Lucretius said:
Jesus is an unverifiable character who supposedly lived. The evidence of his existence is inconclusive, so I don't assume he even existed. Again, your talk about God being made flesh is pure belief. Not fact. You didn't even use reasoning when you stated those things. I am using reasoning to deduce the impossibility of a moral God when it comes to eternal punishment.
There is also some independent, non-biblical evidence of Jesus from the Roman historian Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, the Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor, the Jewish historian Josephus, Lucian of Samosata and from a collection of Jewish rabbinical writings, the Babylonian Talmud.
Lucretius said:
What makes you believe it is the word of God besides just that
your belief
which is essentially an emotion of desire for it to be the Word of God. Your view is overly simplistic and based on emotionalism not on fact that is indeed the word of God.
Your whole post is a circular one. We should believe what God supposedly says because a religious book says so. This book has no empircal basis and accepting it is done on pure fatih (belief without proof.)
I beg to differ. Lets take a look at some of the truthes of the Bible.
Man Made From Dirt
Genesis 2:7(KJV)
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
God named this man Adam. The Hebrew word Adam means "red dirt" or "ruddy" and rightfully so, because Adam was made from red clay.
Job 10:9(KJV)
Remember, I beseech thee, that thou hast made me as the clay; and wilt thou bring me into dust again?
So God created us out of the dust of the earth. A year 2000 (I think)
Newsweek magazine article titled, "
Life From Clay?," said the following:
"As if the Biblical tale of man's creation from "the dust of the ground" were haunting their unconscious minds, NASA chemists have presented evidence that life on earth may have gotten its start in clay." Says NASA's Lelia Coyne, "the ability of clays to store energy, catalyze reactions and perhaps self-replicate -- all attributes of living systems -- is forcing us to re-examine at a very fundamental level the definition of life."
Round Earth
God said, approximately 2,000 years before Christopher Columbus, before ships had ventured beyond the line of danger, before a satellite had ever captured a picture of the Earth, that the Earth is round.
Isaiah 40:21-22(KJV)
21) Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22) It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Things were different then. Prevailing wisdom was that the world was flat and if you ventured past the line of danger you would fall off the end of the earth.
Five hundred years ago Columbus penned a book titled
Libro de las Profecias which in English means
Book of Prophecies, and just in the 1990's has it become possible to consider its content in English. In Kay Bringham's book titled
Christopher ColumbusHis Life and Discovery in the Light of His Prophecies, the following quote from Columbus is noted:
"At this time I have seen and put in study to look into all the Scriptures, cosmography, histories, chronicles and philosophy and other arts, which our Lord opened to my understanding (I could sense His hand upon me), so that it became clear to me that it was feasible to navigate from here to the Indies; and He unlocked within me the determination to execute the idea. And I came to your Highnesses with this ardor. All those who heard about my enterprise rejected it with laughter, scoffing at me. Neither the sciences which I mentioned above, nor the authoritative citations from them, were of any avail. In only your Highnesses remained faith and constancy. Who doubts that this illumination was from the Holy Spirit? I attest that He (the Spirit), with marvelous rays of light, consoled me through the holy and sacred Scriptures...encouraging me to proceed, and, continually, without ceasing for a moment, they inflame me with a sense of great urgency....
I am the worst of sinners. The pity and mercy of our Lord have completely covered me whenever I have called (on Him) for them. I have found the sweetest consolation in casting away all my anxiety, so as to contemplate His marvelous presence.
I have already said that for the execution of the enterprise of the Indies, neither reason, nor mathematics, nor world maps were profitable to me; rather the prophecy of Isaiah was completely fulfilled."
Christopher Columbus said natural reason was not his inspiration...It was neither maps nor mathematics nor the encouragement of men but God's prophecies in the book of Isaiah and one of those prophecies is that God sits upon the circle of the earth.
Created Out Of Nothing
Thousands of years ago God said that He created the earth and the inhabitants thereof out of that which is invisible.
Romans 1:19-20(KJV)
19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shown it unto them.
20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Hebrews 11:3(KJV)
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Science is now coming to the conclusion that all things are actually created out of the invisible, which they call "nothing." In an article in Scientific American titled "The Inflationary Universe," the following statement was written:
From a historical point of view probably the most revolutionary aspect of the inflationary model is the notion that all matter and energy in the observable universe may have emerged from almost nothing.
The inflationary model of the universe provides a possible mechanism by which the observed universe could have evolved from an infinitesimal region. It is then tempting to go one step further and speculate that the entire universe evolved from literally nothing.
(Guth, Alan H., and Paul Steinhardt, "The Inflationary Universe," Scientific American, Vol. 250, May 1984)
Don't Eat Swine(Pig)
God calls the swine unclean.
Leviticus 11:7-8(KJV)
7) And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
8) Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
In the Old Testament an unclean person was one who had touched the dead, had a running issue, or oozing sore or was a menstrous woman, etc. The term "uncleanness" means one is in a contagious situation. Those contaminated were quarantined. The swine is called unclean, which means it is contagious and will bring harm to those who eat its flesh or touch its carcass.
Dr. David Macht of Johns Hopkins University reported on the toxicity levels of the flesh of animals and seagoing creatures. In Dr. Macht's research, all unclean creatures measured toxic with the pig ranking extremely toxic at about the same level as the rat and groundhog. In regard to the human body's metabolism, it is ill-equipped to handle unclean meats. Unclean meats digest in only three hours while clean meats that God commanded us to eat digest in up to 18 hours. (1953 Report, Dr. David Macht, Johns Hopkins Univ)
In a 1988 report, E. A. Widmer, Ph. D., professor and program director of environmental health, School of Public Health, Loma Linda University, had this to say in the following excerpt:
Pork consumption in now associated with coronary heart disease, cancer and certain communicable diseases. Pigs are noteworthy as hosts for the intestinal trichina roundworm, trichinella spiralis, which causes the disease trichinosis, a disease with symptoms that doctors often attribute to intestinal flu, pneumonia, or rheumatism.
(1998, E. A. Widmer, pH D., professor and program director of environmental health, School of Public Health, Loma Linda Univ., "Flesh of Swine: Scientific Evidence Supports The Biblical Prohibition.") Note: I'm not sure which date is correct, 1988 or 1998.
God's Word is our owner's manual. The supernatural instructions were given in the very beginning of time, thousands of years ago, long before their phenomenal wisdom was discovered by modern science. Only the wise Designer-Creator could ever have known the benefits of his dietary commandments. Just one more proof that God is and that he is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him. (Hebrews 11:6)
DNA, God's Holy Book
Imagine, thousands of years before science discovers something, the God who created it, described it in His Word. DNA has its general description recorded in Psalms 139:14-17(KJV):
14) I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15) My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16) Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
17) How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!
Your DNA molecule is a 3.3 billion-letter book, equivalent to 900 Bibles. God's word states, "...and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them." Every phenomenal instruction for the construction of your body, starting from a single invisible fertilized egg, is recorded in the DNA strand and that's before any of your body's members existed. They were all recorded in God's book.
Hung Upon Nothing
God said, approximately 5,000 years ago, long before geography, long before Christopher Columbus, long before aviation and space shots, that the world is hung in the middle of space upon nothing. Today you might shrug your shoulders and say, "Who didn't know that?" The answer to that question is the whole world didn't know. The Bible records in Job 26:7(KJV):
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
God's Word declares that the earth is floating in space.
Before Christopher Columbus proved the world to be round, the prevailing wisdom of the day was that the world was flat. A few other voices in the wilderness had suggested the earth's roundness, but it was Columbus who established it. Ancient civilizations, besides being ignorant of the earth's shape, also claimed something or someone was holding it up. The Greeks said that Atlas was forced, as a form of punishment, to carry the earth, the heavens and the great pillar that separates them on his shoulders. India claimed that the earth was held up by four elephants that stood on the back of a giant turtle which in turn was balanced on a cobra snake. In ancient Siberia it was taught that the earth rests on a dogsled driven by a god. Unfortunately the dog had fleas. When the dog stopped to scratch the result was an earthquake. According to West African antiquities the earth is a flat disc. One side of the disc rests on a mountain and the other side is held up by a giant. Mongolia said the gods who made the earth set it on the back of a huge frog. One final example is ancient Central America's account of the square earth. Four gods were reported to hold up the earth...one at each corner.
Long before any man knew, God declared the secret in His Word.
Look into these truthes of the Bible, that were written 1,000s of years before man discovered them. This is just a sampling of the proven truthes of the Bible. There are many more.
. Every person has fallen short of that standard (because we are human). God is a just God because he is perfect. So, if not for His mercy which we receive when we accept Jesus, God would be just in condemning us. That's where the notion of God being the potter and Christians the clay. He is God. He can do anything He wants, but He chooses to love us. That's one of the great things about God he is so merciful....compassionate...slow to anger. He didn't come to the world to condemn, but to redeem...aahh.... shouldn't have got me started ::tsk tsk:: 
