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Featured GOD'S NAME - IS IT IMPORTANT?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by LoveGodsWord, Jan 11, 2021.

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  1. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    Shem tov? What is your point?
     
  2. HARK!

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    Look at the rendering of the name that the Malach instructed to be given to messiah by YHWH; then look at the reason.

    If you want to know who "he" is, who will save "his" people;
    YesheYahu 43:11 makes it clear; unless you would believe (Yah forbid) that YHWH contradicts himself.

    YesheYahu (Isa) 43:
    11 I, even I, am YHWH; and beside Me there is no savior
     
  3. LoveGodsWord

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    Isaiah 43:11 I, even I AM YHWH; AND BESIDE ME THERE IS NO SAVIOR

    links to...

    Matthew 1:21 [21], And she shall bring forth a son, and YOU SHALL CALL HIS NAME JESUS; FOR HE SHALL SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS.

    Not sure why you cannot see YHWH is JESUS. If you cannot then you have a big contradiction between the two scriptures that need to be reconciled. Isaiah 43:11 is saying only YHWH is Savior and there is no other Savior, while Matthew 1:21 is stating Jesus is Savior.

    "JESUS"

    Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G2424

    Ἰησοῦς; Iēsous; ee-ay-sooce' Of Hebrew origin [H3091]; Jesus (that is, Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other Israelites: - Jesus.

    [H3091];
    יהושׁוּע יהושׁע ; yehôshûa‛ yehôshûa‛ From H3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved ; Jehoshua (that is, Joshua), the Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare H1954, H3442.

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    Even the Angel is agreeing that Jesus is YHWH in the very scriptures your quoting.

    Hope this is helpful
     
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  4. LightLoveHope

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    Using or calling upon the Lord in an inappropriate way.
    If one would feel ashamed of calling the Lord to a situation, then that is taking the name of the Lord in vain, ie. for show, or verbal expression or exaggeration etc.

    On the negative side it is sinful to mock the Lord or challenge Him to do something that you do not believe He will respond to, in a mocking way, for instance as an atheist.

    Elijah mocked Baal and the prophets of Baal that they were nothing, and useless.
     
  5. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    That has nothing to do with what the correct Hebrew grammar is...
     
  6. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Agree. Also making oaths using His Name.
     
  7. LoveGodsWord

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    That is the point right there.
     
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    What has nothing to do with correct Hebrew grammar?

    Are you suggesting the whoever wrote Hebrew Matthew weren't using correct Hebrew Grammar. What was the correct Hebrew Grammar of that day?

    Are you denying that Yahshua's name is Theophoric?
     
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    So you're saying that this verse doesn't grammatically conform to any of the 14th century Hebrew dialects? I didn't realize that you were that well studied in this field. This is very intriguing. Please break down how this verse is grammatically incorrect for each of the Hebrew dialects of that period; or rather, please give us the correct translation in each dialect for that period. This is the oldest known existing rendering of the Book of Matthew in Hebrew. What manuscript was this manuscript copied from?
     
  10. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    No, I am saying the way YOU said it, it wasn't...it is Hebrew and not English. You are trying to force 1 + 1 to equal 11. Of course it is...YESHUA. YeHoshua is theophoric as is YeHonatan. Theophoric prefixes.
     
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    Perhaps you missed that kamatz following the yod. Let alone the following he.
     
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  12. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Please explain what you are talking about. We were talking about the word Yoshia
     
  13. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    AHHH, I see where your problem is! You are using an "interlinear" version with nikkud! As you can see they are quite different regarding Yeshua...

    Hebrew Gospel of MATTHEW by George Howard - Part One.pdf

    http://192.145.238.185/~torahd5/hrvnt/shem-tob-matthew-118-25/
     
  14. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    No I saw them. The versions I use do not use nikkudim...
     
  15. HARK!

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    I'm talking about Yahshua. What is the root of Yoshia?

    We've established that Yahshua's name is Theophoric; no?

    Do you deny that Yah is the hyphenated form of our heavenly father's name, YHWH?

    If not, add the root of Yoshia, to Yah, for your answer.

    Yah saves, or Yah will save.

    (CLV) Isa 43:11
    I, I am Yahweh, And there is no Saviour apart from Me.

    Yah saves us through Yahshua.
     
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    I think that I see the deeper problem. It seems that you are applying the rules of Modern Hebrew to the phonetics of Ancient Hebrew.
     
  17. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    I think what he was trying to say is that he agrees Yahshua is incorrect and the way it was used was too. It creates the impossible construction of having two inflections in one word, it is just not proper Hebrew.
     
  18. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Again, that is not how Hebrew works. Yes, Yeshua IS theophoric. You tell me how you come to understand "Yah"...this is the poetic form of...???
     
  19. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    No actually. I am not...
     
  20. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    The name “Yeshua” is widely attested in Jewish sources, the spelling/pronunciation of “Yahshua” is not attested at all. It may sound appropriate for "Yah to save" from a theological perspective and to then speculate that His Name might have been "Yahshua", but until some evidence is found to the contrary, the name "Yahshua" exists only in the hypothetical realm. "Yahshua" is only a real name in the minds of those who argue for it...
     
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