Heaven

[Sammy-San]

I'm unacquainted with the 924 Jeremiah site. Yes, I think God is timeless, outside of time. I believe the Bible states this. I have often wondered (this might be flaky, so bear with me) if in Heaven in our glorified bodies, we might be able to go through time- time travel, see the dinosaurs, maybe even see the beginning of the world. I don't know what the rewards in Heaven are, but maybe people who were faithful Christians will get to go back in time and see the world being spoken into existence (I am not insinuating I would be one of the ones given such a reward- I'm just speculating what might be).

Do you think the past is infinite though? I've read somewhere that it is logically impossible.

 

[Galatea]

Do you think the past is infinite though? I've read somewhere that it is logically impossible.

Why would it be logically impossible?

 

[Sammy-San]

Why would it be logically impossible?

I've heard its impossible due to the law of infinite regress.

 

[Sammy-San]

Heaven is mind boggling. I heard someone say that they can understand why there's a Hell- but what is truly mind boggling is why there's a Heaven!

I don't understand what you mean by a wall being past Heaven.

Like if Heaven's not infinite, what is beyond heaven's frontier?

 

[Galatea]

I've heard its impossible due to the law of infinite regress.

What is the law of infinite regress?

I would think if there was no time, both future and past would be infinite. A dimension outside this world, where there is no time.

 

[Galatea]

Like if Heaven's not infinite, what is beyond heaven's frontier?

I would think Heaven is infinite and in a different dimension altogether. I wouldn't think there is anything beyond Heaven. But, I don't know that Heaven is one place but made up of many places, multiple universes, with all sorts of created intelligences that we don't even know about.

 

[Sammy-San]

What is the law of infinite regress?

I would think if there was no time, both future and past would be infinite. A dimension outside this world, where there is no time.

What do you think of what this guy wrote? http://kgov.com/is-God-outside-of-time

Time is a Prerequisite of Creation: Many have been told that time was created by God, and that it is not an aspect of His existence. Please consider though that time cannot be created. Why not? Because creation means going from non-existence to existence, which itself is a sequence, a before and after. And any before and after sequence requires time. Time therefore is a precondition of creating. Thus time itself cannot be created. So just as Scripture describes God's creation of matter and space, light and life, but not of time, even the secular BBC begins their Before the Big Bang program acknowledging that the notion of time coming into existence "may be a logical contradiction." The scientific fad, with its ubiquitous acceptance, of claiming that time came into existence with the big bang, could effortlessly disappear if not needed by the next fad, the multiverse. For although the statement that "time came into existence" launched a million words in its defense, men have no way of even thinking about the notion, for in a deep sense it is meaningless. (Similarly, men have no way of even thinking about the evolutionary notion of how a merely physical system could give rise to a biological information systems. So in both the alleged materialist evolution of information, and in the claim that time came into existence, meaninglessness reveals itself through this inability even to think about such things.)

 

[Galatea]

What do you think of what this guy wrote? http://kgov.com/is-God-outside-of-time

I have to be completely honest. I didn't understand a lot of what he wrote. I don't see the distinction between God being outside time and being everlasting. If He is not outside time, then where did time originate?

I agree with him that Jesus was not the Son of Man until the incarnation. That's logical. I don't know that God being outside time means He is in a forever "now" with everything always happening- as in Christ still being crucified, etc. I think of God being outside of time as not having a beginning or an end.

Sure, there's a before and after sequence, but doesn't it make sense that God created time, then the big bang?

 

[Sammy-San]

I would think Heaven is infinite and in a different dimension altogether. I wouldn't think there is anything beyond Heaven. But, I don't know that Heaven is one place but made up of many places, multiple universes, with all sorts of created intelligences that we don't even know about.

What do you mean by that? Are you referring to angels, or God having other projects outside of earth and heaven?

 

[Galatea]

What do you mean by that? Are you referring to angels, or God having other projects outside of earth and heaven?

Not just angels, all kinds of beings. This might be flaky, but this is my reasoning: if man who is like God, a creator with a little 'c' and has come up with imaginary creatures like fairies, mermaids, leprechauns, centaurs, etc- then God, who is the Creator with the big 'C' and whose imagination is exponentially greater than ours, wouldn't it follow that there are many things created that we know nothing about? A poster on this thread mentioned something about creatures we can't even conceive. Also, I don't know that God doesn't have other projects and worlds underway. I think maybe we'll be able to visit them, or some of us will.

I'm not trying to be pious when I say the following: I think we have it all wrong about the rewards in Heaven. It may be more like some people who were better Christians will get to have more experiences than those of us who are not as close to God as we should be. I honestly don't think rewards will be gold and jewels. After all, gold is the pavement of Heaven and jewels are the bricks, so those things are common.

 

[Sammy-San]

Not just angels, all kinds of beings. This might be flaky, but this is my reasoning: if man who is like God, a creator with a little 'c' and has come up with imaginary creatures like fairies, mermaids, leprechauns, centaurs, etc- then God, who is the Creator with the big 'C' and whose imagination is exponentially greater than ours, wouldn't it follow that there are many things created that we know nothing about? A poster on this thread mentioned something about creatures we can't even conceive. Also, I don't know that God doesn't have other projects and worlds underway. I think maybe we'll be able to visit them, or some of us will.

I'm not trying to be pious when I say the following: I think we have it all wrong about the rewards in Heaven. It may be more like some people who were better Christians will get to have more experiences than those of us who are not as close to God as we should be. I honestly don't think rewards will be gold and jewels. After all, gold is the pavement of Heaven and jewels are the bricks, so those things are common.

Are you referring to other types of heavenly beings? The term angel refers to heavenly beings, not just the conventional depiction of what people think an angel is.

 

[Galatea]

Are you referring to other types of heavenly beings? The term angel refers to heavenly beings, not just the conventional depiction of what people think an angel is.

Not just angels, cherubim, and seraphim. I am thinking about creatures we know nothing about. Angel just means "messenger" anyway.

 

[Sammy-San]

Not just angels, cherubim, and seraphim. I am thinking about creatures we know nothing about. Angel just means "messenger" anyway.

Have you ever read Dean Braxton's book?

 

[Dwells]

I believe that God's heavenly Kingdom comes down to earth, as witnessed by Jesus when He prayed, "Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven".
Heaven becomes more of a reality when we cooperate with God's plan, this is God working through His creation.
The New Jerusalem is the geographical connection point of the new heaven and the new earth as realized in the Kingdom of God.
If we trust the book of revelation, the final resting place is not heaven or even the new heaven, it is the new Jerusalem.
The bible tells us that when we die, we don't go to heaven, we go to the grave, it is only after resurrection and judgement that the sheep go to the place prepared for them by God, before their birth, the goats go into the outer darkness.
Redemption is more restorative than something starting from scratch, so it makes sense that we will also be raised bodily and require a place where the body can live....the new earth.

 

[Dwells]

As far as streets being paved with gold, to me this is just a metaphor that demonstrates that gold will no longer hold the same kind of value that we have given it while in this world.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

There's nothing in all Scripture, in YHWH, in Y'SHUA, in eternity, in the history of the universe, in anything,
to suggest the streets of pure transparent gold are a metaphor.
Everything points to them being completely and totally and fully REAL !

 

[Dwells]

There's nothing in all Scripture, in YHWH, in Y'SHUA, in eternity, in the history of the universe, in anything,
to suggest the streets of pure transparent gold are a metaphor.
Everything points to them being completely and totally and fully REAL !

Why would God want to entice us with earthly values unless it was to only demonstrate that what we see as important in this world will lose it's value in heaven.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Who is enticed ?
(all religious / religions/ men of the flesh, carnal, "normal" )

Why would God want to entice us with earthly values unless it was to only demonstrate that what we see as important in this world will lose it's value in heaven.

YHWH TELLS THE TRUTH. HE is not a man that HE could lie.

THE TRUTH is worth MORE than all the gold in the world, much much more, and the TRUTH is what sets us free. (not the gold)

 

[Sammy-San]

I would think Heaven is infinite and in a different dimension altogether. I wouldn't think there is anything beyond Heaven. But, I don't know that Heaven is one place but made up of many places, multiple universes, with all sorts of created intelligences that we don't even know about.

Is infinity physically possible?

Also, what do you think of this article? Will There Be Snow In Heaven?

 

[Galatea]

Is infinity physically possible?

Also, what do you think of this article? Will There Be Snow In Heaven?

Nothing is impossible with God.
He is not bound by the laws of physics, since He created them. The physical laws we know here on Earth may not have any bearing at all on Heaven. I would be surprised if they did apply to Heaven.

I read the article. I think there might be snow in Heaven- but a different kind. The kind that won't be so cold to cause injury or harm. I don't know what God has prepared for us, but I would like to think of people and children who never got to experience seeing snow and playing in snow getting to do so in Heaven.