Gravity - is it really there?

[JohnEmmett]

Which scriptures?

con·text
noun

1. the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.

 

[Hans Blaster]

con·text
noun

1. the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.

And the context was Greeks and Hopi. What are these Greek and Hopi scriptures? I am not aware of them.

 

[JohnEmmett]

What are these Greek and Hopi scriptures? I am not aware of them.

Plato's Timaeus and Critias

Book of the Hopi

 

[Hans Blaster]

Plato's Timaeus and Critias

Book of the Hopi

OK, we have written versions of the Greek and Hopi myths and legends as recorded by Plato and Frank Waters, respectively. Do the Hopi or ancient Greeks revere these written versions of their stories as scripture?

 

[JohnEmmett]

Do the Hopi or Greeks revere these written versions of their stories as scripture?

Inasmuch as history matters to them.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Inasmuch as history matters to them.

In other words, you have no idea if these written texts are regarded as scripture.

 

[JohnEmmett]

In other words, you have no idea if these written texts are regarded as scripture.

of course they are scripture


the best writing of the Greeks and Hopi

 

[Hans Blaster]

of course they are scripture


the best writing of the Greeks and Hopi

Generally, people consider some writing "scripture" if it is "sacred". Since you and I are not Christians, we don't consider their Bible as sacred, but they do, and that's why it is scripture. Do the Hopi consider Frank Waters writing down of their myths and legends to be sacred? Do you have any knowledge of the Hopi and their opinions of this text? (not just the myths and legends inside it, the actual text which is in English.)

 

[JohnEmmett]

Generally, people consider some writing "scripture" if it is "sacred"

1. considered to be holy and deserving respect

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

1. considered to be holy and deserving respect

The 'and' is important there. Do they consider those writings holy?

 

[JohnEmmett]

Do they consider those writings holy?

yes … do you

 

[Hans Blaster]

1. considered to be holy and deserving respect

Why do you consider them "holy"? You are not (to my knowledge) a practitioner of Hopi religion.

I can understand that people in other religions find a text sacred and consider it scripture (for example, Muslims and the Quran) without considering it holy or sacred myself.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Why do you consider them "holy"? You are not (to my knowledge) a practitioner of Hopi religion.

I can understand that people in other religions find a text sacred and consider it scripture … without considering it holy or sacred myself.

Perhaps it really is holy. Really is sacred.


And in that case I can benefit by learning.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Perhaps it really is holy. Really is sacred.


And in that case I can benefit by learning.

Is "holy" or "sacred" an intrinsic property of things or ideas?

Or, is it something we assign to things that we care about?

 

[JohnEmmett]

Is "holy" or "sacred" an intrinsic property of things or ideas?

Or, is it something we assign to things that we care about?

God is holy intrinsically

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

yes … do you

I don't. What makes you think you know that the Hopi do?

 

[JohnEmmett]

I don't. What makes you think you know that the Hopi do?

Common sense

 

[Hans Blaster]

God is holy intrinsically

Which god? I don't know the Hopi religion, do they even have gods? Are they also the Greek gods (since the Greek legends of Atlantis are the source of this)? Are they the same as you Buddhist god(s)?

I don't have time to work out all of the various gods and keep track of them, so I genuinely don't know the answer.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Which god? I don't know the Hopi religion, do they even have gods?

There are multiple levels of heavenly realms


Zeus is part of a lower heaven


The Hopi speak of The Creator

 

[Hans Blaster]

There are multiple levels of heavenly realms

And the evidence for this is????

Zeus is part of a lower heaven

And the evidence for this is????

The Hopi speak of The Creator

And this relates to other gods, how?