Heaven

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I feel rather chagrined about making a thread speculating about Hell, especially since it is not our final destination. It's a bit like wondering about a country you don't intend to visit. I'd rather talk about Heaven and some of the things we hope we'll get to do or see.

Heaven is only a temporary place for believers. The end destination or final place for believers is the New Earth (See Revelation 21). The city of New Jerusalem will come down from out of Heaven and land on the New Earth. It is so large that it would fill a good portion of the United States (with the city overlapping it a bit).


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We all sin, again and again. There is no such thing as sinless perfection on this side of eternity. One of the things I look forward to is being my whole self, without sin and knowing my loved ones as their whole selves, without sin. Having perfect communion with them, and everyone.

List of Verses For Sinless Perfectionism (a.k.a. Entire Sanctification) in Scripture:

1. The 144,000 are found without fault before the throne of God. For John says, “And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.” (Revelation 14:3-5).
   
   
2. Enoch was translated and did not see death because he walked with the LORD and pleased GOD. For the author of Hebrews says, “By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.” (Hebrews 11:5); And Moses had written in the Torah, “And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.” (Genesis 5:24).
   
   
3. Jesus says, “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.” (Matthew 5:48).
   
   
4. GOD says, “Be ye holy as I am holy” (1 Peter 1:16 cf. Leviticus 11:45).
   
   
5. Jesus said to two people to, "sin no more." (John 5:14) (John 8:11). In fact, Jesus said to the man that Jesus healed that if he were to sin again, a worse thing would come upon him. For Jesus said, “sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.” (John 5:14).
   
   
6. Jesus says, “If you want to be perfect sell your possessions and give them to the poor” (Matthew 19:21).
   
   
7. We are told in Scripture that he [i.e. anyone] that has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin. For Peter says, “Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;” (1 Peter 4:1).
   
   
8. Paul says, “And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.” (Galatians 5:24).
   
   
9. James says, “If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.” (James 3:2).
   
   
10. Paul says, “There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.” (1 Corinthians 10:13).
    
    
11. David says, “Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.” (Psalms 119:11).
    
    
12. Paul says, “Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him” (Romans 6:6-8).
    
    
13. Paul says, “Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.” (Romans 6:12). John says, “sin not.” (1 John 2:1).
    
    
14. Paul says, “For sin shall not have dominion over you.” (Romans 6:14).
    
    
15. Paul says, “Don't you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living.” (Romans NLT). Jesus says, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. (John 8:34). John says he that sins is of the devil (1 John 1:8).
    
    
16. Paul says, “You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.” (Romans 6:18 NIV).
    
    
17. Paul says, “For when you were slaves of sin, you were free from righteousness.” (Romans 6:20 BLB). Paul also says, “But now that you have been freed from sin and have become God's slaves, the benefit you reap is sanctification, and the result is eternal life.” (Romans 6:22 ISV).
    
    
18. Peter says, “there are false prophets... who cannot cease from sin.” (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:14). This is similar to those who are lovers of pleasure more than they are lovers of GOD (1 Timothy 3:1-9). For he that says he knows him and does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in Him (1 John 2:4).
    
    
19. Jesus says, “Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.” (Matthew 26:41). What is the point of watching and praying so as not to be led into temptation if you are going to inevitably sin again?
    
    
20. Paul says “Be ye angry, and sin not:” (Ephesians 4:26).
    
    
21. John says, “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:9-10)
    
    
22. John says,“For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.” (1 John 5:4). John also says, “For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.” (1 John 2:16). For John says, “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.” (1 John 2:15).
    
    
23. Paul says, “Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.” (1 Corinthians 15:34).
    
    
24. The author of Hebrews says, “Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen” (Hebrews 13:20-21).
    
    
25. John says, “We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness” (1 John 5:18-19).
    
    
26. Sinless Perfectionism is the goal for a believer’s life. For Paul says, “Not that I have already obtained it [this goal of being Christlike] or have already been made perfect, but I actively press on so that I may take hold of that [perfection] for which Christ Jesus took hold of me and made me His own.” (Philippians 3:12 AMP).
    
    
27. Jesus says, “The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.” (Luke 6:40).
    
    
28. Paul says, “Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.” (Colossians 4:12).
    
    
29. Paul says, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
    
    
30. James says, “But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.” (James 1:4). James also says, ““Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” (James 2:22).
    
    
31. Jesus says, ““Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.” (Revelation 3:2).
    
    
32. Paul says, “Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” (2 Corinthians 7:1).
    
    
33. Paul says, “I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,” (Ephesians 4:1).
    
    
34. Paul says, “For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;” (1 Thessalonians 4:3-4). Paul also says, “For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.” (1 Thessalonians 4:7).
    
    
35. Zacharias says, “That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.” (Luke 1:74-75).
    
    
36. Paul says, “And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;” (Colossians 1:20-23).
    
    
37. Paul says, “And may the Lord make you increase and abound in love for one another and for all men, even as we do for you. To this end may He establish your hearts to be blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.” (1 Thessalonians 3:12-13 MEV).
    
    
38. Paul says,“Men, brothers, I have conducted-myself with all good conscience before God up to this day” (Acts 23:1 DLNT)
    
    
39. Paul says, “This work must continue until we are all joined together in the same faith [or all reach unity in the faith] and in the same knowledge of the Son of God. We must become like a mature person [or the perfect Man; Christ], growing until we become like Christ and have his perfection [ to the measure of the stature of Christ’s fullness ].” (Ephesians 4:13 EXB).
    
    
40. Paul says, “It is he whom we proclaim, admonishing everyone and teaching everyone with all wisdom, that we may present everyone perfect in Christ” (Colossians 1:28 NABRE).
    
    
41. Paul says, “For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.” (2 Corinthians 11:2).
    
    
42. Paul says, “In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ” (Colossians 2:11).
    
    
43. Paul says, “And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Thessalonians 5:23).
    
    
44. The author Hebrews says, “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord” (Hebrews 12:14).
    
    
45. Paul says, “Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish” (Ephesians 5:25-27). Jesus says, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.” (John 17:17-19). For Jesus says, “Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you” (John 15:3).
    
    
46. John says, “For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” (1 John 3:8).
    
    
47. Paul says, “But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:” (2 Thessalonians 2:13).
    
    
48. Jesus says, “So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 22:10-13). A Multitude of People in Heaven says, “Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.(Revelation 19:7-8). Note: the fine linen that represents the righteousness of the saints is the same wedding garment that the man at the wedding did not have on.
    
    
49. Paul says, “That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world.” (Philippians 2:15).
    
    
50. John says, “But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.” (1 John 2:5).

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[Sammy-San]

Of course not. No one is born with demons dwelling within them.

To say the Lake of Fire is a physical place is presumption. The Lake of Fire was never intended for humanity, but for fallen angels. It is true that after the White Throne Judgment, people will be resurrected, but the we don't know what the body of the second death will be, especially since in that body the worm will never die and the fire will never be quenched.

Was that the purpose of the enemy tempting Adam and Eve? So that they would be judged alongside him?

 

[Sammy-San]

Heaven is only a temporary place for believers. The end destination or final place for believers is the New Earth (See Revelation 21). The city of New Jerusalem will come down from out of Heaven and land on the New Earth. It is so large that it would fill a good portion of the United States (with the city overlapping it a bit).


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Is it wrong to say earth will become heaven or a certain level of Heaven?

 

[AlexDTX]

Was that the purpose of the enemy tempting Adam and Eve? So that they would be judged alongside him?

No. Lucifer is deluded. He believes he can replace God through mankind. He wants to be like the most high, but that is impossible for him.

 

[Sammy-San]

No. Lucifer is deluded. He believes he can replace God through mankind. He wants to be like the most high, but that is impossible for him.

Why Does Satan Hates Humanity So Much?

Since he can’t go back to heaven in order to take revenge against God Almighty who kicked him out of heaven; Satan in his arrogance, pride, and full hatred toward God wants to unleash his evil sentiments toward someone. As a result, he has embraced an approach to bring destruction to anything deemed valuable to God.

The second one is that God has granted us an unmerited privilege that the enemy doesn’t have. We have such a mind-blowing opportunity to go to heaven and be with our Maker forever through Christ by escaping his control.

 

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Is it wrong to say earth will become heaven or a certain level of Heaven?

The New Earth is not Heaven. It is the final place or destination for all believers. Read Revelation 21.


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[Sammy-San]

The New Earth is not Heaven. It is the final place or destination for all believers. Read Revelation 21.


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Isn't God's throne here? So its heaven on earth?

 

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Isn't God's throne here? So its heaven on earth?

The Bible says there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth. New Jerusalem is a city that comes down out of the Old Heaven and lands on the New Earth. This is not the entirety of the Old Heaven that lands on the New Earth. It is just the one city from the Old Heaven that lands on the New Earth.

As for the Lord's throne: God's throne will more than likely be in the city of New Jerusalem on the New Earth.


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[Sammy-San]

The Bible says there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth. New Jerusalem is a city that comes down out of the Old Heaven and lands on the New Earth. This is not the entirety of the Old Heaven that lands on the New Earth. It is just the one city from the Old Heaven that lands on the New Earth. The Lord will be the light and the temple within the New Earth. God's throne will more than likely be in the city of New Jerusalem on the New Earth.


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What about other planets? What do you think of the speculation they will be accessible?

 

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What about other planets? What do you think of the speculation they will be accessible?

The Bible makes no mention of other planets or sentient life on other planets.


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[AlexDTX]

Why Does Satan Hates Humanity So Much?

He doesn't hate humanity as much as he hates not being God. And since God made us in his image, we are an easier target to attack. He knows he can not attack God, but he can hold His children ransom.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Play chess with Einstein while sharing some tasty ale and jokes. Travel in a second to the Crab nebula. Talk with family and loved ones again face to face. Eat some real angel food cake. Dance on some clouds at sun rise. Ask Noah how bad it smelled on the boat. Ask Moses what manna tastes like and if he saved any in his robes for me to try. Give Adam and Eve a hug. Find out who made the first beer, I mean that guy and share some of his with him if we both are there. Find out if someone is out there and go visit them.

 

[Sammy-San]

He doesn't hate humanity as much as he hates not being God. And since God made us in his image, we are an easier target to attack. He knows he can not attack God, but he can hold His children ransom.

Video: A fallen angel named Anaina laments leaving heaven

A lot of people online and in books say that the enemy and other fallen angelic beings are jealous of the fact Christ died to save us and not him. Does that make sense? Either way it doesnt matter and wouldnt affect our view on him and God. It is just speculative theology. To me what goes on in the occult is not just talking people from God-its trying to be like God.

 

[AlexDTX]

Video: A fallen angel named Anaina laments leaving heaven

A lot of people online and in books say that the enemy and other fallen angelic beings are jealous of the fact Christ died to save us and not him. Does that make sense? Either way it doesnt matter and wouldnt affect our view on him and God. It is just speculative theology. To me what goes on in the occult is not just talking people from God-its trying to be like God.

We know that Lucifer fell and became Satan at the latest in the garden of Eden since he brought about the fall of mankind. Since he caused the fall of mankind it doesn't make sense that he'd be jealous of our salvation. Frankly, I don't think they can be saved. If God could save them I think he would. My own speculation is that their being only spirits made their fall total. Whereas humanity being made in the image of God is tripartate so our fall in the had the work-ability of salvation since we are three parts not one part.

 

[Sammy-San]

We know that Lucifer fell and became Satan at the latest in the garden of Eden since he brought about the fall of mankind. Since he caused the fall of mankind it doesn't make sense that he'd be jealous of our salvation. Frankly, I don't think they can be saved. If God could save them I think he would. My own speculation is that their being only spirits made their fall total. Whereas humanity being made in the image of God is tripartate so our fall in the had the work-ability of salvation since we are three parts not one part.

Were Angels Created in the Image of God?

 

[AlexDTX]

Were Angels Created in the Image of God?

The Bible does not say so, although they are able to assume human form as seen in Genesis 18 when the Lord with angels came to warn Abram and Sarai of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the men of Sodom wanted to rape the male angel that came to remove Lot and his family from the destruction. They are clearly intelligent and can communicate with people. But they are only called spirits, and not said to be in the image of God. That is the honor of the children, that is us.

 

[Sammy-San]

The Bible does not say so, although they are able to assume human form as seen in Genesis 18 when the Lord with angels came to warn Abram and Sarai of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the men of Sodom wanted to rape the male angel that came to remove Lot and his family from the destruction. They are clearly intelligent and can communicate with people. But they are only called spirits, and not said to be in the image of God. That is the honor of the children, that is us.

Does Image of God mean shape, personality, way we think?

 

[Sammy-San]

We know that Lucifer fell and became Satan at the latest in the garden of Eden since he brought about the fall of mankind. Since he caused the fall of mankind it doesn't make sense that he'd be jealous of our salvation. Frankly, I don't think they can be saved. If God could save them I think he would. My own speculation is that their being only spirits made their fall total. Whereas humanity being made in the image of God is tripartate so our fall in the had the work-ability of salvation since we are three parts not one part.

Do you think the video wasnt true? People say they lie so dont watch it and it doesnt matter.


That angels cant have regret like people do?

 

[AlexDTX]

Does Image of God mean shape, personality, way we think?

That is not something I can answer. Some say our spirits are what makes us in his image, but I think that is too simple. If essence can be used as a way of describing it, I think our essence is the same as his, but this, too, says very little.