CheshireCat said:hell is a state of being away from God's grace. How does one get away from God's grace? Well you never really can be totally away from it because if you did you would cease to exist and God is loving and thusly would never do that. However, if the person chooses to distance themselves from God by choosing a sinful life, etc., then God is not punishing, but allowing the person to fufill their own desire, because He/She/It would never force anyone to love Him/Her/It.
uncornfuzzled now?
Lucretius said:Uh no one is allowed to leave hell, so if someone who didn't believe in God dies and then realizes there is a God; God will still send them to hell for an eternity for unbelef when now the unbeliever believes. That is perfect love?
Lucretius said:You have to be baptized to be saved, it is in the bible I'm not baptized, if I believed in God, but I wasn't baptized I would go to hell for eternity too
AvgJoe said:Some groups believe this but it is not true, its an unbiblical belief.
Lucretius said:Unbiblical? Mark 16:16 "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."
Perhaps one could say that they didn't say if you ARENT baptized you will still be saved, but then why is baptism necessary in the first place if it isn't really a necessity to get into heaven?
AvgJoe said:Sorry, this life is all you've got to make that decision.
Hebrews 9:27(KJV)
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
If you do not choose God, He will give you your desire...eternity away from Him. He's not going to drag you kicking and screaming into Heaven against you will.
Hands Open said:This is lunacy! What have you got that is any different from those who follow islamic tradition? Or those who are mormon? Or those who are jeweish? Or jahovas witness? NOTHING! You preach and preach and yet have no better reasons than blind faith, the same as the others religions and yet have the audacity to tout that all those who disagree or use their minds will burn forever in hell? I think the only reason you belive what you belive is because you are in a christian country. If you lived in china you'd be buddist at best. Get off your high horse and live by the good things taught in the bible but NEVER tell someone that they are in danger of burning forever in a hell that you can't prove past the fact that you belive it because the book you believe in says it.
AvgJoe said:If you do not believe, then why are you so angry? Your anger speaks volumes.
Lucretius said:Even so, a moral God will condemn someone to hell for merely questioning existence while on Earth (because REAL evidence, something human beings crave, can never prove a god in any way but transcendentally). I mean, if I die and I see DIRECT proof of a God, but he already sends me to hell for not believing; what kind of moral God does that?
AvgJoe said:The following links explain it better than I can:
http://www.biblestudyplanet.com/q36.htm
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-grace/hell-and-god.html
Hands Open said:You are removed and calm yet you teach hell to everyone you meet.
Hands Open said:You are no better than those you damn. Now take the time to check the plank in your own eye.
Hands Open said:This is lunacy! What have you got that is any different from those who follow islamic tradition? Or those who are mormon? Or those who are jeweish? Or jahovas witness? NOTHING! You preach and preach and yet have no better reasons than blind faith, the same as the others religions and yet have the audacity to tout that all those who disagree or use their minds will burn forever in hell? I think the only reason you belive what you belive is because you are in a christian country. If you lived in china you'd be buddist at best. Get off your high horse and live by the good things taught in the bible but NEVER tell someone that they are in danger of burning forever in a hell that you can't prove past the fact that you belive it because the book you believe in says it.
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