hard to believe. You need to quiet your mind and just be still.

Do this:

Every morning find a quiet place and make yourself comfortable and pray the Jesus Prayer. "Lord Jesus Christ Son of God, Have Mercy on Me." Say the words in a quite whisper and just listen to them. When images or thoughts pop up in your mind, ignore them. Just repeat and LISTEN to the words. Do it every morning for at least 15 minutes.

And find an Orthodox Church and attend the Divine Liturgy as often as you can.

And finally, focus on serving others.

God is there. You'll see.
 
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Stop trying so hard to believe. You need to quiet your mind and just be still.

Do this:

Every morning find a quiet place and make yourself comfortable and pray the Jesus Prayer. "Lord Jesus Christ Son of God, Have Mercy on Me." Say the words in a quite whisper and just listen to them. When images or thoughts pop up in your mind, ignore them. Just repeat and LISTEN to the words. Do it every morning for at least 15 minutes.

And find an Orthodox Church and attend the Divine Liturgy as often as you can.

And finally, focus on serving others.

God is there. You'll see.
It's funny because I'm still weird about praying aloud. (Not OP, btw.)
I'm sure it isn't necessary for the Jesus prayer, but some times I feel like for the sake of all of God's holy host that they aren't privvy to every evil thought that I have. So I hope that when they see me cross myself that they are satisfied, sometimes. It's something that I'm working on, though. I said the Lord's prayer aloud today, I think. And I prostrated 3x. I would've recommended 3 prostrations. :)
 
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