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You said: "there is only one who has ever been resurrected from the dead, and His name is Jesus." That is not true. Jesus was the first to be resurrected on the earth but not the only one:
(New Testament | Matthew 27:52 - 53)
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
You have forgotten those that were resurrected at the time that Jesus was resurrected.
Matthew 27:52-53 King James Version (KJV)
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose.
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
We know based on elsewhere in Scripture that this is not resurrection--i.e. the full and total renewal, glorification, and transformation of the body from mortal to immortal, et al--as we read in 1 Corinthians 15 that Christ is the firstfruits of those being raised. And so the resurrection of the dead is in this order: Christ the firstfruits, and then those who are Christ's at His Parousia.
There are plenty of examples in Scripture of people coming back from the dead, for example Lazarus, or the little girl whom Christ spoke "talitha koum" to.
There is a difference between coming back from the dead back into mortal existence, and the resurrection of the body.
However, she existed before the world was made.
Only God is before all ages.
I do appeal to the absolute power of God. You argue his absolute power every day. And your pink unicorn example is absurd.
Yes, it is absurd, that's the point. What God can do, and what God has done are very different. Simply because God can do something doesn't mean He has.
Believe me, if Christ is in you, you are partaking of the divine nature, which means you are divine as long as Christ is in you. If Christ is divine, and he is in you, you are partaking of the divine nature.
Yes, but the nature is not mine, but the One whose nature it is.
Did Moses or Abraham or any of the prophets that saw God ever mention wings? No, so you have to know there is a difference in reality and metaphoric poetry.
Of course there is a difference. That's why God has no arms or legs or face, these are not literal reality. That's kind of my point.
That is the reason you cannot come to grips with who God is or what he looks like, because you can only picture him with wings and a womb?
I don't picture Him with wings and a womb. I try not to picture Him at all, as it is written, "You shall not make for yourselves any graven images" and also, "To whom then will you compare me, that I should be like him? says the Holy One." The Eternal One is without form, and cannot be likened to anything, either in heaven above or the earth below.
God has given us only one Icon of Himself, Jesus Christ, the Incarnate God-Man.
You need to read your bible again and underline all the metaphoric language there is. It is full of metaphoric poetry that is beautiful, but is not real. As you read your bible seriously, you will get to know the difference.
You'll pardon me as I find it a little ironic to, at this point, be lectured on reading my Bible more. I don't know how to say that without it coming across prideful, but I really don't know how else to put it.
Then all the scriptures that talk about prophets seeing God is all a big lie? They really didn't see him, but they write about it nonetheless? Is that how it works?
Two words that are really important: Vision and Theophany.
Visions are dreams or dream-like experiences in which revelation occurs through graphic imagery. For example, when Ezekiel beholds "wheels within wheels" or when St. John of Patmos sees a seven-eyed lamb seated upon a throne, or a harlot riding a multi-headed beast.
Theophanies are divine apparitions, apperances. For example the burning bush, or the pillars of smoke and fire which guided the Israelites out of Egypt, or the Malakh YHVH (the Angel of the LORD). The dove which St. John the Baptist saw, that was a Theophany of the Holy Spirit, the voice from heaven which John heard, that is a Theophany. The angelic or angel-like visitors who came to Abraham, a Theophany.
Well, here's the real thing, Jesus Christ 'was' human.
Is human.
He is now an immortal, exalted, resurrected being.
Immortal, exalted, resurrected human being.
But he still has a body of flesh and bone and spirit.
Yes, His human body which He received in the Incarnation from His mother Mary. Because Jesus Christ is fully human, of a rational soul and body.
That happens to be the final progression for all men that follow Jesus,
The resurrection and transfiguration of the body is the blessed hope of the Church, yes. As we look forward to the resurrection of the body and the life everlasting in the Age to Come. At the restoration of all things.
and since Jesus is an express image of his God and his Father, then we can know that Jesus's God and Father is also an immortal, exalted, resurrected being, with a body of flesh and bone and spirit.
He is the visible image of the invisible God.
The bible tells us this is the case and so does logic.
The Bible says no such thing, and logic has nothing to do with it.
-CryptoLutheran
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