Hell.

[SoundCard]

Another thing to chime in: Hell was not created for man but for the devil and his angels. People only wind up going there because their lot was cast in with the fallen angels, so their fate is the same.

 

[dollarsbill]

Hell is described pretty vividly in the Bible.

Now that is fact! So then, why do many 'Christians' read the Bible and deny the existence of Hell or eternal fire? The NT terms 'eternal' 'everlasting' 'unquenchable' and 'forever' are used directly with punishment in the fire. What could be the motives of those who deny the eternal Hell that is mentioned many times in the NT?

 

[rturner76]

Well, I'll tell you MY motives because I'm such a Christian. I believe some things are a metaphor and may not be literal. Some could be talking about an emotional state or a feeling or a point of view. Maybe telling how it could be if God were too choose to make it that way. It depends on how you see the Bible.

 

[dollarsbill]

Well, I'll tell you MY motives because I'm such a Christian. I believe some things are a metaphor and may not be literal. Some could be talking about an emotional state or a feeling or a point of view. Maybe telling how it could be if God were too choose to make it that way. It depends on how you see the Bible.

The NT teaching of the eternal fire is clearly literal and abundant.

 

[rturner76]

I don't think so. Do you happen to have the verses? I'm not a scholar. I think some describe it differently. I'll try to look some up. If I'm wrong I'll repent

 

[dollarsbill]

I don't think so. Do you happen to have the verses? I'm not a scholar. I think some describe it differently. I'll try to look some up. If I'm wrong I'll repent

Search the NT for those words I listed. Punishment in the fire is mentioned over and over. I.E 'eternal' 'everlasting' 'unquenchable' and 'forever' They are linked directly to punishment in the fire.

 

[rturner76]

And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 25:30)

"Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;" (II Thessalonians 1:9).

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8).

"Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:44).

And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit" (Revelation 9:2).

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death" (Revelation 20:14

And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame " (Luke 16:24). The rich man wanted water but could not get any.

 

[rturner76]

Yeah, mostly all fire I think because fire has something to do with purification like when you boil water or cook meat well done. I will have to meditate on this my brother.

I have a hard time thinking God will punish his children so. I always fell Jesus sacrifice was sufficient for all sin. How can I turn a blind eye to the word of God. I though it was more inconsistant than that but it is all hell fire.

 

[dollarsbill]

Yeah, mostly all fire I think because fire has something to do with purification like when you boil water or cook meat well done. I will have to meditate on this my brother.

I have a hard time thinking God will punish his children so. I always fell Jesus sacrifice was sufficient for all sin. How can I turn a blind eye to the word of God. I though it was more inconsistant than that but it is all hell fire.

Many will deny the eternal fire, nevertheless it is clear NT.

Revelation 20:10 (NASB)
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[someguy14]

Let us be patient. Gods will be done. Gods ways alone are perfect. His will only be done.

 

[God's Word]

I have a hard time thinking God will punish his children so.

rturner76:

It won't be "God's children" who go there, but the Devil's children.

Matthew 13:36-43

"Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; BUT THE TARES ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE WICKED ONE; THE ENEMY THAT SOWED THEM IS THE DEVIL; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

 

[Jpark]

Luke 13:1-5 Now on the same occasion there were some present who reported to Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices.

2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this?

3 I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

4 Or do you suppose that those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them were worse culprits than all the men who live in Jerusalem?

5 I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

Hell is vulnerability; getting killed by an animal or being in a place at the wrong time is by no means a coincidence.

Hell (punishment after death) is loss of well being. Luke 16. Imo, the nature of this hell is eternal physical fire and it's location is the core.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hell

Great thread!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7464995/
Why no mention of "gehenna" in Paul's Epistles?

Matthew 23:2 saying "upon the seat of Moses are seated the Scribes and the Pharisees
Matt 23:33 "Serpents! produce of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the geennhV <1067>

39:12 And house of Israel bury them so that to purify/cleanse the land seven months. And all of people of the land bury them.

 

[dollarsbill]

You reckon someone has to believe in Hell to spend eternity there?

 

[Knee V]

Yeah, mostly all fire I think because fire has something to do with purification like when you boil water or cook meat well done. I will have to meditate on this my brother.

I see your point of view as one side of a coin. I would take it a step further and say that the "fire" exposes things for what they truly are - wood, hay, and stubble, or gold, silver, and precious jewels. It can possibly be a purification for some (mind you I don't hold to the notion of purgatory), but destruction for others (not in the sense of annihilation, as the Orthodox don't believe in that; more in the sense of "my life has been destroyed").

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I see your point of view as one side of a coin. I would take it a step further and say that the "fire" exposes things for what they truly are - wood, hay, and stubble, or gold, silver, and precious jewels. It can possibly be a purification for some (mind you I don't hold to the notion of purgatory), but destruction for others (not in the sense of annihilation, as the Orthodox don't believe in that; more in the sense of "my life has been destroyed").

The book of Revelation appears to mention something about that

Reve 18:10 "standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.'
11 "And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore:
12 "merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble;
13 "and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men.



.

 

[Optimax]

Do what Rom 10:9-10 says and one does not need to be concerned about hell.

 

[Noxot]

our God is a consuming fire.

 

[Lysimachus]

Most of the time, the word "hell" (sheol or hades) just means "grave". But when it is referring to "hell-fire", it uses the word "gehenna" for which Christ always places at the "end of the age". I believe Hell-Fire does not presently exist, but will come down out of heaven at the end of the age (at the end of the millennium) according to Matthew 13:40-42, 49,50 and Revelation 20. The wicked are dead, asleep, with no consciousness, reserved for punishment in the last day (2 Peter 2:9, KJV; Job 21:30-32, KJV), and will be resurrected from their graves at the "resurrection of damnation" (John 5:29). I believe the wicked will burn up and turn to ashes according to Malachi 4:1,3, and even Satan himself will turn to ashes (Ezekiel 28:16-19). Hell-Fire will be "on" the earth, not under the earth (Revelation 20:9; 2 Peter 3:10), and will come from the sky and form the Lake of Fire covering the breadth of the earth. Since the Lake of Fire is primarily prepared for the Devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41), and since we know that the Devil and his angels are not burning now and will only burn at the end of the age, then hell-fire cannot be burning now. In Greek, the term "forever and ever" actualy can be translated "for ages and ages", meaning for a long period of time, but does not mean endless.

"Everlasting punishment" (Matt. 25:46) is not endless punishing, nor is "everlasting destruction" (2 Thess. 1:9) endless destroying, any more than "eternal salvation" (Heb. 5:9) is endless saving, or "eternal judgment" (Heb. 6:2) is endless judging, or &#8220;eternal redemption&#8221; (Heb 9:12) is endless redeeming, or &#8220;everlasting gospel&#8221; (Rev 14:6) is endless preaching. The "eternal" pertains to the result, and not to the process. The results or consequences are eternally irrevocable. And of course, it is worthy of mention that the words &#8220;everlasting&#8221; and &#8220;eternal&#8221; in the New Testament are both translated from the same Greek word, &#8220;aionos&#8221;.

Excellent website:

http://www.HellTruth.com

 

[Ajax 777]

"ABANDON ALL HOPE, ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE" was supposedly
written on the gates there by Jesus...

I have no idea if that is true or not, however.
Come to think of it, I can't even recall where I first heard that.