Happy Hanukkah

[gurneyhalleck1]

Si vamos discutir las cosas de religion en varias lenguas, me gusta contribuir en espanol. Me daria mucho gusto hablar en espanol mientras que nuestro hermano en cristo Rusmeister discute en la lengua de rusia. Y si cada persona habla una lengua diferente, podemos hacer un disastre!

 

[rusmeister]

Si vamos discutir las cosas de religion en varias lenguas, me gusta contribuir en espanol. Me daria mucho gusto hablar en espanol mientras que nuestro hermano en cristo Rusmeister discute en la lengua de rusia. Y si cada persona habla una lengua diferente, podemos hacer un disastre!

Yo tambien estabo un profesor in California, tenevo muchos estudiantes mexicanos. Entonces, tenevo aprender espanol, e me gustava mucho. Pero, no hay alguna con quien puedo practicar, i oblio poco da poco mi espanol.

 

[rusmeister]

So why write to me at all then?

You are saying things ostensibly as an Orthodox Christian, on an Orthodox board, in English. If you DIDN'T know English, I would respect you as a foreigner, but you DO; you simply refuse to use it, choosing Jewish forms that we do NOT use in this culture, in this language. THAT's what is rude about it. I left it alone as long as you didn't invite us to celebrate Jewish holidays; "Happy Hannukah" tore it.

 

[GregConstantine]

Modern Judaism is emphatically not the same "Judaism" of the time of Christ and not the same faith Christ praticed.
True Judaism is Orthodoxy!
So, yes, there is a continuation, but not of modern Rabbinic Judaism which was set up in opposition to Orthodoxy, but a continuation and fulfillment of the faith of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.

As to the language issue. Of course, those who are of a Jewish background who are Orthodox and speak Hebrew as their native every day language can certainly say Yeshua instead of Jesus, or Adonai instead of Lord. But that is not the case here, we speak English, as most of the posters here are from anglophonic countries. There is nothing wrong with the anglicized forms of the original Hebrew terms and names. In my experience, people that I knew who prefered to use the Hebrew names and terms did so because they thought that the Hebrew terms and names were somehow more superior over the English forms. That is foolishness and shows a lack of knowledge about how languages form and change over the course of the centuries. The Hebrew that Abraham spoke (if that was even Hebrew) is nothing like the modern Hebrew spoken in Israel nor like the liturgical Hebrew used in the synagogue.
So, please wish us a happy feast on the feast day of the Maccabbean martyrs, but not a happy Hannakah
Thank you!

 

[inconsequential]

Just out of curiosity, is there an Orthodox position on the miracle that inspired Hanukkah?

 

[GregConstantine]

"Just out of curiosity, is there an Orthodox position on the miracle that inspired Hanukkah?"

Yes, read in the synaxarion about the lives of the Maccabean martyrs.

 

[GregConstantine]

Troparion — Tone 7

Let us praise the seven Maccabees, / with their mother Salome and their teacher Eleazar; / they were splendid in lawful contest / as guardians of the teachings of the Law. / Now as Christ’s holy martyrs they ceaselessly intercede for the world.
Kontakion — Tone 2

Seven pillars of the Wisdom of God / and seven lampstands of the divine Light, / all-wise Maccabees, greatest of the martyrs before the time of the martyrs, / with them ask the God of all to save those who honor you.

 

[ArmyMatt]

You are saying things ostensibly as an Orthodox Christian, on an Orthodox board, in English. If you DIDN'T know English, I would respect you as a foreigner, but you DO; you simply refuse to use it, choosing Jewish forms that we do NOT use in this culture, in this language. THAT's what is rude about it. I left it alone as long as you didn't invite us to celebrate Jewish holidays; "Happy Hannukah" tore it.

yeah, it would be like if I started talking about being Ortodox Isawi, which is how the Pashtuns in Afghanistan call Orthodox Christians. so while that is a legit term for us Orthodox, since the common vernacular on here is English, we should prolly just stick with English.

 

[Chesterton]

YES HDTV - Chassidic commercial - YouTube

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You are saying things ostensibly as an Orthodox Christian, on an Orthodox board, in English. If you DIDN'T know English, I would respect you as a foreigner, but you DO; you simply refuse to use it, choosing Jewish forms that we do NOT use in this culture, in this language. THAT's what is rude about it. I left it alone as long as you didn't invite us to celebrate Jewish holidays; "Happy Hannukah" tore it.

When did I say, RUS, I invite you to celebrate Hanukkah? BTW, I do understand Russian as well as Spanish.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

yeah, it would be like if I started talking about being Ortodox Isawi, which is how the Pashtuns in Afghanistan call Orthodox Christians. so while that is a legit term for us Orthodox, since the common vernacular on here is English, we should prolly just stick with English.

From Isa...Arabic Jesus?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Modern Judaism is emphatically not the same "Judaism" of the time of Christ and not the same faith Christ praticed.
True Judaism is Orthodoxy!
So, yes, there is a continuation, but not of modern Rabbinic Judaism which was set up in opposition to Orthodoxy, but a continuation and fulfillment of the faith of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.

Modern Orthodoxy is not either...it has evolved over time (more in its traditions than actual beliefs). Modern Rabbinic Judaism was instituted directly because there was no longer a Temple. Jewish Christians were a sect WITHIN Judaism from 30 AD to between 70 and 135 AD. there were these same problems even in Paul's day! Romans 11. Your type of love for Jews, even your Jewish brethren, will not "provoke them to jealousy", but provoke them to run from you.

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

 

[GregConstantine]

"Modern Orthodoxy is not either...it has evolved over time (more in its traditions than actual beliefs)."

You show your true colors YeshuaHaDerekh!

You are so wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to begin!

 

[Anhelyna]

OH FOR PITY'S SAKE​

Guys - we are now all in the Nativity Fast

Can we stop all this please ?

A bit of sensitivity to other peoples' beliefs and traditions [ and Traditions too ] won't go amiss now.

 

[ArmyMatt]

From Isa...Arabic Jesus?

yep, but since not everyone would know that since this is an English forum, I just use English. good snag though

 

[GregConstantine]

@Anhelyna,

Speaking the truth in love and correcting our bretheren is an act of mercy, it is not being "mean" to each other.

Now a couple of people did have a spat at each other a few comments back, but that's long over with.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Me parece que hay una persona en este foro que quiere infundir el judaismo en nuestro religion de ortodoxia a pesar de que nunca ha sido un parte del religion hasta los 2,000 anos.

Rus, siempre estoy impresionado con su habilidad hablar muchas idiomas. Ademas de saber muchas cosas de filosofia y Chesterton, sus habilidades aprender lenguas me fascina.

Yo tambien estabo un profesor in California, tenevo muchos estudiantes mexicanos. Entonces, tenevo aprender espanol, e me gustava mucho. Pero, no hay alguna con quien puedo practicar, i oblio poco da poco mi espanol.

 

[Anhelyna]

I am well aware of that ,

and I hope that the spat is indeed over.

However there is nothing wrong with a reminder that we are all fasting [ or should be by now ] and the evil one seems to set us against each other at every fast period

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I think the evil one has better things to do that get people to argue about Hanukkah, Anhelyna!

Yesh is doing some Judaizing in this forum. It's not ok. And he is refusing to listen to his Orthodox brethren and learn from them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with us addressing this issue and him learning from it. It's not a spat, it's a discussion. It's not inspired by Old Nick, just an admonishment that is justifiably needed.

I am well aware of that ,

and I hope that the spat is indeed over.

However there is nothing wrong with a reminder that we are all fasting [ or should be by now ] and the evil one seems to set us against each other at every fast period

 

[rusmeister]

I wonder if it was a fast day when St Nicholas punched Arius in the nose? (OK, struck him somehow)

I agree, Anhelyna. I think it's Judaizing. And we have a consensus of respondees that agree.
Insisting on using foreign languages with English speakers is rude in itself; wishing everyone on an Orthodox board a Happy Hannukah is over the top. I think an apology is called for.