GOD'S WORD vs TRADITIONS OF MEN; Sabbath vs Sunday

[listed]

Apologies Bob, my side. I did not read your question correctly. I thought you were asking a Calander question.

To be honest I have not studied this topic before as I have not known anything about it.

I do not normally use wiki that much but came across an interesting Jewish article in regards to the Sabbath, the Jewish dateline (they have their own) and the international date line you may be interested in.

Seems the current dateline is similar to the one the Jews use to observe Sabbath in different parts o the world; linked click me.

Seems Australia is in the right location or close to according to the Jewish rulings. Some islands may be effected however according to the Jewish dateline *not IDL.

The Sabbath was given in the Garden of Eden no one knows where that is. (eg man was made on the 6th day the Sabbath on the 7th day is the first Sabbath). God's people have always had the Sabbath and kept it every 7 days according to the weekly cycle.

That isn't true either.

 

[listed]

Not at all friend your making things up, prove it.

Don't have to prove anything. The record proves my point all by itself.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Don't have to prove anything. The record proves my point all by itself.

Post the record. If you cannot it only proves your making things up because you have no scripture for your tradition.

 

[listed]

Post the record. If you cannot it only proves your making things because you have no scripture for your tradition.

Like I said it is already been done. You're just a traffic generator.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Like I said it is already been done.

No record? I did not think so. Guess your caught out.

 

[JLB777]

Please show me from scripture alone where it says God's 4th Commandment is now abolished.

having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross


As I have said many times, the fourth commandment has not been abolished.

You keep misrepresenting what I’m saying, because you have no scripture that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath to worship Jesus.

You keep referring to scriptures concerning the law of Moses.

having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross



The way we keep the Sabbath under the New Covenant is not the same as under the law.

having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross


Under the law, the violaters were stoned to death for even picking up sticks to kindle a fire to cook.


11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins[fn] of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:11-17


So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,



Go ahead now and post the NT scripture that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath, or you need to keep the law of Moses to be saved.




JLB

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Go ahead now and post the NT scripture that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath, or you need to keep the law of Moses to be saved.
JLB

Nope none of that is even talking about the 10 commandments in the NC or does it say God's 4th has been Abolished.

HEBERWS 4 AND GOD'S 4th Commandment

SCRIPTURE SUPPORT HERE PLEASE FEEL FREE TO RESPOND CLICK ME (5x posts here).

YOUR ANSWERED QUESTION how does the New Testament instruct us to keep the Sabbath under the New Covenant? 1/2 linked

YOUR ANSWERED QUESTION how does the New Testament instruct us to keep the Sabbath under the New Covenant? 2/2 linked

YOUR ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE QUESTION THAT WAS ANSWERED WITH SCRIPTURE linked

YOUR ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE QUESTION ANSWERED AND IGNORED

YOUR ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE QUESTION BACK ANSWERED HERE

YOUR DENIAL OF THE SCRIPTURE PROVIDED TO YOU linked

MIXING UP THE COVENANT LAWS PART 1/2 linked

MIXING UP THE COVENANT LAWS PART 2/2 linked

MIXING UP THE SHADOW LAWS OF COL 2 WITH GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS (see PARTS 1/5)

YOUR CLAIMS THAT NONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED PART 1/3 linked

YOUR CLAIMS THAT NONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED PART 2/3 linked

YOUR CLAIMS THAT NONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED PART 3/3 linked

THE UNANSWERED QUESTION ASKED OF YOU PART 1/2

THE UNANSWERED QUESTION ASKED OF YOU PART 2/2

YOUR CLAIM THE GOD MADE NO COMMANDMENT TO WORSHIP GOD ON SATURDAY OR SUNDAY

GOD'S LAW INCLUDING THE 4TH COMMANDMENT TAUGHT BY JESUS AND THE APOSTLES linked

PAUL KEEPING THE SABBATH WITH BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES

YOU CLAIM THE 10 COMMANDMENTS APPLY TO THE CHRUCH YET DENY THE 4th

YOUR REFUSAL TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SCRIPTURES PART 1/2

YOUR REFUSAL TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SCRIPTURES PART 2/2

YOUR REFUSAL TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SCRIPTURE PART 3/3

Look forward to you reply to the posts and scriptures in the linked posts above....

Thanks for sharing

 

[JLB777]

Nope none of that is even talking about the 10 commandments in the NC or does it say God's 4th has been Abolished.

Again, you have misrepresented what I have said.

The 10 commandments are not abolished, but the way we observe the fourth commandment, is what has changed.


If the way we observe the fourth commandment has not changed, then you are required to put to death those who gather sticks of the Sabbath, which also means you need to keep all the law of Moses.


Are you teaching that the Church must keep the law of Moses to be saved?

If so. then please post the scripture that says the Church must keep the law of Moses to be saved.




11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:11-17


So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,



Go ahead now and post the NT scripture that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath, or you need to keep the law of Moses to be saved.



If you don't believe the Church must keep the law of Moses to be saved, then please explain how the Church is to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.



JLB

 

[Bob S]

Apologies Bob, my side. I did not read your question correctly. I thought you were asking a Calander question.

To be honest I have not studied this topic before as I have not known anything about it.

It depends on what source we get our information as to how the IDL was handled. What we can establish is that God established the Sabbath at Mt Sinai. Knowing where Eden was is not pertinent to the equation. We know the Sabbath hours at Sinai were the median that was used as Israelites traveled to the East and West. When man decided to move the starting point of the week to where it now is Jews had a conundrum to deal with. The Rabbinical leaders were to decide when the Holy day was to begin and so Jews had to depend on on their word.

What is evident is that today the day starts East of the Island of New Zealand and continues around the globe. So, instead of Australia starting their Sabbath about 12 hours give or take after those at Sinai (before the IDL came into force) You are now starting your Sabbath close to the beginning of the the man made Sabbath hours. This phenomenon makes you out of sync with God's 4th commandment. You are not observing the proper hours set aside by God on this Globe.

Does it make a difference? For those of you who believe you have to keep the 7th day Holy it would seem like a great deal. In actuality it has been swept under the rug. Out of sight out of mind. There is a lot of history concerning the weekly cycle and calendar changes throughout history. Much of it is not favorable to Jews and other Sabbath observers.

I do not normally use wiki that much but came across an interesting Jewish article in regards to the Sabbath, the Jewish dateline (they have their own) and the international date line you may be interested in.

Seems the current dateline is similar to the one the Jews use to observe Sabbath in different parts o the world; linked click me.

Seems Australia is in the right location or close to according to the Jewish rulings. Some islands may be effected however according to the Jewish dateline *not IDL.

The Sabbath was given in the Garden of Eden no one knows where that is. (eg man was made on the 6th day the Sabbath on the 7th day is the first Sabbath). God's people have always had the Sabbath and kept it every 7 days according to the weekly cycle.

Now LGW if you want me to respond then provide scripture. You have not provided a single scripture to prove your point.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Again, you have misrepresented what I have said.

The 10 commandments are not abolished, but the way we observe the fourth commandment, is what has changed.

If the way we observe the fourth commandment has not changed, then you are required to put to death those who gather sticks of the Sabbath, which also means you need to keep all the law of Moses.

Are you teaching that the Church must keep the law of Moses to be saved?

If so. then please post the scripture that says the Church must keep the law of Moses to be saved.

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:11-17

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

Go ahead now and post the NT scripture that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath, or you need to keep the law of Moses to be saved.

If you don't believe the Church must keep the law of Moses to be saved, then please explain how the Church is to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.

JLB

Ok my friend, you are free to believe as you wish. Your salvation is between you and God. As you are not interested in discussing the scriptures and ignore the scriptures provided how can we have a discussion?

All your posts have been answered with scripture in the linked posts above linked CLICK ME.

You are only answerable to God not me so let's agree to disagree on your tradition and remain friends

If you wish to discuss the scriptures let me know. Just remember however there is a lot of Scripture that disagrees with your teachings and presented in the linked posts above that you have not responded to and choosen to ignore. Maybe if you cannot reply to these scriptures and posts you can pray about them at home.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It depends on what source we get our information as to how the IDL was handled. What we can establish is that God established the Sabbath at Mt Sinai. Knowing where Eden was is not pertinent to the equation. We know the Sabbath hours at Sinai were the median that was used as Israelites traveled to the East and West. When man decided to move the starting point of the week to where it now is Jews had a conundrum to deal with. The Rabbinical leaders were to decide when the Holy day was to begin and so Jews had to depend on on their word.

What is evident is that today the day starts East of the Island of New Zealand and continues around the globe. So, instead of Australia starting their Sabbath about 12 hours give or take after those at Sinai (before the IDL came into force) You are now starting your Sabbath close to the beginning of the the man made Sabbath hours. This phenomenon makes you out of sync with God's 4th commandment. You are not observing the proper hours set aside by God on this Globe.

Does it make a difference? For those of you who believe you have to keep the 7th day Holy it would seem like a great deal. In actuality it has been swept under the rug. Out of sight out of mind. There is a lot of history concerning the weekly cycle and calendar changes throughout history. Much of it is not favorable to Jews and other Sabbath observers.

The source from wiki were multiple from Jewish scholars. The Jews have their own dateline just for this very purpose that is very similar to the IDL.

Now LGW if you want me to respond then provide scripture. You have not provided a single scripture to prove your point.

Sorry Bob, presumed you knew the scriptures in relation to creation and man being made before the Sabbath? Actually Eden is relevant as it is were the Sabbath was first held and God met with man (Please see Genesis 1:26-31 and all of Genesis 2-3 when man left the Garden)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

[Staff edit].

Hello friend,

No one here is telling you to rely on God's LAW for salvation because all God's LAW does is give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin and righteousness. We are indeed saved by grace however grace is not a licence to disobedience. Grace is for obedience to the faith * ROMANS 1:5.

You have been provided scripture for your questions linked HERE. You can choose to believe God's WORD or not, I do not judge you. It is between you and God. We all answer to God alone come judgement day we will have to agree to disagree till then.

Heresy is not believing God's WORD and rejecting it to follow the traditions and teachings of men that break the commandments of God. It is on the WORD of God we stand or fall. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[JLB777]

You have been provided scripture for your questions linked HERE.

There is no scripture in your link, that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath.

Post a scripture that says the Church is commanded to gather on the Sabbath.

Stop posting links that do not provide a scripture that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath.

Post a scripture.


If you do not, the we all know why.

Because there is none.


JLB

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There is no scripture in your link, that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath.

Post a scripture that says the Church is commanded to gather on the Sabbath.

Stop posting links that do not provide a scripture that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath.

Post a scripture. If you do not, the we all know why.

Because there is none.

JLB

Sorry JBL, I asked if you were open to discuss the scriptures posted to you but you have declined.

Anyone can see...

Your posts have indeed been answered with God's WORD as shown linked here.

You choose not to believe them and declined my invitation to discuss the questions and scripture provided that disagree with you. This is your decision so we will need to agree to disagree sadly.

As to your question above in this post?

Why would there need to be a new commandment to keep the Sabbath holy in the NEW Testament when God had already given the 10 Commandments in the OLD Testament? God has already provided his commandments and they were already known for 4000 years and everyone of them are all repeated in the NEW Testament scriptures.

Now if God has already given his Commandment to keep the Sabbath day HOLY where in all of God's WORD does it say that his 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED?

If you cannot find the scripture and God's Sabbath is the 4th Commandment of the 10 that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is. Do you not fear to stand before God come judgement day?

.......................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[The7thColporteur]

There is no scripture in your link, that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath.

Post a scripture that says the Church is commanded to gather on the Sabbath.

Stop posting links that do not provide a scripture that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath.

Post a scripture.

If you do not, the we all know why.

Because there is none.

JLB

Done this already, "remember" [and it was in this very thread]?

"... If I may interject a thought?:

Acts 7:38 KJB - This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
​

That is a NT text, referring to past events. However, notice, that Luke under inspiration of the Holy Ghost, refers to the body of people with Moses as "the church in the wilderness".

Are they not our brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus? Are they not members of that one great body from Adam [redeemed] unto the last repentant member?

Does the body then have differing gathering time than we do today? How shall we be one in the New Heavens and New Earth?

Isaiah 66:23 KJB - And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
​

Notice, that the "church in the wilderness" of the past has command to gather on the 7th day the sabbath of the LORD their God:

Leviticus 23:3 KJB - Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
​

We, today, are part of that "church", they being of Israel then, and we being of Israel today - all of us together as one body, which shall be seen together in the translation and resurrection. As they, so likewise we:

Exodus 20:6 KJB - And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14:15 KJB - If ye love me, keep my commandments.
​

Both Jews and Gentiles repenting unto God, understood these things:

Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
​

Jews:

Acts 4:24 KJB - And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:
​

Gentiles:

Acts 14:15 KJB - And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

Acts 14:16 KJB - Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
​

Notice the gathering together:

Acts 13:42 KJB - And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:43 KJB - Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

Acts 13:44 KJB - And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. ..." - GOD'S WORD vs TRADITIONS OF MEN; Sabbath vs Sunday​

Here is another:

Hebrews 3-4:

Hebrews 3-4 [KJB], the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD JEHOVAH - "my rest" "remaineth" to My people.
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Along with:

Hebrews 10:25 KJB - Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

The 7th day - the LORD's Day and the greater Day of the LORD [are Linked]​

 

[The7thColporteur]

It depends on what source we get our information as to how the IDL was handled. What we can establish is that God established the Sabbath at Mt Sinai. Knowing where Eden was is not pertinent to the equation. We know the Sabbath hours at Sinai were the median that was used as Israelites traveled to the East and West. When man decided to move the starting point of the week to where it now is Jews had a conundrum to deal with. The Rabbinical leaders were to decide when the Holy day was to begin and so Jews had to depend on on their word.

What is evident is that today the day starts East of the Island of New Zealand and continues around the globe. So, instead of Australia starting their Sabbath about 12 hours give or take after those at Sinai (before the IDL came into force) You are now starting your Sabbath close to the beginning of the the man made Sabbath hours. This phenomenon makes you out of sync with God's 4th commandment. You are not observing the proper hours set aside by God on this Globe....

Utter rubbish, and even moreso for one who is independant from the great body of Christianity.

Where do you even place Mt. Sinai, at the area of "Catherine's", pointed out by Constantines mother, Queen Helena? That isn't it. Anyways, moving on.

There are Jews the world over [spread all over the place] from the time of Christ Jesus have always understood when the 7th day was, even as the Christians did. Moreso, the pagans of Rome knew when the sunday was, and it has not changed either. Neither Jews or Christians in Australia follow the hokum you presented.

You are answered:

The 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD was made for a round world - spheroid - & IDL, or the Day Line​

And see also the following:

The International Dateline and the Weekly Sabbath​

Aren't you embarrassed to make such erroneous statements?

Do you really care where the IDL is, and does it personally affect you [a person who does not keep sabbath as admitted by yourself]? In the name of Jesus Christ, answer with truth.

 

[JLB777]

Sorry JBL, I asked if you were open to discuss the scriptures posted to you but you have declined.

Just post one scripture for everyone to see and discuss, that teaches us the Church is commanded to gather on the Sabbath.

If there was such a scripture you would post it.


Please repent of promoting a man made doctrine of bondage, that is designed to bring the Church under the law of Moses.



JLB

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Just post one scripture for everyone to see and discuss, that teaches us the Church is commanded to gather on the Sabbath.

If there was such a scripture you would post it.


Please repent of promoting a man made doctrine of bondage, that is designed to bring the Church under the law of Moses.

JLB

Hi JBL your only repeating yourself now.

This post was answered in post# 1115 linked.

Maybe you missed it.

 

[JLB777]

Hi JBL your only repeating yourself now.

This post was answered in post# 1115 linked.

Maybe you missed it.

That "link" is just another cut and paste, of ot testament scriptures, with you claiming you have answered my question.

Not one single scripture where Jesus or the Apostles issue a command that the Church is to gather on the Sabbath to worship.

You claim that a person will go to hell, if they don't gather on the Sabbath, because they are breaking God's commandment.


So I ask you, where is this scripture, from Jesus or the Apostles, that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath.

Post the scripture for us, because our salvation is at stake.

Please don't post another dead end link that is more old testament scriptures as to how the children of Israel were to keep the Sabbath or be executed.


Just one scripture that says the Church must gather on the Sabbath.


I'm not asking a question.

I'm asking you to post the scripture that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath.




JLB

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That "link" is just another cut and paste, of ot testament scriptures, with you claiming you have answered my question.

Not one single scripture where Jesus or the Apostles issue a command that the Church is to gather on the Sabbath to worship.

You claim that a person will go to hell, if they don't gather on the Sabbath, because they are breaking God's commandment.


So I ask you, where is this scripture, from Jesus or the Apostles, that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath.

Post the scripture for us, because our salvation is at stake.

Please don't post another dead end link that is more old testament scriptures as to how the children of Israel were to keep the Sabbath or be executed.


Just one scripture that says the Church must gather on the Sabbath.

I'm not asking a question.

I'm asking you to post the scripture that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath.

JLB

Well no it is not JBL, that is not true at all. Maybe you did not read it. Here let me post it again for you. Please read all the post slowly before saying things that are not true.

Previously posted below (section highlighted in red below read me)

..............

Post # 1115 linked

Sorry JBL, I asked if you were open to discuss the scriptures posted to you but you have declined.

Anyone can see...

Your posts have indeed been answered with God's WORD as shown linked here.

You choose not to believe them and declined my invitation to discuss the questions and scripture provided that disagree with you. This is your decision so we will need to agree to disagree sadly.

As to your question above in this post?

Why would there need to be a new commandment to keep the Sabbath holy in the NEW Testament when God had already given the 10 Commandments in the OLD Testament? God has already provided his commandments and they were already known for 4000 years and everyone of them are all repeated in the NEW Testament scriptures.

Now if God has already given his Commandment to keep the Sabbath day HOLY where in all of God's WORD does it say that his 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED?

If you cannot find the scripture and God's Sabbath is the 4th Commandment of the 10 that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is. Do you not fear to stand before God come judgement day?

.......................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).