Why honor that choice & cut off any further chances of accepting His love? Thus leading to hell & torments for eternity. That's not the will of a loving being, but a sicko sadist.
if people in this life are not given that many chances, you don't know that someone will or will not reject God a trillion times.
because they are at the point where they will never accept His love. for those in hell, their answer to God will always be no.
If the omniscient being knew in advance they would reject him trillions of times, which is virtually mathematically impossible, this being should not have created/conceived them to begin with. But he did, knowing their fate. How is that not a sicko sadistic being?
Whose fault is that for creating beings that can reach a point where they will "never accept His love"? He created them poorly, if that is the case, that even His omnipotence can no longer reach them with His love. So how is that not a sicko sadistic being?
because He loves, and He loves infinitely, which means He never stops loving those who hate Him.
theirs, because they know where hell leads.
We are not Unitarian Universalists.
If we as individuals realize we need a savior, then perhaps a possibility for all to be saved may exist.
That is the domain of God, not us, to decide.
Any person whether Christian or not, can be saved but that is the Lord’s judgment ( John 5:22-30, Matthew 25:31-46 etc.).
It sounds good to tell someone that all will be saved and a terrible deception to those who needed repentance but neglected it when death occurs.
He does fail to love them when He fails to mercifully annihilate them out of the eternity of existing in torments. Or to allow the possibility of accepting His love after judgement day. Or allowing them to exist in being concieved in the first place.
Moreover:
So God has made it so after Judgement Day they are not able to accept His love as the saints do. Whose fault is that? How is God then not a sick sadist for eternity?
As i said:
Millions today are not tormented by "the peace and love and light that God IS". Is Love Omnipotent going to force these hellish blessings on those tormented in hell? Whose fault is that? As i said:
God is already omnipresent. And many people go through their lives "enjoying the pleasures of sin" happily without being tormented by Him or His love. So Love Omnipotent, instead of tormenting His created beings for eternity, could put each wicked person on their own planet where they could harm no one else & enjoy the pleasures of sin for eternity. Such as the pleasures of music, films, books, drugs, sex & other entertainments. He could even help them turn off negative thoughts.
If you think that's what they'll experience in hell, then we're more or less agreed, everyone will be saved & experience a blessed eternity. Those who accepted God in a superior way.
If you don't think God will let them experience a blessed eternity, but one of torments, then does that make God a sicko sadist for eternity?
Is God powerless to create a virtual eternity of pleasure for those destined to "hell"? Is God impotent? Is He forced to watch impotently as sufferings continue for eternity? What kind of a God is that? Sadistic? Stupid in how He created & ordered things? Weak & not having all power in heaven and earth?
Few, if any, would have that knowledge in this life. If it would come postmortem or on Judgement Day, and they know the consequence is an eternity of torments, no sane person would choose that. And in courts of law insane people are found innocent.
And, again, if Love Omnipotent doesn't annihilate them after making that choice, but lets them suffer for eternity, how is He not responsible & a sicko sadist, rather than Love?
He does fail to love them when He fails to mercifully annihilate them out of the eternity of existing in torments. Or to allow the possibility of accepting His love after judgement day. Or allowing them to exist in being concieved in the first place.
someone can't give permission to exist prior to their existence.
love doesn't annihilate.
and they eternally choose to reject Him.
also, people now live prior to Judgment Day. when speaking about hell we are talking about afterwards. so they can live in sin now if they want, but eventually they will confront the God they rebel against.
you say no sane person would choose that, but that isn't something you can know, plus Scripture shows otherwise.
theirs, because they know where hell leads.
Posting the same thing again and again and again is against CF rules.
No wonder these threads end up being locked.
Posting the same thing over and over is against the rules, and you have been doing that consistently.Actually i think Army Matt & I have been breaking in some new ground never seen before. That's the advantage of rehashing subjects over & over again. You get new thoughts over time as people learn more from year to year. And new participants get involved who offer up new & interesting things. I certainly know more about universalism than i did one, two or three years ago, let alone when i first accepted it as truth 4 decades ago as a rather young new born again Christian.
One thread was locked because of non EU not allowed to talk to debate one other. And in the other thread the same guy came in and made a post to me, and then it was locked.
Posting the same thing over and over is against the rules, and you have been doing that consistently.
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As to where you have done this, I prefer to assume you are capable of reading back through your posts on the now locked thread. You have big chunks of identical text you've copy/pasted in one post after another.
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