GOD'S WORD vs TRADITIONS OF MEN; Sabbath vs Sunday

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One of the problems I have with religious people is the out right fraud they continue to promote everywhere.

 

[JLB777]

Hello Bob nice to see you ,

Now Bob, none of that is true is it? I have not evaded any of your posts that have scripture. I have ignored the ones that are just your words that do not have any basis in truth or God's WORD.

I have already answered all your posts with scripture that disagrees with you. You are free to follow your own religion. I do not judge you. Your salvation is between you and God.

If you believe you have posted scripture that I have not addressed post it up. Maybe I missed it and let's discuss it. However, I do expect you to respond to my posts and the scriptures and questions in them not not ignore them like you normally do.

Simply saying something is wrong when you have no scripture to support your teaching or can you adress the scriptures that disagree with your teaching does not make it so because you say so. This is simply stating your words over God's WORD.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the traditions and teachings of men that break the commandments of God.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

You are only avoiding what the scriptures say, and the questions I have asked.

Repeating the same old scriptures from the Old Testament only reveals your ignorance of what is required under the new covenant.

Do you put to death Sabbath violators? No.

Do you sacrifice animals? No.


No one has said God’s fourth commandment is abolished.

The way we keep the fourth commandment is what has changed.

Is the Sabbath a day that you esteem over other days?

It’s a yes or no question?


One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.
Romans 14:5-6



As I said before, I don’t advocate the keeping of Sunday.


What has changed is how we keep the Sabbath. Under the law of Moses there were specific ordinances that were to be observed.


Do you observe the Sabbath according to the law of Moses?


I didn’t think so.


Now we must find what Jesus and the Apostles commanded as to how to keep the Sabbath, under grace, rather than how it was kept, under the law of Moses.


Since you have no scriptures, from the New Testament that commands the Church to gather on The Sabbath, then you have simply become just another false teacher, promoting a man made theology, whose focus is on telling everyone that they have to gather on the Sabbath, rather than any other day of the week, or they will go to hell.



11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 1:11-17

• So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths

You have no scriptural proof of any command anywhere in the New Testament to gather on the Sabbath.


You must repent of promoting heresy, or you will not inherit the kingdom of God.



JLB

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You are only avoiding what the scriptures say, and the questions I have asked.

Repeating the same old scriptures from the Old Testament only reveals your ignorance of what is required under the new covenant.

Do you put to death Sabbath violators? No.

Do you sacrifice animals? No.


No one has said God’s fourth commandment is abolished.

The way we keep the fourth commandment is what has changed.

Is the Sabbath a day that you esteem over other days?

It’s a yes or no question?


One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.
Romans 14:5-6



As I said before, I don’t advocate the keeping of Sunday.


What has changed is how we keep the Sabbath. Under the law of Moses there were specific ordinances that were to be observed.


Do you observe the Sabbath according to the law of Moses?


I didn’t think so.


Now we must find what Jesus and the Apostles commanded as to how to keep the Sabbath, under grace, rather than how it was kept, under the law of Moses.


Since you have no scriptures, from the New Testament that commands the Church to gather on The Sabbath, then you have simply become just another false teacher, promoting a man made theology, whose focus is on telling everyone that they have to gather on the Sabbath, rather than any other day of the week, or they will go to hell.



11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 1:11-17

• So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths

You have no scriptural proof of any command anywhere in the New Testament to gather on the Sabbath.


You must repent of promoting heresy, or you will not inherit the kingdom of God.



JLB

Now JBL, all your doing is re-posting the same old posts that have been adressed many times with scripture that disagree with your teachings in relation to God's LAW.

You ignore all my posts and scriptures that are sent to you and the questions in these posts. I am happy to link all these posts up for you to see if you like as you know, I have done this before quite a few times already and you simply choose to ignore all these linked posts and scriptures in them that disagree with you.

Now my friend I am happy to make a new agreement with you. How about we both agree to adress each others posts (in detail) anwering all the scriptures provided as well as all the questions asked.

If you agree to this I am happy to continue our discussion otherwise we may need to agree to disagree as all you do is ignore all my posts to you and simple c&p the same old things I have already addressed in detail with scripture and ignore all the questions I ask you.

Do you agree to these terms for a detailed discussion examining all the scriptures we both put forward?

YES/NO?

Now if you decline my offer here it only shows you have not come here for a discussion but only to promote your traditions that break the commandments of God (4th commandment).

What will it be, will you accept my invitation YES or NO?

 

[JLB777]

Now JBL, all your doing is re-posting the same old posts that have been adressed many times with scripture that disagree with your teachings in relation to God's LAW.

You ignore all my posts and scriptures that are sent to you and the questions in these posts. I am happy to link all these posts up for you to see if you like as you know, I have done this before quite a few times already and you simply choose to ignore all these linked posts and scriptures in them that disagree with you.

Now my friend I am happy to make a new agreement with you. How about we both agree to adress each others posts (in detail) anwering all the scriptures provided as well as all the questions asked.

If you agree to this I am happy to continue our discussion otherwise we may need to agree to disagree as all you do is ignore all my posts to you and simple c&p the same old things I have already addressed in detail with scripture and ignore all the questions I ask you.

Do you agree to these terms for a detailed discussion examining all the scriptures we both put forward?

YES/NO?

Now if you decline my offer here it only shows you have not come here for a discussion but only to promote your traditions that break the commandments of God (4th commandment).

What will it be, will you accept my invitation YES or NO?

I have posted several scriptures from the new testament with none from you, that substantiates your claim that the Church is commanded to gather on the Sabbath to worship Jesus.


Just post one scripture that you believe shows us a command from the Lord to gather on the Sabbath to worship Jesus.




JLB

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I have posted several scriptures from the new testament with none from you, that substantiates your claim that the Church is commanded to gather on the Sabbath to worship Jesus.


Just post one scripture that you believe shows us a command from the Lord to gather on the Sabbath to worship Jesus.

JLB

I see so I geuss that is a NO you do not wish to accept my invitation discuss the scriptures and respond to my posts. I can understand why there is a lot of scripture that disagrees with you. Maybe you can pray about it at home.

If your not able to discuss the scriptures with me then you are free to believe and do as you wish. It is your religion and belief and your salvation is between you and God.

However if there is not one scripture in the entire bible my friend that says God's 4th Commandments is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day and God's WORD says that we break ANY ONE of God's 10 Commandments we stand before God guilty of SIN (James 2:8-12) and that those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN (Hebrews 10:26-27; 6:4-8; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10).

It would be a very brave man that would be prepared to stand before God come judgement day. We will have to agree to disagree.

You salvation is between you and God alone.

 

[JLB777]

I see so I geuss that is a NO you do not wish to accept my invitation discuss the scriptures and respond to my posts. I can understand why there is a lot of scripture that disagrees with you. Maybe you can pray about it at home.

If your not able to discuss the scriptures with me then you are free to believe and do as you wish. It is your religion and belief and your salvation is between you and God.

However if there is not one scripture in the entire bible my friend that says God's 4th Commandments is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day and God's WORD says that we break ANY ONE of God's 10 Commandments we stand before God guilty of SIN (James 2:8-12) and that those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN (Hebrews 10:26-27; 6:4-8; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10).

It would be a very brave man that would be prepared to stand before God come judgement day. We will have to agree to disagree.

You salvation is between you and God alone.

None of these scripture “references”, since you didn’t post any scripture, mention observing days of the week or the Sabbath.

Looks like the jig is up for you.

No scripture.

No true doctrine.


You have been exposed for promoting a man made doctrine.


One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. Romans 14:5-6



As I said before, I don’t advocate the keeping of Sunday.


What has changed is how we keep the Sabbath. Under the law of Moses there were specific ordinances that were to be observed.


Do you observe the Sabbath according to the law of Moses?


I didn’t think so.


Now we must find what Jesus and the Apostles commanded as to how to keep the Sabbath, under grace, rather than how it was kept, under the law of Moses.


Since you have no scriptures, from the New Testament that commands the Church to gather on The Sabbath, then you have simply become just another false teacher, promoting a man made theology, whose focus is on telling everyone that they have to gather on the Sabbath, rather than any other day of the week, or they will go to hell.



11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Colossians 1:11-17

• So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths

You have no scriptural proof of any command anywhere in the New Testament to gather on the Sabbath.


You must repent of promoting heresy, or you will not inherit the kingdom of God.



JLB

 

[LoveGodsWord]

None of these scripture “references”, since you didn’t post any scripture, mention observing days of the week or the Sabbath.

Looks like the jig is up for you.

No scripture.

No true doctrine.


You have been exposed for promoting a man made doctrine.


One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. Romans 14:5-6



As I said before, I don’t advocate the keeping of Sunday.


What has changed is how we keep the Sabbath. Under the law of Moses there were specific ordinances that were to be observed.


Do you observe the Sabbath according to the law of Moses?


I didn’t think so.


Now we must find what Jesus and the Apostles commanded as to how to keep the Sabbath, under grace, rather than how it was kept, under the law of Moses.


Since you have no scriptures, from the New Testament that commands the Church to gather on The Sabbath, then you have simply become just another false teacher, promoting a man made theology, whose focus is on telling everyone that they have to gather on the Sabbath, rather than any other day of the week, or they will go to hell.



11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Colossians 1:11-17

• So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths

You have no scriptural proof of any command anywhere in the New Testament to gather on the Sabbath.


You must repent of promoting heresy, or you will not inherit the kingdom of God.



JLB

Some interesting scriptures for consideration by all.

Some were told by the one who knows all things; Hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and not perceive: this was because of a waxed heart that had no feelings that effected the eyes and the ears which confused the understanding.

This was the delusion that all fall into that kick against the pricks and have lost or broken their mirror. Their lamp was a light to them but they did not have enough oil. Their lamp then went out and now they sit in darkness.

Light is come into the world, to save those who sit in darkness and have lost their way because the road is narrow many lose their way but many love darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

What do you think these scriptures mean?

Speaking our own words over God's WORD does not make the WORD of God dissappear.

It is the WORD of GOD that will be our judge come judgement day.

SIN will keep all those who KNOWINGLY practice it out of God's KINGDOM.

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[JLB777]

Some interesting scriptures for consideration by all.

Some were told by the one who knows all things; Hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and not perceive: this was because of a waxed heart that had no feelings that effected the eyes and the ears which confused the understanding.

This was the delusion that all fall into that kick against the pricks and have lost or broken their mirror. Their lamp was a light to them but they did not have enough oil. Their lamp then went out and now they sit in darkness.

Light is come into the world, to save those who sit in darkness and have lost their way because the road is narrow many lose their way but many love darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

What do you think these scriptures mean?

Speaking our own words over God's WORD does not make the WORD of God dissappear.

It is the WORD of GOD that will be our judge come judgement day.

SIN will keep all those who KNOWINGLY practice it out of God's KINGDOM.

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Still no commands from Jesus to gather on the Sabbath to worship Him.


Heres mine.


One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. Romans 14:5-6



As I said before, I don’t advocate the keeping of Sunday.


What has changed is how we keep the Sabbath. Under the law of Moses there were specific ordinances that were to be observed.


Do you observe the Sabbath according to the law of Moses?


I didn’t think so.


Now we must find what Jesus and the Apostles commanded as to how to keep the Sabbath, under grace, rather than how it was kept, under the law of Moses.


Since you have no scriptures, from the New Testament that commands the Church to gather on The Sabbath, then you have simply become just another false teacher, promoting a man made theology, whose focus is on telling everyone that they have to gather on the Sabbath, rather than any other day of the week, or they will go to hell.



11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Colossians 1:11-17

• So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths

You have no scriptural proof of any command anywhere in the New Testament to gather on the Sabbath.


You must repent of promoting heresy, or you will not inherit the kingdom of God.



JLB

 

[Bob S]

I am going to be posting soon on the IDL in a new thread, feel free to read through it at that time.

Good, I sure cannot get LGW to respond.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You must repent of promoting heresy, or you will not inherit the kingdom of God. JLB

Hello JBL,

Since you are not interested in a discussion on the scriptures and only ignore all the posts and scriptuers provided to you then you are free to believe as you wish. Your salvation is between you and God.

Here is a list of all the posts and scriptures and questions in them that disagree with your teachings that you have chosen to ignore neither do you respond to. These are a witness against you that your posts and questions have been answered and you only c&p the same thing over and over without adressing or respond to the posts and scriptures from God's WORD that disagree with your interpretation of the scrptures.

Here is a list of the posts that you have chosen to simply ignore that provide scripture from God's WORD that disagree with your teachings neither have you responded to them but simply c&p your same posts that hae already been answered...

YOUR ANSWERED QUESTION how does the New Testament instruct us to keep the Sabbath under the New Covenant? 1/2 linked

YOUR ANSWERED QUESTION how does the New Testament instruct us to keep the Sabbath under the New Covenant? 2/2 linked

YOUR ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE QUESTION THAT WAS ANSWERED WITH SCRIPTURE linked

YOUR DENIAL OF THE SCRIPTURE PROVIDED TO YOU linked

ROMANS 14? IS NOT ABOUT GOD'S SABBATH; LETS LOOK AT THE SCRIPTURES linked

MIXING UP THE COVENANT LAWS PART 1/2 linked

MIXING UP THE COVENANT LAWS PART 2/2 linked

MIXING UP THE SHADOW LAWS OF COL 2 WITH GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS (see PARTS 1/5)

YOUR CLAIMS THAT NONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED PART 1/3 linked

YOUR CLAIMS THAT NONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED PART 2/3 linked

YOUR CLAIMS THAT NONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED PART 3/3 linked

THE UNANSWERED QUESTION ASKED OF YOU PART 1/2

THE UNANSWERED QUESTION ASKED OF YOU PART 2/2

YOUR CLAIM THE GOD MADE NO COMMANDMENT TO WORSHIP GOD ON SATURDAY OR SUNDAY

GOD'S LAW INCLUDING THE 4TH COMMANDMENT TAUGHT BY JESUS AND THE APOSTLES linked

PAUL KEEPING THE SABBATH WITH BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES

YOU CLAIM THE 10 COMMANDMENTS APPLY TO THE CHRUCH YET DENY THE 4th

YOUR REFUSAL TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SCRIPTURES PART 1/2

YOUR REFUSAL TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SCRIPTURES PART 2/2

YOUR REFUSAL TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SCRIPTURE PART 3/3

There are other posts but there is too many posts and scriptures linked here from the WORD of GOD that disagree with your teachings so no need to add anything further.

Heresy is a teaching that disregards the WORD of GOD. Clearly the linked posts above tell the story of all the scriptures you have ignored in order to follow the traditions of men that break the Commandments of God.

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).



..

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Good, I sure cannot get LGW to respond.

You have been responded to. The IDL does not break the 7 day week cycle and the rotation of the earth that makes up the days appointed by scripture.

 

[Bob S]

You have been responded to. The IDL does not break the 7 day week cycle and the rotation of the earth that makes up the days appointed by scripture.

Are you sure you are correct? The weekly Sabbath hours started at sundown where the law was given. Since the date line it starts a little East of New Zealand. Tell us how you could possibly be observing the correct time sequence.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Are you sure you are correct? The weekly Sabbath hours started at sundown where the law was given. Since the date line it starts a little East of New Zealand. Tell us how you could possibly be observing the correct time sequence.

Apologies Bob, my side. I did not read your question correctly. I thought you were asking a Calander question.

To be honest I have not studied this topic before as I have not known anything about it.

I do not normally use wiki that much but came across an interesting Jewish article in regards to the Sabbath, the Jewish dateline (they have their own) and the international date line you may be interested in.

Seems the current dateline is similar to the one the Jews use to observe Sabbath in different parts o the world; linked click me.

Seems Australia is in the right location or close to according to the Jewish rulings. Some islands may be effected however according to the Jewish dateline *not IDL.

The Sabbath was given in the Garden of Eden no one knows where that is. (eg man was made on the 6th day the Sabbath on the 7th day is the first Sabbath). God's people have always had the Sabbath and kept it every 7 days according to the weekly cycle.

 

[JLB777]

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man

I don’t promote Sunday worship, so why do you keep repeating this?

Because you have no scriptures that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath.


I have given three scriptures that show us that the Sabbath is not a commandment for the Church to gather and worship Jesus.

If you think in your mind, that you are under the law of Moses, then you can certainly try and keep the law of Moses, which of course includes traveling to Jerusalem three times a year, and putting to death those who violate the Sabbath, as well as sacrificing animals for your sins.


Have you Been circumcised?

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 1:11-17

• So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths

You have no scriptural proof of any command anywhere in the New Testament to gather on the Sabbath.



JLB

 

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Now JBL, all your doing is re-posting the same old posts that have been adressed many times with scripture that disagree with your teachings in relation to God's LAW.

You ignore all my posts and scriptures that are sent to you and the questions in these posts. I am happy to link all these posts up for you to see if you like as you know, I have done this before quite a few times already and you simply choose to ignore all these linked posts and scriptures in them that disagree with you.

All this means is he doesn't agree with you.

Now my friend I am happy to make a new agreement with you. How about we both agree to adress each others posts (in detail) anwering all the scriptures provided as well as all the questions asked.

If you agree to this I am happy to continue our discussion otherwise we may need to agree to disagree as all you do is ignore all my posts to you and simple c&p the same old things I have already addressed in detail with scripture and ignore all the questions I ask you.

Do you agree to these terms for a detailed discussion examining all the scriptures we both put forward?

YES/NO?

Now if you decline my offer here it only shows you have not come here for a discussion but only to promote your traditions that break the commandments of God (4th commandment).

You're not here to discuss anything as your posts prove.

 

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I see so I geuss that is a NO you do not wish to accept my invitation discuss the scriptures and respond to my posts. I can understand why there is a lot of scripture that disagrees with you. Maybe you can pray about it at home.

If your not able to discuss the scriptures with me then you are free to believe and do as you wish. It is your religion and belief and your salvation is between you and God.

However if there is not one scripture in the entire bible my friend that says God's 4th Commandments is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day and God's WORD says that we break ANY ONE of God's 10 Commandments we stand before God guilty of SIN (James 2:8-12) and that those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN (Hebrews 10:26-27; 6:4-8; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10).

It would be a very brave man that would be prepared to stand before God come judgement day. We will have to agree to disagree.

You salvation is between you and God alone.

Have you read John 5:24?

 

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Some interesting scriptures for consideration by all.

Some were told by the one who knows all things; Hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and not perceive: this was because of a waxed heart that had no feelings that effected the eyes and the ears which confused the understanding.

This was the delusion that all fall into that kick against the pricks and have lost or broken their mirror. Their lamp was a light to them but they did not have enough oil. Their lamp then went out and now they sit in darkness.

Light is come into the world, to save those who sit in darkness and have lost their way because the road is narrow many lose their way but many love darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

What do you think these scriptures mean?

Speaking our own words over God's WORD does not make the WORD of God dissappear.

It is the WORD of GOD that will be our judge come judgement day.

SIN will keep all those who KNOWINGLY practice it out of God's KINGDOM.

No 1 here wants your religion. Indeed it's people like that make evangelizing the lost very difficult because it closes many ears.

 

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I don’t promote Sunday worship, so why do you keep repeating this?

Because you have no scriptures that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath.


I have given three scriptures that show us that the Sabbath is not a commandment for the Church to gather and worship Jesus.

If you think in your mind, that you are under the law of Moses, then you can certainly try and keep the law of Moses, which of course includes traveling to Jerusalem three times a year, and putting to death those who violate the Sabbath, as well as sacrificing animals for your sins.

Have fun with that.
JLB

Hi JBL, none of that is true.

Please show me from scripture alone where it says God's 4th Commandment is now abolished. You have not provided a single scripture or have you answered and scriptures provided to you that disagree with your teachings. You have just simply ignored them and repeated yourself.

God's Word disagrees with you linked CLICK ME.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

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Hello JBL,

Since you are not interested in a discussion on the scriptures and only ignore all the posts and scriptuers provided to you then you are free to believe as you wish. Your salvation is between you and God.

Isn't true. You're seeking conversion from grace to law and your church.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Isn't true. You're seeking conversion from grace to law and your church.

Not at all friend your making things up, prove it.