Good Friday, a doctrine of men?

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No the Apostles never said Jesus was raised on Sunday.. It says he was raised at the start of the first day of the week.. The Biblical day starts at sundown.. Not sunrise.. Therefore the start of the first day of the week is saturday sundown..

That is the same thing...after sundown Saturday night IS Sunday.

 

[prodromos]

The Biblical day starts at sundown.. Not sunrise.. Therefore the start of the first day of the week is saturday sundown

Saturday sundown is when the Sabbath ended and Sunday began. Your post is nonsense.

 

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Saturday sundown is when the Sabbath ended and Sunday began. Your post is nonsense.

I do not have to be concerned with you post because you have slanderously quoted me as saying something to which i never said... You do not deserve the time of day.. let alone a reply

May you be forgiven..

 

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That is the same thing...after sundown Saturday night IS Sunday.

No Sunday starts at 12.00am midnight .. Sunday is not a biblical designation.. It is a roman designation.. The Hebrew days where numbered days not named days.. Sunday is a European designation of a different time period.. The Weekly sabbath starts on Friday sunset and goes to Saturday sunset.. The first day of the week is already 6 hours old before Sunday officially starts..

 

[prodromos]

No Sunday starts at 12.00am midnight.

A few posts back you said the biblical day starts at sundown. It can't be both.

Sunday is not a biblical designation.. It is a roman designation..The Hebrew days where numbered days not named days..

It makes no difference whether you call the day "Sunday" or "Dominicas" or "Κυριακή" or "1st". They all refer to the same day of the week, the day following the weekly Sabbath which was the 7th day of the week.

Sunday is a European designation of a different time period..

For the purpose of when you can start claiming overtime, we consider a day to start at midnight. For the purpose of studying the Scriptures, we consider a dày to start at sunset. We do not confuse the two.

The Weekly sabbath starts on Friday sunset and goes to Saturday sunset.. The first day of the week is already 6 hours old before Sunday officially starts..

And you have just mixed two completely different cultural contexts whereas none of us do that. You are in effect falsely accusing us.
Understand this. In the context of the Scriptures, Sunday begins at sunset on the Sabbath. Only English speakers call this day "Sunday". Romance languages call this day "Dominicas" which means "Of the Lord". Greeks call it "Κυριακή" which also means "Of the Lord". Russians call it the Russian word for "resurrection"

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No Sunday starts at 12.00am midnight .. Sunday is not a biblical designation.. It is a roman designation.. The Hebrew days where numbered days not named days.. Sunday is a European designation of a different time period.. The Weekly sabbath starts on Friday sunset and goes to Saturday sunset.. The first day of the week is already 6 hours old before Sunday officially starts..

LOL...OK, the first day of the week (Yom Rishon) starts at sundown on the 7th day of the week (Yom Shabbat).

 

[rstrats]

ViaCrucis,
re: "...we read that 'it is the third day since these things (Jesus' death)' That gives us this: Jesus was crucified on the sixth day of the week..."

If the first day of the week was the third day since the Messiah died, what would the first day since He died have been?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

...what would the first day since He died have been?

It does not say that...

 

[rstrats]

Yeshua HaDerekh,
re: "It does not say that... "

What doesn't say what?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yeshua HaDerekh,
re: "It does not say that... "

What doesn't say what?

It says "today is the 3rd day since those events happened"...NOT "what would the first day since He died have been". You are deforming scripture to what YOU need and want it to say. Sunday was the 3rd day, Saturday was the 2nd day and Friday was the day those events occurred. There is no day 0. The day he died was the 1st day, the Sabbath was the 2nd and Sunday was the 3rd day.

 

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LOL...OK, the first day of the week (Yom Rishon) starts at sundown on the 7th day of the week (Yom Shabbat).

Ok then. We are agreed.. Jesus was raised from the dead at the start of the first day of the week. Which starts at saturday sundown..

 

[rstrats]

Yeshua HaDerekh,
re: "It says 'today is the 3rd day since those events happened'...NOT 'what would the first day since He died have been'".

I didn't say it did. ViaCrucis wrote "...we read that 'it is the third day since these things (Jesus' death)' That gives us this: Jesus was crucified on the sixth day of the week..." I merely asked him what the first day since the Messiah died would have been?

If the first day of the week was the third day since the Messiah died, what would the first day since He died have been?

It says "today is the 3rd day since those events happened"...NOT "what would the first day since He died have been". You are deforming scripture to what YOU need and want it to say. Sunday was the 3rd day, Saturday was the 2nd day and Friday was the day those events occurred. There is no day 0. The day he died was the 1st day, the Sabbath was the 2nd and Sunday was the 3rd day.

 

[prodromos]

If the first day of the week was the third day since the Messiah died, what would the first day since He died have been?

It would be Friday, although it is probably unlikely that people would use such an expression when speaking of the same day.
On Sunday they would say it was the third day since.
On Saturday they would say it was the second day since.
On Friday they would say it happened today.

 

[rstrats]

prodromos,
re: "On Saturday they would say it was the second day since."

Which would have to mean that Friday was the first day since. Thus Thursday would be the day that it happened.

 

[prodromos]

prodromos,
re: "On Saturday they would say it was the second day since."

Which would have to mean that Friday was the first day since. Thus Thursday would be the day that it happened.

No, that is exclusive counting and it has been explained many times that is not how the Jews counted since their numbering system did not have the concept of zero.
The first day since would be the actual day it happened, except no one would use the expression "the first day since".

 

[dqhall]

No, that is exclusive counting and it has been explained many times that is not how the Jews counted since their numbering system did not have the concept of zero.
The first day since would be the actual day it happened, except no one would use the expression "the first day since".

If you learn the observance of Passover from a Jewish perspective, they were not allowed to do any work on the Passover. The arrest, trial and crucifixion were all forms of work. The crucifixion had to occur on the day of preparation for the Passover.

The Gospel of John has a slightly different account compared to the synoptic Gospels. The chief priests' (Sanhedrin) police force took Jesus to Pilate's Praetorium, but did not go in for they did not want to be made unclean for the Passover. According to the Talmud, if they were unclean for the Passover, they would have to do the ceremony on another day for those who were sick of unclean for the first Passover (Talmud Tractate Pesachim).

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If you learn the observance of Passover from a Jewish perspective, they were not allowed to do any work on the Passover. The arrest, trial and crucifixion were all forms of work. The crucifixion had to occur on the day of preparation for the Passover.

The Gospel of John has a slightly different account compared to the synoptic Gospels. The chief priests' (Sanhedrin) police force took Jesus to Pilate's Praetorium, but did not go in for they did not want to be made unclean for the Passover. According to the Talmud, if they were unclean for the Passover, they would have to do the ceremony on another day for those who were sick of unclean for the first Passover (Talmud Tractate Pesachim).

Yeshua was killed on the 14th, Friday, the day of preparation (the lambs were killed on this day). Yes, if unclean, Pesakh sheni would be done the next month.

 

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Yeshua HaDerekh,
re: "Yeshua was killed on the 14th, Friday..."

So you're saying that the Messiah didn't mean it when He said that He would spend 3 nights in the "heart of the earth" and also didn't mean it when He said that He would rise after 3 days?

 

[prodromos]

Yeshua HaDerekh,
re: "Yeshua was killed on the 14th, Friday..."

So you're saying that the Messiah didn't mean it when He said that He would spend 3 nights in the "heart of the earth"

Christ said "three days and three nights" which we recognise as synecdoche, given that He also said He would rise "on the third day"

and also didn't mean it when He said that He would rise after 3 days?

Now we're back to inclusive counting. You know all this as it has been explained time and again, so why do you continue to play these games?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

[QUOTE="dqhall, post: 71719006, member: 379119]According to the Talmud, if they were unclean for the Passover, they would have to do the ceremony on another day for those who were sick of unclean for the first Passover (Talmud Tractate Pesachim).[/QUOTE]

It was in the Torah originally (Numbers 9:10-11).