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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Jonaitis, Aug 17, 2019.

  1. Jonaitis

    Jonaitis Sleep is for the weak

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    I glanced at the etymology of the term 'hell,' and noticed that it originally means 'to hide or cover.' Well, that's interesting since Sheol/Hades in Scripture means the same thing. It is in my understanding in the past that 'hell' in the King James Version conveyed the same meaning as 'Sheol,' so why do we equate it with 'Gehenna' that will arrive at the last day? How did we confuse the two things?

    Hell is the abode of the dead in Old English, not the final destination of the wicked.

    What are your thoughts on this?
     
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  3. Jonaitis

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    I don't get it?
     
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    /nvm
     
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  5. Jonaitis

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    This is another thing that confuses me. In the Old Testament, as you noted, people were gathered to their fathers in the same place - Sheol - the righteous and unrighteous. In the New Testament, it appears that Sheol (Gr. Hades) is where the rich man is in torment. If I remember right in Jewish tradition, Sheol is the same as Gehenna, the place of punishment for the wicked.
     
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  6. As Hell Falls

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    The equation is one that is almost identical. Sheol (in the general sense) was temporary heaven and hell separated by a chasm (see Jesus talking of Lazarus & the rich man). The paradise side of Sheol, according to my understanding of Scripture, was either transported, left vacant or just done got gone when Jesus led captivity captive (removed the OT saints to be in the presence of God). The temporary Hell side of Sheol is still, by all general purposes, hell-ish, that is there is no comfort but a lasting torment. Once the final judgment happens then Sheol, and its inhabitants therein, will be cast into the lake of fire which we also call Hell. So, the difference is minute since both are horrible places to be & there is no escape from either one once a person goes there. Hope this helps, please reply if you want to further discuss!
     
  7. Jonaitis

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    However, in Luke 16:22-23 it only says the Rich Man was in Hades. Abraham's Bosom is Paradise, but Hades is spoken of as torment.
     
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  8. D.A. Wright

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    The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is a parable—not meant to be taken completely literally.

    The Rich Man And Lazarus - Dennis Crews
     
  9. As Hell Falls

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    From my studies & knowledge, Hades & Sheol are interchangeable translative words. Both mean "the place of the dead" & are often referred to in what our vernacular would be Hell in its general sense.
     
  10. As Hell Falls

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    From my studies & knowledge, Hades & Sheol are interchangeable translative words. Both mean "the place of the dead" & are often referred to in what our vernacular would be Hell in its general sense.
     
  11. As Hell Falls

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    From my studies & knowledge, Hades & Sheol are interchangeable translative words. Both mean "the place of the dead" & are often referred to in what our vernacular would be Hell in its general sense.
     
  12. Jonaitis

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    I disagree that the parable isn't a real scenario.
     
  13. sdowney717

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    However also Jesus says no one has ascended in to heaven except He which came down from heaven, the Son of Man. So we understand at death, the place of the dead was divided into two distinct places, fiery torments and Abraham's bosom. But it was still the abode of those who had died, not heaven. No one went to heaven until the Resurrection.
    People did not go to sleep unconscious at death, only the body was referred to as sleeping at death. As when Jesus spoke of the little girl who died as asleep, and He went to wake her.
     
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  14. As Hell Falls

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    The rich man & Lazarus is not a parable, Jesus never gave names of people in parables & He did not liken the story to anything (something that is done in, I am fairly confident, every parable).
     
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    Where did you get the idea there are two hells?
     
  16. sdowney717

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    Its just hell, the place of the dead, Hell can also have many 'mansions' or areas as does heaven. Hell is a place, Heaven is also a place.

    We actually read there is a lowest hell, so Hell is different, not monolithic. If there is a lowest hell, then there is a hell above the lowest hell. And perhaps then levels of hell.
    Deuteronomy 32:22 For a fire is kindled in My anger, And shall burn to the lowest hell; It shall consume the earth with her increase, And set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
     
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  17. As Hell Falls

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    Not that there are two hells; rather that one is a temporary place of judgment (i.e. torment) and the other is the permanent destination for those without Jesus.

    I got this from the plain reading of Scripture: Revelation 20:14, Luke 16 (Luke 16 describes Sheol (place of the dead) and is evidently not the same as the Lake of Fire. Ephesians 4:9 states Jesus descended into Sheol & that is where He took the OT Saints from to bring into the presence of God. If Hell is just, well Hell, then why were the OT Saints in the place of torment? Again, Luke 16 shows the proper case for that.) Luke 16 & Revelation 20 show that there is a temporary place until the time of Jesus' atonement for the Saints & the time of judgment for those who reject Jesus.

    I realize this is worded odd on my part so please inquire further if my reply is...unsatisfactory. :)
     
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  18. David Neos

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    At least you don't use the Spanish word "Infierno" which come from the Latin "Infernus" which is the same word for both the Hades and Gehenna.
     
  19. SarahsKnight

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    Which is the reason I am rather amazed when I hear a few Christians insist that the KJV is the 100% perfect, non-biased translation of the true word of God. .... When it is fully demonstrable that it isn't.
     
  20. D.A. Wright

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    That is certainly your prerogative.

     
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