Hades Is A Real Place of Torment and Agony

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

I don't think that people who believe in universalism really understand how evil some people in the world are and can be.


It's mind blowing to me that some of you guys really think that satan worshippers who knowingly and willingly blaspheme The Holy Spirit of God, who knowingly and willingly reject Him their entire lives are going to one day be saved.

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[Major1]

United Arab...[Emirates] ;

LOL!!!!!!

North ALABAMA!

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Why? Because God has a Plan, and He will not alter it because of anyone's puny human will.

Do you believe that we have free will ?


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[Major1]

So for the sins of a momentary lifetime (days, years or decades) relative to eternity, the just punishment is an eternity of punishment? That makes no sense.

Why should God's love expire after a very brief time like a carton of milk, and be over ruled by the injustice you call justice? "Mercy triumphs over judgement" (Js.2:13b).

If endless conscious torments were true, is God a monster?

Heb.10:28 A man that hath set at nought Moses' law dieth without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses: 29 of how much sorer punishment, think ye, shall he be judged worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Stoning to death is not a very sore or long lasting punishment. People suffered far worse deaths via the torture methods of the eternal hell believing Medieval Inquisitionists and the German Nazis under Hitler.

Therefore, if the writer of Hebrews believed that wicked, rebellious, Christ rejectors would be punished with something so monstrous as being endlessly annihilated or tormented, he would not have chosen to compare their punishment to something so lame as being stoned to death.

Clearly he did not believe Love Omnipotent is an unfeeling terminator machine or sadist who abandons forever the beings He created in His own image & likeness so easily.




Who ever suggested or stated that?

So how are aborted babies going to get into heaven with a sin nature & without fulfilling the requirement of being born again (John 3)?

Will teens who died & never heard the gospel be sent to endless tortures by Love Omnipotent?

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By the Grace of God!

How does mentally challenged get to heaven?

Do you actually think that a loving God as you have described would allow an aborted baby to go to hell???

What kind of theology is that?

Do you think that your kind of thinking can will lost souls to Christ???

Have you tried?

 

[ClementofA]

So you believe that God is going to Force people to be saved that don't want to be saved ?


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Why would He need to "force" (whatever that is supposed to mean)?

Love Omnipotent has all eternity to wait lovingly till all willingly respond positively to His love.

It's impossible any would resist Him forever.

If endless conscious torments were true, is God a monster?

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

As opposed to orthodox sophistry?

Universalism is theology based off of Fantasy and Emotionalism

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[FineLinen]

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Hades is a real place and people/souls are tormented there in different ways. Everything in hades is alive and anything can attack you
May God Bless You

May God bless you while everything attacks you and torments you in various ways.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Why would He need to "force" (whatever that is supposed to mean)?
Love Omnipotent has all eternity to wait lovingly till all willingly respond positively to His love.

Some people are just evil. They will never repent. They willingly choose that path.

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[Major1]

Major: I am shocked you have not presented the final outcome (according to the Apostle Peter) of all this nasty scene of devastation.

The risen Christ preaches to the dead

“Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; which once were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was in preparation, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water… for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.”

"Who shall render an account unto him who is holding in readiness to judge living and dead; for, unto this end, even unto the dead, was the glad-message delivered,—in order that they might be judged, indeed, according to men in flesh, but might live according to God in spirit."

-Rotherham Emphasized-

Dead=

nekros= a corpse (from nekus)=

Breathed his last/ lifeless.

Deceased/ departed.

Destitute of life/ without life.

Inanimate.

Disobedient= apeitheo=

Not to allow one’s self to be persuaded.

To refuse or withhold belief & obedience.

To refuse belief and obedience.

Not to comply with.

Live= zao=

To be alive with resurrection life.

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You have STLL not answered the question????

3rd time......Were the people on earth standing in front of the Ark begging to get in in TORMENT?????

It just is not that hard of a question to answer.

It can only be Yes or NO.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

May God bless you while everything attacks you and torments you in various ways.

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[FineLinen]

Why? Because God has a Plan, and He will not alter it because of anyone's puny human will.

Hi there Laz: Are you actually declaring His glorious Plan is not subject to our wee wills? Are my old eyes betraying me?

OR > > >

"The grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him."

 

[ClementofA]

How does mentally challenged get to heaven?

Through being born again (John 3:1-8)

Do you actually think that a loving God as you have described would allow an aborted baby to go to hell???

If the baby was brought to mental maturity, heard the gospel & trampled on Christ's grace, sure. But not to your sadistic endless tortures chamber as "hell".

Are you a 4 or 5 point Calvinist? You repeatedly post a link to one of their sites.

If endless conscious torments were true, is God a monster?

 

[Major1]

Condemned...yes, by those wanting to gaslight other Christians.

Defeated...hardly, as a few posters on this sub-forum ably demonstrate 24/7/365.

Heretical...no, as it was an orthodox view for centuries.

Wicked...what is wicked about the salvation of all?

Damnable...we're going to Hell for proving there is no such place?

The salvation of "ALL" is wicked because it is a lie.

John 14:6......
" I am the way the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except by me".

Revelation 20:10...….
"and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

Those are either true or they are false. To make universal salvation possible they must be removed from the Bible along with about 100 more.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

You have STLL not answered the question????

3rd time......Were the people on earth standing in front of the Ark begging to get in in TORMENT?????

It just is not that hard of a question to answer.

It can only be Yes or NO.

I've tried asking for straight forward direct yes or no answers and all I get is copy and pasted walls of text and more evasion.


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[ClementofA]

I don't think that people who believe in universalism really understand how evil some people in the world are and can be.


It's mind blowing to me that some of you guys really think that satan worshippers who knowingly and willingly blaspheme The Holy Spirit of God, who knowingly and willingly reject Him their entire lives are going to one day be saved.

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"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" ring any bells for you?

Why would Love Omnipotent want to appear so powerfully to (and save) a Jew who was a Christian serial killer, the worst of sinners?

Why would Love Omnipotent save a man who had been made king and shown many of God's wonders and miracles, but then committed premeditated adultery and murder?

Why would Love Omnipotent save another man who for years had seen the miracles of Jesus yet refused to believe even after the disciples said they had seen the Lord risen? Yet he stubbornly refused to believe unless he see the Lord & put his hand inside of Him.

That last one sounds like a lot of atheists & agnostics who've never seen anything like what doubting Thomas did.

the penalty for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is...

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Why? Because God has a Plan, and He will not alter it because of anyone's puny human will.

Do you believe that humans have free will ?


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[ClementofA]

Universalism is theology based off of Fantasy and Emotionalism

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Infernalism created for what purpose by men?

Filthy lucre?

Control of the masses by terrorizing them?

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[Major1]

Through being born again (John 3:1-8)



If the baby was brought to mental maturity, heard the gospel & trampled on Christ's grace, sure. But not to your sadistic endless tortures chamber as "hell".

Are you a 4 or 5 point Calvinist? You repeatedly post a link to one of their sites.

If endless conscious torments were true, is God a monster?

Actually I am nothing but a born again believer in Christ who believes that the Bible is the Word of God.

"Got Questions" is actually a Christian apologetics web site. It is Protestant, evangelical, theologically conservative, and non-denominational. The CEO is educated at Dallas Theological Seminary of which I am also an attendee.

The only reason you would attack it is that it and me are diputing your unbiblical opinions.

 

[ClementofA]

Some people are just evil. They will never repent. They willingly choose that path.

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God.. will not make you endure eternity in heaven with Him if you don't want to....

Because He loves you.. .He grants your wishes.

Great! So all those who wish to live in Vegas forever, gambling & whoring, He will "grant their wishes" (like a genie) & give them eternal happiness that way. So everyone gets saved! And you are now a universalist!

 

[Major1]

I've tried asking for straight forward direct yes or no answers and all I get is copy and pasted walls of text and more evasion.


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And that is because he knows he is wrong and he also know what the next question is going to be.

The only way to avoid being pinned to the wall with his own words is to stall and put off the answer.