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HAB Theory could be the key to getting us to take climate change seriously?

Are you worried about rising ocean levels?

  • No... we humans cannot significantly affect climate.

  • Yes.... prophecy mentions "waves of the sea" roaring.

  • No.... climate change is mostly a socialist conspiracy.

  • Yes...... this can inspire us to actively fulfill Isaiah chapter 35.


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Dr. Albert Einstein took The HAB Theory very seriously.

The growth of ice on the central region of Antarctica may be what has saved New Orleans from being underwater already!


Expanded Discussion of the HAB Theory


At a symposium of the Union of Geodesy and geophysics, Dr. Pyyotor Shoumsky reported that the south polar ice cap was growing at a minimum rate of 293 cubic miles of ice annually. To put that number in perspective, Lake Erie contains only 109 cubic miles of water. Thus, a volume of ice forms on top of the existing ice at Antarctica each year which is almost three times the volume of water in Lake Erie!

Are you personally worried about the threat of rising ocean levels?
 

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Are you personally worried about the threat of rising ocean levels?
Nope -- bring it on.

I remember a comic strip that showed a husband & wife looking out the window, and a tornado is bearing down on them.

The conversation went something like this:

H: Quick! Down in the cellar!
W: Can't! Radon gas!
H: Then get in the attic!
W: Can't! Asbestos!
H: Then let's hide behind the couch!
W: Cant! Lead paint on the walls!

So they just sat on the couch and hoped for the best.
 
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I doubt that. Even if he did, no one but kooks take cataclysmic pole shift theory seriously nowadays.
QV please:
You do know that the earth reversed its magnetic field in AD 58, causing the poles to switch?

And that Nero blamed it on the Christians?

Acts 17:6 And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also;
 
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You say so many funny things, it's hard to tell when you're doing it intentionally
Is this a joke?
Wood boat?

Most people think Noah's Ark was a ship -- but the Bible never calls it a 'ship'.

It was actually a submarine.

Notice that it is described as having 'one window' (periscope) at the top:

Genesis 6:16a A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above;

... thus the Ark was not subject to the stresses that would have been placed on ships on the surface.

A wood submarine? Link?

Don't need a link.

The Ark was made of what the Bible calls 'gopher wood' -- which, of course, is nothing more than copper, mixed with trace elements, called "pitch" -- (probably carbon for hardness).

Keep in mind that Noah's predecessors were top-notch metallurgists.

Thus the Ark was a giant state-of-the Ark submarine, complete with periscope.
 
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Watching a political discussion the other night, the subject of the way America reacts to problems came up, and the comment was made that we don't take action "until the last possible moment", to which another quickly added, "You mean until it's.....too late."

Bullseye.
 
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Watching a political discussion the other night, the subject of the way America reacts to problems came up, and the comment was made that we don't take action "until the last possible moment", to which another quickly added, "You mean until it's.....too late."

Bullseye.
Didn't some little girl present a story to the Club in Rome in 1980 about algae on the pond on Day 29?
 
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AV likes to try to post mysterious, seemingly nonsensical things just so people will keep asking him what he means and then he'll finally tell them, instead of just stating what he means upfront. It likely serves a dual purpose of getting people to pay attention to him and padding his post count.
 
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Dr. Albert Einstein took The HAB Theory very seriously.
No. Einstein thought the hypothesis should be given serious consideration. That is quite different from saying that he took it very seriously.

To think it should be given serious consideration means that he felt there was sufficient evidence and theoretical grounding to merit having experts examine the idea in more detail.

If had taken the idea very seriously this would have meant that he had conducted such an examination, or thoroughly reviewed such examination conducted by others.

When the idea was examined it was found to fail in several ways. It was an interesting idea that was worthy of attention, but one that has been rightly dismissed.
 
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No. Einstein thought the hypothesis should be given serious consideration. That is quite different from saying that he took it very seriously.

To think it should be given serious consideration means that he felt there was sufficient evidence and theoretical grounding to merit having experts examine the idea in more detail.

If had taken the idea very seriously this would have meant that he had conducted such an examination, or thoroughly reviewed such examination conducted by others.

When the idea was examined it was found to fail in several ways. It was an interesting idea that was worthy of attention, but one that has been rightly dismissed.

His long time friend Immanuel Velikovsky seems to have left Dr. Einstein with the impression that there may well have been 172 or so major polar flips in the past roughly 5 million years.

Christians who are stuck on "Young Earth Theory" would find this idea highly offensive.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7715259/

NDE of Dr. Richard Eby verifies old earth and gap theory.
I was impressed with the explanation given for the fall of Lucifer which would quite possibly fit with an earth that may well be 4.5 billion years old.

Apparently a lot happened between the original creation of the earth and the time when the repairing of the earth was made necessary due to an attempted coup d'etat by Lucifer and the angels who decided to follow him!!


.near-death.com/forum/nde/000/91.html

Dr. Richard Eby:
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"Jesus, tell me about this wondrous music all about me. Who is the composer? How is it made? From whence does it come? It is gorgeous!"

I was not disappointed when he began his answer by again asking me:
"Didn't you read my book? Repeatedly it exhorts my children to praise me with music from strings, trumpets, timbrels and voices. It is and was the prime communication of worship and praise and thanksgiving. Since I am the Creator, I am the composer of heaven's music which you are hearing."

Music became the resulting harmony from all of our creations, both of matter and energy. All resonated in unison with us. The elementary form was of and from and in ourselves. I might explain it as a triad of sub-electronic energy particles with and around which We constructed everything in our universe. The wave-forms we called light; whereas the material-forms we called dust of the Earth and water and air. Out of these, and into these, we created animals and birds and fishes and vegetable life to support them. Over these we created a mankind to supervise them as our appointed custodians made in our special image to act for us on Earth!"

Jesus hesitated as I tried to capture the immensity of his explanations.

"You must understand, my son, that original creation mirrored the composition and perfection of Person-God. All creation vibrated in unison with us! There was total accord and harmony everywhere as the whole creation was resonating with and in God!

"Each separate thing or being thus carried out an appointed task in our scheme for the universe. A heaven-form of music resulted as even the stars sang in their appointed circuits. Here in paradise you are hearing these melodious vibrations directly upon your new mind, undistorted. On Earth you heard distorted sounds through the air waves. Throughout heaven the music flows from my throne, uninterrupted, undefiled, and peace-giving."

Jesus paused again.
"My book tells of the time when Lucifer's rebellion in heaven changed some things. He sought to usurp my Father's throne, assume his position as the most high God, and to rule the universe. For that blasphemy Lucifer was cast from heaven to Earth; in fact, I saw him fall as a bolt of lightning! In a tantrum of hate and rage over being deposed so fast he and his fallen angels disfigured our perfect Earth. It became void and uninhabitable. For punishment befitting his enemy of God, Lucifer was given a new name, Satan, since he was the self-appointed "adversary' of the Almighty. Anything that God had made, Satan would attempt to destroy from then on. As Lucifer he had been created the highest angel about the throne, one of his assignments and talents being the chief musician in charge of worship and music. In his rebellious anger he set about destroying harmony on and in the Earth from then on. That is why the Earth where he operates now is out of harmony with God's other creations. In my book we call this disharmony "sin', because it defies God's will that even the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament show his handiwork.

"But be of good cheer, my son. The Father has permitted me to overcome Satan's world system of sin, and to destroy the works of Satan, and to re-establish righteousness in the hearts of my friends. Eventually in his chosen time he will restore all creation as it once was, in him!" (Dr. Richard Eby, near-death.com)
 
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I doubt that. Even if he did, no one but kooks take cataclysmic pole shift theory seriously nowadays.

But............. if we did we might just take another serious look at the Carl Carntrell alternative theory on how best to begin to stabilize the climate.


"So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breathe, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere.. ."

"Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes...."

"Just take a look at any satellite picture of the earth showing heat and you will see that our deserts are the warmest spots on the planet by far. More heat is being generated by just one of the top four or five deserts than by all of our cities combined.... "

"The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave…."

"So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive…."

"Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds…"

"We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell)."

BLB - Isa 35: The Major Prophet Isaiah 35 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

Isa 35:1
¶The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
......................Isa 35:7
And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.


Jordan
 
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I lean toward yes.

Is this a joke?

Psalms 89:9
"Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them."



Psa 93:4
"The LORD on high is mightier than the noise of many waters, yea, than the mighty waves of the sea."


Jeremiah 5:22
"Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?"


Ask yourself....... is there a possible positve meaning in this verse?

Gen 11:6
"And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do."




Do we humans have astonishing potential to also do good...... as well as evil....... if we will unite on a goal that is worthy and in line with the plans of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus for us?
 
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I already take climate change seriously. I just don't take the idea that we can stop climate change or proposed "solutions " seriously.

How about this video by Geoff Lawton on how altering agricultural practices...… .stopping people from burning the stock from the last crop..... and instead using it as a mulch.... can play a huge role in turning deserts green even in nations like Jordan?

Desert Oasis


From Desert to Oasis in 4 Years!

Absolutely FREE videos by Geoff Lawton, World Renowned Permaculture Teacher, Designer and Consultant.
Geoff Lawton takes you to Wadi Rum in Jordan and shows you how he transformed 10 acres of hostile desert into an abundant oasis, now producing food as a successful organic farm located in the Middle East.
Geoff reveals his design process and explains the steps needed to create a paradise on earth.
“If we can do it here, we can do it anywhere.” he says.
 
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