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Featured GOD'S NAME - IS IT IMPORTANT?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by LoveGodsWord, Jan 11, 2021.

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  1. lazyservantofYahweh

    lazyservantofYahweh New Member

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    May Yahweh Yahuwshua be praised for the opportunity to share His name more clearly and openly! Wouldn't you say that if scripture such as Acts 10:43 or "gospel or john" (glad tidings of Yahuwhanan) 1:12 say that we receive liberation from our errors and become His children by calling on His name, that it is essential that we accurately profess Him in Truth? YES, it is important that we should profess His correct names. "God" is proven to mean Fortune-distributor (see Strong's Concordance Hebrew entry 1409/1408) so "God" means "demon" (fortune distributor in Greek), a babylonian demon. Instead, let us profess the name of the Father and Son purely: Yahuwshua died on the gallows-cross for our errors and He resurrected, and He IS Yahweh! There are many titles for Him but not many names. Please visit www.yahuwshua.org to learn more a out how we shall be delivered by professing His true names: Yahweh Yahuwshua, accepting no substitute, and living for Him.
     
  2. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    Oh no, not another one!! Another "sacred namer"! SMH
     
  3. HARK!

    HARK! Well-Known Member Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Lets break this down.

    Below is a chart depicting the evolution if the Hebrew aleph bet, with the corresponding phonetics of Ancient Hebrew:

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    (CLV) Ps 118:14
    Yah is my Strength and my Melody, And He became mine for salvation.

    David is talking about YHWH in this verse.

    Here is the Modern Hebrew rendering of Yah:

    יָהּ
    Yod, Kamatz, He.

    YAH

    Now let's suppose that the Modern Hebrew rendering is incorrect. We'll eliminate the kamatz; and go with the original rendering.

    יה

    Let's look at the yad (י) first.

    In Ancient Hebrew, it will make either the EE sound, as in:

    eeahshua;

    or it will make the Y sound as in:

    Yahshua.

    The effect is the same either way.

    Now let's look at the Hey.

    It either makes the H sound, which would be a practically silent consonant, yielding:

    eehshua;

    or it would make an AH sound yielding:

    Yahshua.

    Yeshua is a modern corruption of our Messiah's excellent name.
     
  4. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    Ah huh...believe what you want. You are going from Yah to Yahshua and trying to make them fit. I already explained that to you but you are not listening. The name “Yeshua” is widely attested in Jewish sources, the spelling/pronunciation of “Yahshua” is not attested at all. You still have not answered my questions to you...BTW, why don't you use "Yahushua" like your website spells it instead of your use of "Yashua"? There is a vav in the other spelling...
     
  5. HARK!

    HARK! Well-Known Member Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    There is no vav in Ancient Hebrew. It's waw. I guess that you didn't watch the video that I presented by Allan Horvath.
     
  6. LoveGodsWord

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    There are many names (names and titles are interchangeable descriptions of God's character of which a names represents; see OP examples) for God because names a descriptive of God's character. The tetragrammaton YHWH strictly speaking Yahweh, is the only proper name for God in the old testament. That is why no single name can describe God because God is God and God is unnameable. Various translations of the Hebrew are translated into different languages to reflect understanding of the sacred text meanings. It seems that what you are trying to promote here is that anyone that does not use a single name that original scriptures state in the Hebrew language that may be foreign to other countries is not saved but lost. This is not in line with what the scriptures teach in James 4:17 and Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and losing the original meaning and intent of the names being used to describe God which is based on the meanings of the names used and not necessarily the names themselves divorced of their meanings. This understanding in my view is against scripture and contrary to it in my view.
     
  7. LoveGodsWord

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    HARK! What does it really matter if you know JESUS/JOSHUA (English translation) having the same meaning to Yahweh saves and that this points to JESUS (English translation) as YHWH? What you seem to be sharing is like focusing so much on the leaves your missing the trees and the forest. Jesus puts it in different words of course in *Matthew 23:24. I think we are losing sight of who the name points to in this discussion to be honest. Jesus taught us how to pray to our heavenly father and that he (Jesus and the father) are YHWH. Now what is your problem with people understanding and following this when it is what God's Word says?
     
  8. HARK!

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    If that works for you; OK. I prefer to remain objective, and to continuously seek out the truth.

    If I'm not mistaken, you said that you believe that Yahshua's name is Theophoric. Do you believe that or not?

    Do you believe that The hyphenated/poetic for of YHWH's name is "Ye?"

    Here is a list of Theophoric names that I was working on years ago:

    Abiyah (Yah is my father)
    Achiyah (Yah is my brother)
    Adoniyah (Yah is my master)
    Eliyah (Yah is my Elohim)
    Hodiyah (Yah is my majesty)
    Isayah (Salvation is Yah)
    Malchiyah (Yah is my king)
    Tobiyah (Yah is my goodness)
    Uriyah (Yah is my light)
    Yahshua (Yah is salvation)
    Yeremiyah (Yah will exalt)
    Yiriyah (Yah sees me)

    Do you disagree with the pronunciation of all of these names; or maybe you just single our Messiah's name out?
     
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  9. HARK!

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    That's a completely unfounded statement.

    YHWH is a he, not a they.

    Source: The Bible
     
  10. LoveGodsWord

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    Of course you are free to believe as you wish. I prefer the bible...

    John 10:30-42 I And My Father Are One

    Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image", according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

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    God in the Old Testament YHWH

    1. I AM (Exodus 3:14–15; Isaiah 48:12)
    2. The Shepherd (Psalm 23:1)
    3. The Light (Psalm 27:1)
    4. The Rock (Psalm 18:2)
    5. Ruler of all (Isaiah 9:6)
    6. Judge of all nations (Joel 3:12)
    7. The Bridegroom (Isaiah 62:5; Hosea 2:16)
    8. God’s Word never passes away (Isaiah 40:8)
    9. The Sower (Jeremiah 31:27; Ezra 34:9)
    10. First and the Last (Isaiah 48:12)

    Jesus’ Reference to Himself as YHWH

    1. I AM (John 8:58)
    2. The Shepherd (John 10:11)
    3. The Light (John 8:12)
    4. The Rock (Matthew 7:24)
    5. Ruler of all (Matthew 28:18)
    6. Judge of all (John 5:22)
    7. The Bridegroom (Matthew 25:1)
    8. Jesus’ words never pass away (Mark 13:31)
    9. The Sower (Matthew 13:3–9)
    10. First and the Last (Revelation 1:17–18)

    Are you sure Jesus is not YHWH dear friend? Let me know if you need more scripture.
     
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  11. HARK!

    HARK! Well-Known Member Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    YHWH's name appears in the scripture approximately 7000 times. Why do you use vague references to construct this convoluted tale?

    I did a simple keyword search using the words "YHWH" and "they." Guess what. I couldn't find one reference in scripture calling YHWH a "they," zero, none.

    I did a simple keyword search using the words "YHWH" and "he." Guess what. The results were copious.

    You might try looking at all of YHWH's word, for understanding. That works much better than starting with doctrine, then cherry picking verses to support the doctrine.
     
  12. LoveGodsWord

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    So the interpretation of what you posted here in response to the scriptures shared with you is that you have no scripture to support your view and you deny Gods Words that are shared with you that disagree with you with your words that are not Gods' Word but yours? Of course you are free to believe as you wish. As posted earlier I prefer God's Word which are not my words but God's. Who do you think JESUS is calling himself in John 8:58 and why were the Jews seeking to stone him? Many more scriptures you simply hand waived away because they disagree with your teaching. Perhaps you should go look them up as they are Gods' Word dear friend not my words.
     
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  13. HIM

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    It is not that simple.
     
  14. HARK!

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    The scripture you posted does not disagree with me. Your understanding of the scripture that you posted disagrees with every direct reference to YHWH, by name, in the Bible.

    My friend, the burden of proof is not on me to prove my case. I have refuted your case. You made the initial assertion. The onus of proof falls on the person who made the initial assertion. You have failed to prove that assertion. You can do that. Show me one verse in scripture, where YHWH is mentioned by name, where he (singular) is referred to as "they" (plural).

    I'll be waiting; but I won't be holding my breath.

    Your move.
     
  15. HARK!

    HARK! Well-Known Member Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    What's not that simple?
     
  16. LoveGodsWord

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    Sure they disagree with you. For example I asked you in regards to the very first scripture from the 20 posted (10 old testament corresponding to the 10 in the new testament fulfilled in Jesus) who do you think JESUS is calling himself in John 8:58 and why were the Jews seeking to stone him? You refused to answer this question and simply ignored the scriptures shared with you. If you are honest you will see I am only telling you the truth (scripture) and if I tell you the truth why do you not believe me? They are God's Word not mine and God's Word is truth *John 17:17. The Jews in denying God's Word in Jesus day when confronted with scripture closed their eyes and ears to hearing God's Word in fulfillment of Isaiah 6:9-10; Matthew 13:13-15; Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27. Of course no one can make people see what they do not want to see. Let's not make the same mistake. Something we should all pray about I guess dear friend.
     
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  17. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Yeah I did, he is wrong on many levels. Vav is Hebrew, Waw is Arabic
     
  18. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    Then you would listen to what I am telling you. Yah in ALL of those names are used as a SUFFIX (correct Hebrew grammar)...your "Yahshua" is the ONLY one that uses it as a PREFIX (not Hebrew grammar). Yes, Yeshua is theophoric...the correct use of Hebrew grammar. No, I do not believe that the poetic form is "Ye". Again, you still never answered my question to you...
     
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  19. HARK!

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    Waw is Ancient Hebrew, before it was infused with Yiddish.
     
  20. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    No it isn't, it is Arabic...but in this discussion it really does not matter. Yemenite and other Arabic speaking Jews use W when using Hebrew. Levi to Lewi? Navi to Nawi?
     
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