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Good.... this is in line with all Scripture.But I do believe that God reveals bits and bits of himself to each of his children as they grow in their relationship with him so when Christians come together and fellowship in his name a presence then they learn and benefit from one another...( 1 Corinthians 12:8 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.)
Gal 5:16-24 says,"But I say, walk by the Spirit, and do not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh; for these are opposed to each other, to prevent you from doing what you would. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are plain: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, 21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."I'm not trying to say sin doesn't matter. But there are too many people posting in Christian Advice and elsewhere who are spending their lives trying to stop masturbating, and going into a downward spiral, when they ought to be focusing on Jesus and bringing his love to others. Jesus cared about things that truly hurt others, but not about the quest for an impossible personal purity.
I am posting blind as I do not have time to read 9 pages of responses.
First off - the question itself betrays a mindset incompatible with salvation. Salvation is a covenant, like marriage.
What if you asked your future wife or husband what is the absolute barebones minimum requirement to stay married to you?
Put another way, how much shenanigans can I get away with, how bad do I have to hurt you, before you will divorce me. (or refuse to marry me in the first place)
First off - it is not Paul's gospel. The entire gospel that Paul preached is found in the OT. So it predated him by a thousand years.I was curious as to how much people here would add to Paul’s Gospel....1Cor 15
Paul's Gospel.? No, it's God's/Jesus's gospel. Paul's gospel may be wrong.You misunderstood my intentions when I started this thread—-MY fault not yours— I was curious as to how much people here would add to Paul’s Gospel....1Cor 15
.Mat 19 is an interesting text. How seriously do we take it? If taken at face value, eternal life depends upon obeying the 10 commandments, but Jesus offers something more. Few Christian interpreters take it that way.
Note that in the passage quoted from Gal, behavior is seen as fruit of the Spirit. My concern is that people are being pushed into impossible battles for perfection in a legal manner.
Both in vs 18 of this passage and in 1 Cor 6:12 (following the other sin list in Paul), Paul tries to guard against turning this into an end in itself. It's one thing to say that those who are in Christ won't do these things, but quite another to set up moral perfection as a goal and asking for Christ's help in achieving it.
The question is what's the goal and what's the means. The goal for Paul is to be in Christ, and show his love to others. That is going to show in behavior in the ways outlined in this passage. But it's too easy to turn that around and make moral achievement the major goal.
First off - it is not Paul's gospel. The entire gospel that Paul preached is found in the OT. So it predated him by a thousand years.
Second - the issue of adding requirements to the gospel for salvation is a misunderstanding of scripture. 90% of both OT and NT instruction is how to live AFTER salvation, not before.
That's not completely true.Salvation is a gift obtainable only by faith in the Shed Blood of Christ— plus nothing.
That's not completely true.
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43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”
53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh AND drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
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MATTHEW.4:4 = 4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’”
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JOHN.1: = 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ...
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
.Salvation is a gift obtainable only by faith in the Shed Blood of Christ— plus nothing.
Are you saying one is lost if they have not undertaken Communion?
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I am saying that the Holy Communion requires Christians to eat the bread(= flesh of Christ) PLUS drink the wine(= blood of Christ).
One may be lost if he/she does not eat the bread of life or flesh of Christ or live by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God.
1COR.5: = 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Bare bones---nothing but total heart commitment.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
.How would that match up with the Gospel thAt Paul said would save if believed....did he forget to mention that stuff in 1 cor 15 ?
.mmksparbud said:Bare bones---nothing but total heart commitment.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Are you saying that you lack in your love for God and for your neighbours/friends.?As much as I would love to,I fall way short on both counts....how about you? Makes me see I need tons of Grace and a loving Savior! I found both!
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Whatever Paul mentioned should match up with God's/Christ's gospel, not the other way round.
Paul was only appointed as the apostle to the Gentiles, as a replacement for Judas Iscariot, after the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Paul was not the only apostle of Christ. In fact, Paul likely never heard from Jesus Christ in the flesh, unlike the other 11 apostles and 108 disciples of Christ who spent about 3 years with Christ.
Which apostle did Jesus Christ love the most.?
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Are you saying that you lack in your love for God and for your neighbours/friends.?
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