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Featured GOD'S NAME - IS IT IMPORTANT?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by LoveGodsWord, Jan 11, 2021.

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  1. Agallagher

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    Philippians 2:9 Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, 10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth

    have a great day! God bless.
     
  2. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    Nehemia Gordon on the Name of God - Nehemia's Wall
     
  3. HARK!

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    I've seen his arguments. I'm not a Gordon fan.
     
  4. HARK!

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    It seems that you have joined the fight. I view that propagation of falsehoods, concerning his kadosh name, as being in a vain way.

    Where do you stand?
     
  5. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    Yet you posted HIS site (Karaite-Korner) to try to prove your point???
     
  6. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    NO, I am trying to STOP your fight! You are both fighting regarding His Name...
     
  7. LoveGodsWord

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    "I AM"

    Brown-Driver-Briggs
    1 exist, be in existence (i.e. originally have come into existence), כָּלהַֿיּמִים אֲשֶׁר הָיָה 1 Samuel 1:28 all the days which he shall have been (lived, = חַי Genesis 5:5 etc., DrSm), Job 3:16; Isaiah 23:13; often with בְּ local וְכֹל שִׂיחַ הַשָּׂדֶה טֶרֶם יִהְיֶה בָאָרֶץ Genesis 2:5 (J) and there was not yet in the earth any shrub of the field; ׳וּבְאֵלֶּה לֹא הָיָה אִישׁ וגו Numbers 26:64 (P) and among them there was not a man to be found, etc.; also וְלֹא הָיָה כַּיּוֺם הַהוּא לְפָנָיו וְאַחֲרָיו Joshua 10:14 (JE) & there hath not been a day like that before it nor since. compare 2 Samuel 14:25; 1 Kings 18:5; 1 Kings 21:25; 1Ki 23:25; Nehemiah 13:26 +; somewhat weaker, in the frequently introductory clause וַיְהִי אִישׁ now there was a man Judges 13:2; 1 Samuel 1:1; 1 Samuel 9:1; Numbers 9:6 (P), Job 1:1 +; on אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה Exodus 3:14 see יהוֺה.

    Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H1961
    היה;hâyâh; haw-yaw' A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.

    "YAHWEH"

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    הוהc. 6823 i.e. יַהְוֶה; proper name, of deity Yahweh, the proper name of the God of Israel
    I. יהוה is not used by E in Genesis, but is given Exodus 3:12-15 as the name of the God who revealed Himself to Moses at Horeb, and is explained thus : אֶהְיֶה עִמָּ֑ךְ I shall be with thee (Exodus 3:12), which is then implied in אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה I shall be the one who will be it Exodus 3:14a (i.e: with thee Exodus 3:12) and then compressed into אֶהְיֶה Exodus 3:14b (i.e. with thee Exodus 3:12), which then is given in the nominal form יהוה He who will be it Exodus 3:15 (i.e. with thee Exodus 3:12). compare EwBTh ii. 337, 338 RSl.c., Proph. 385 ff. Other interpretations are: I am he who I am, i.e. it is no concern of yours (Le Clerc LagPsalt.Hieron.156); I am (this is my name), inasmuch as I am (אֲשֶׁר = כִּי; AE JDMich WeJD Th xxi, 540 = compare Hexateuch 72); Di and others I am who I am, he who is essentially unnameable, inexplicable, — E uses יהוה sparingly by the side of אלהים and האלהים in his subsequent narrative. The Ephraimitic writers in Judges Samuel Kings use it in similar proportions. P abstains from the use of יהוה until he gives an account of its revelation to Moses Exodus 6:3; but subsequently uses it freely. He gives no explanation of its meaning. He represents that אֵל שַׁדַּי was the God of the patriarchs. J uses יהוה from the beginning of his narrative, possibly explaining it, Genesis 21:83 by אל עולם, the evergreen tamarisk being a symbol of the ever-living God; compare De Genesis 21:33. Elsewhere יהוה is the common divine name in pre-exilic writers, but in post-exilic writers gradually falls into disuse, and is supplanted by אלהים and אדני. In Job it is used 31 t. in prose parts, and Job 12:9 (a proverb); not elsewhere in the poem. Chronicles apart from his sources prefers אלהים and האלהים. Daniel uses יהוה only in chap. 9 (7 t.); Ecclesiastes not at all. In the Elohistic group of Psalm 42-83 it is used 39 t. (see אלהים) . It occurs as the name of Israel's God MI18. It is doubtful whether it was used by other branches of the Shemitic family, compare COT Genesis 2:4b DlPa 158 ff. DrStud. Bib. i. 7 ff.

    A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible
    3068. יְהֹוָה Yehôvâh, yeh-ho-vaw´; from 1961; (the) self-Existent or Eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God:—Jehovah, the Lord. comp. 3050, 3069.

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    I am sorry dear fiend, we will have to agree to disagree. I agree with @Yeshua HaDerekh. I am not interested in fighting with you on the name of God, HARK!. If you want to have a friendly discussion it is ok but if you want to argue, then I am not interested but thank you for sharing your view. I have already stated in the OP already that the tetragrammaton YHWH translated to Yahweh, is the only proper name for God in the old testament. The OP is only showing that God has many names because he is God because he cannot be described in a single name because he is God and has many names, nothing more.
     
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  8. LoveGodsWord

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    Good scripture Agallagher thanks for sharing this. What is the name above all names?
     
  9. Randy777

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    We don't know "Jesus's" real name. I have the Spirit of Christ in me and have loved and prayed to Him as far back as my memory goes as I was steered to Christ from my beginning by my Mother. Jesus has responded to my prayers on occasion via the Spirit but has never brought up the name "Jesus" offends Him. In regard to the one "Jesus" calls Father I do likewise. For those that believed in Christ God gave the right that they are called the children of God.

    "His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself."

    The importance is found in believing in Jesus and loving one another as He loved. Not in names.

    As the one we call "Paul" wrote "faith expressing itself through love"
     
  10. LightLoveHope

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    Simple answer, the Lord of All creation answers to His name.
    People do not understand the sin of taking the name of the Lord in vain.

    Imagine if every time someone mentioned your name you appeared there, hearing the conversation and learning about what is going on. And you are God.

    Do you understand how terrible that is if this level of attention is abusive and sinful?
    The Lord gives us great privilege to enter His presence, yet it is often dealt with lightly.

    The Lord is truly loving and supportive, so to dishonour Him is to cause harm to ourselves and this love, which is more precious than gold.

    God bless you
     
  11. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

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    Hi LightLoveHope, thanks for sharing your view. What does it mean to "take the Lords name in vain" to you?
     
  12. HARK!

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    It would appear that some who contributed to HIS site, back in the day, wouldn't agree with his current schtick as well.

    Gorden lost credibility with me when he started promoting יה הוה
     
  13. HARK!

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    If you are coming to me, in an attempt to have me desist from refuting false claims; then you have come to the wrong person.

    If we start with scripture, to support a conclusion; it would be wise to take that conclusion back to scripture, to see if the conclusion is still in agreement with scripture.

    (CLV) Ac 4:12
    And there is not salvation in any other one, for neither is there any other name, given under heaven among men, in which we must be saved."

    YesheYahu (Isa) 43:
    11 I, even I, am YHWH; and beside Me there is no savior

    (CLV) Jn 5:43
    I have come in the name of My Father, and you are not getting Me. If another should be coming in his own name, him you will get.

    Matt 1:20-21
    20 But after he had considered this, an angel of Yahweh appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Yahshua, because he (Yah) will save (Shua) his people from their sins.

    Yah is the hyphenated form of YHWH. Shua, in hebrew, means save.
    Yah-shua means that YHWH saves

    Yahshua

    Exodus 3

    15 Elohim, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ' YHWH, the Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name FOREVER, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.

    Can you show me one verse where our heavenly father gives us another name to be called by?

    (CLV) Ps 105:1
    Acclaim YHWH! Call on His Name! Make known His actions among the peoples!
     
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  14. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Except it does not work that way...the word used would be Yoshia...He will save. Yah is the short poetic form. Have you ever said Havdalah? El Yeshuati...
     
  15. nolidad

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    Gods name is YHWH. We don't know the vowel points. I am convinced He gave that more as a description of HIm than as an actual name! For it means roughly " I am who I am".

    But to answer the questions you asked.

    Q1. What name of God do you use in prayer and why?
    Q2. Does it matter what we name God in your view and why?
    Q3. Can we really put a descriptive name on God if God goes beyond description
    Q4. What does it mean to use God's name in vain? (answered linked)

    1. We pray Father as Jesus instructed (
    Luke 11
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    1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.

    2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

    Q2: Well we pray calling Him father. But He is not going to cast lightening bolts if you say Yahweh or Jehovah or Jihevuh, or Yuhwih. Teh name Jesus is above even the OT name God called HImself!

    Philippians 2:9-11
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    9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

    10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

    11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    Q3 /we use terms like Jehovah -Jireh as a description of what God does for us! Nothing wrong with that.

    Q4: The Hebrew Word used is "shav" which means emptily , for no purpose.

    So taking Gods name in vain is using it like a mantra to try to imitate Hindu Meditation. Or using it like a punctuation mark like som edo. "Dear Father, thank you Lord, Jesus for giving us this day Yahweh, We thank you Jesus for the morning Jesus and the afternoon Jesus and the hope of a good evening Jehovah". I hope you get the point.

    Hope this helps.
     
  16. LoveGodsWord

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    Exactly, that was the point of the OP nolidad, and the conclusion I also made coming from the scriptures. Thanks for sharing,

    God bless.
     
  17. HARK!

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    http://www.bayithamashiyach.com/Hebrew_Interlinear_Mathew.pdf

    The Malach is giving the reason that his name will be Yahshua. That what the word "for" means. It's the reason for his given name.

    Can you show me where YHWH commands this in scripture?
     
  18. LoveGodsWord

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    You do know much of the scriptures you posted here show Jesus to be YHWH right? What false claims did you refute? I am still trying to work that one out to be honest from someone that still believes we are to continue doing animal sacrifice for sin and Jesus is not God.
     
  19. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    LOL, your own site you posted proved my point. Show me one Hebrew name that uses the prefix Yah....his Name will be Yeshua because Yoshia. Havdalah is Jewish Tradition...I could quote you Paul. That was not the point...it is Hebrew grammer that I was showing you. You do know that same website teaches the lunar Sabbath...which I believe you also disagree with??? They also use the Zohar and Talmud, which I believe you also do not agree with?
     
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    I thought that you realized that Hebrew Matthew was written in the 1300's. I thought that you realized that they didn't have the internet back then.

    My bad.

    Nice dodge, sort of.
     
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