Gracepointe Church in Nashville says the Bible is not the word of God

[Saint Steven]

Nobody with a true sense of the gravity of our sin and rebellion would say that.

Did Jesus die to save us from God?

 

[East of Eden]

No one with a sense of God's plan for Universal Restoration would say that.

Why would people without a serious sin and rebellion problem need restoring?

 

[East of Eden]

Did Jesus die to save us from God?

Jesus is God.

 

[Saint Steven]

That's what we're asking you.

The saw cuts both ways. You want to lay that on me but won't take it on yourselves.

 

[Saint Steven]

Why would people without a serious sin and rebellion problem need restoring?

Did i say no one has a "serious sin and rebellion problem"?

Saint Steven said: ↑
No one with a sense of God's plan for Universal Restoration would say that.

 

[Saint Steven]

Jesus is God.

Did Jesus die to save us from himself?

Saint Steven said: ↑
Did Jesus die to save us from God?

 

[Fervent]

Fervent said: ↑
So what the Bible literally says should simply be discarded, why?

There's no discarding, "atonement" is not salvation. Through Jesus death is defeated, the issue of sin is dealt with. All sins are atoned for, but unbelief remains separating man from God.

 

[East of Eden]

The saw cuts both ways. You want to lay that on me but won't take it on yourselves.

Our forum rules themselves call Universalism an unorthodox position, and prohibit anyone from encouraging someone to engage in homosexual acts, among other things. Both things GracePointe is doing, and yes I get they can be discussed here.

 

[Saint Steven]

Our forum rules themselves call Universalism an unorthodox position, and prohibit anyone from encouraging someone to engage in homosexual acts, among other things. Both things GracePointe is doing, and yes I get they can be discussed here.

Gracepointe is not encouraging homosexual acts. They are only condoned within a monogamous legal marriage. (as I understand it)

 

[Saint Steven]

Our forum rules themselves call Universalism an unorthodox position...

Jesus was considered unorthodox in his day. Was that wrong?

 

[East of Eden]

Jesus was considered unorthodox in his day. Was that wrong?

Not by Christians, that is the topic at hand.

 

[East of Eden]

Gracepointe is not encouraging homosexual acts. They are only condoned within a monogamous legal marriage. (as I understand it)

Homosexual acts aren't going on in this 'marriage'? It isn't a marriage, it's a farce and a travesty. Would a man marrying his dog be a marriage if it was legal?

 

[Fervent]

Jesus was considered unorthodox in his day. Was that wrong?

Was He, though? The Pharisee's and scribes, the Sauducees, and the people all turned to Him for His teachings. He wasn't rejected for teaching strange doctrine, in fact the Jewish authorities routinely tried to trip Him up into saying something out of keeping. So unorthodox is not quite the right word.

 

[East of Eden]

Was He, though? The Pharisee's and scribes, the Sauducees, and the people all turned to Him for His teachings. He wasn't rejected for teaching strange doctrine, in fact the Jewish authorities routinely tried to trip Him up into saying something out of keeping. So unorthodox is not quite the right word.

Exactly, he was only unorthodox to the Pharisees, who grossly added to Scripture with hundreds of man made rules, and to the Saducees, who subtracted from Scripture much like today's revisionists, and to those who didn't recognize the prophecies He fulfilled.

Jesus was conservative in His theology, but liberal in His ethos, or how he treated people and who He approached. He interacted with sinners, but didn't leave them in their sin as GracePointe does.

 

[Saint Steven]

Homosexual acts aren't going on in this 'marriage'? It isn't a marriage, it's a farce and a travesty. Would a man marrying his dog be a marriage if it was legal?

If marrying a dog was legal, it would most certainly be a marriage. At least in legal terms.

I'll have to draw the line at cats, however. - lol

 

[Saint Steven]

Was He, though? The Pharisee's and scribes, the Sauducees, and the people all turned to Him for His teachings. He wasn't rejected for teaching strange doctrine, in fact the Jewish authorities routinely tried to trip Him up into saying something out of keeping. So unorthodox is not quite the right word.

I disagree.

Matthew 7:28-29 NIV
When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29 because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.

 

[East of Eden]

If marrying a dog was legal, it would most certainly be a marriage. At least in legal terms.

I'm only concerned with what is legal in God's eyes.

 

[Saint Steven]

I'm only concerned with what is legal in God's eyes.

Is polygamy legal in God's eyes? Did he condone it? Is slavery legal in God's eyes? did he condone it? Did he restore Sodom?

Ezekiel 16:53
“‘However, I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and of Samaria and her daughters, and your fortunes along with them,

 

[Fervent]

I disagree.

Matthew 7:28-29 NIV
When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29 because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.

That doesn't say He was unorthodox, they marveled at His manner of teaching not the teaching themselves. The scribes would always cite the tradition from which they were teaching, naming masters and quoting them. Jesus on the other hand taught "as one who had authority," meaning He didn't pin it to a master's tradition. The authorities were constantly trying to get Him to teach something they could hold against Him because His teaching was directly from Scripture and outside of a few clarifications was very orthodox within the wisdom traditions.

 

[Saint Steven]

That doesn't say He was unorthodox, they marveled at His manner of teaching not the teaching themselves. The scribes would always cite the tradition from which they were teaching, naming masters and quoting them. Jesus on the other hand taught "as one who had authority," meaning He didn't pin it to a master's tradition. The authorities were constantly trying to get Him to teach something they could hold against Him because His teaching was directly from Scripture and outside of a few clarifications was very orthodox within the wisdom traditions.

So, you are claiming that Jesus was teaching orthodox Judaism? What's wrong with this picture? - lol