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GOD'S LAW AND JUDGEMENT TIME - ARE YOU READY?

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, May 10, 2018.

  1. LoveGodsWord

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    Not really tall, as shown earlier the righteous dead and living a judged first and the wicked are judged afterwards these are references to the first and second resurrections after the judgment.

    JOHN 5:28-29 [28], Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,[29], And shall come forth; they that have done good, to the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation.

    1 CORINTHIANS 15:20-24 [20], But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first fruits of them that slept. [21], For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. [22], For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. [23], But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.[24], Then comes the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

    * Note the link into DANIEL 7 and DANIEL 8 after the judgment and the cleansing of the Sanctuary DANIEL 7:27 [27], And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

    when? 1 CORTHINTHIANS 15:23 at his coming..

    His reward is with him after the completion of the judgment.

    REVELATION 22:11-12 [11], He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. [12], And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

    continues..


    REVELATIONS 20:4-6 [4], And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. [5], But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. [6] Blessed and holy is he that has part in the first resurrection: on such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    1 THESSALONIANS 4:16, For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:[17], Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    1 TIMOTHY 5:24-25 [24], Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after. [25], Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.

    fits quite nicely with the judgment which takes place before the 2nd coming and the two resurrections don't you think?

    DANIEL 7:10 [10], A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered to him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

    DANIEL 7:27 [27], And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

    REVELATION 22:11-12 [11], He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. [12], And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

    It is very clear here that judgment takes place before the 2nd coming not after. As sentances pronounced and God's rewards are with him at the second coming. Two ressurections one at the 2nd coming for God's people and one after. Sins going before and sins
     
  2. tall73

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  3. LoveGodsWord

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    Already have Christs ministry is different to the levitical priesthood. Hebrews 8 and Hebrews 9 discuss this scriptures posted in earlier post showing Christ is sinless therefore Christ can enter the holy place through his own blood and sacrifice. This was posted in reference to Hebrews 1:3
     
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  4. tall73

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    Of course they do. And they also know about Levi being the line of priests. But Jesus was not of Levi.

    Again, what is spelled out we know, what is not we have to infer from the type.
     
  5. LoveGodsWord

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    Hmm read the post above yours in post # 361.
     
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  6. tall73

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    You keep saying Hebrews 8 and 9. You have been asked repeatedly to explain Hebrews 9:23-25....are you going to?
     
  7. LoveGodsWord

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    There is nothing that needs to be spelled out here as Gods has already told us what the cleansing of the Sanctuary entails in Leviticus 16 and 23
     
  8. The7thColporteur

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    You must believe this prayer means nothing then:

    Matthew 6:10 KJB - Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.​

    Things in Heaven are patterned on earth. You must believe that Jesus was never in the Holy Place in Heaven, at all.
     
  9. LoveGodsWord

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    Goodness if you read some of the posts sent you then you would know this has already been addressed ages ago. Scroll back. If I get some time I will do it for you. Hebrews 8 and Hebrews 9 discuss this scriptures posted in earlier post showing Christ is sinless therefore Christ can enter the holy place through his own blood and sacrifice and not of the levitical priesthood. This is not a reference to the day of atonement taking place in the heavenly Sanctuary.

    We are told this takes place well after the establsihment of the little horn and after and the 2300 year/day prophecy of Daniel 8 and Daniel 7:10.
     
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  10. tall73

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    His will being done in earth as in heaven says absolutely zero about what we were talking about.

    The lamps there were identified as the seven churches.
     
  11. tall73

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    Just make sure it actually explains Hebrews 9:23-25.

    And I am reading posts...both yours and T7c at the same time at a rather later hour.

    But I will stop now. Feel free to explain those verses and I will return later.
     
  12. The7thColporteur

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    Jesus was in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks in Heaven. Literally walking in their midst. They symbolized the churches on earth, whom Jesus walks among by His Holy Spirit which was sent down to earth in Revelation 5:6, Acts 2:2,33; Psalms 133:1-3 etc.
     
  13. LoveGodsWord

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    Why they have already been explained earlier.
     
  14. tall73

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    Then link to it.
     
  15. LoveGodsWord

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    Sleepy now too much posting. :sleep:
     
  16. LoveGodsWord

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    Why do I need to scroll back and find it? Let me see if I can find it and repost. Go get some rest nice talking to you. :wave:
     
  17. LoveGodsWord

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    I think we agree that the once and for all sacrifice is already done there is no argument there. I have provided scripture from Hebrews 8 and Hebrews 9 showing that Jesus is not of the levitical priesthood he is sinless and has acess to the Holy place once and for all. There is no disagreement here.

    It is saying that all the above represents the day of atonement (or cleansing of the Sanctuary) at Christs death that we disagree on.

    According to scriptures this has not been completed as demonstrated earlier in Daniel 7 and Daniel 8 as it does not take place until well after the establsihment of the little horn along with the judgment which puts the timeframe well past the death of Jesus.

    You admit this in your own words by admitting earlier that the cleansing of the Sanctuary has not been completed as the sins have not been applied to the scapegoat.
     
  18. LoveGodsWord

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    It is not an issue for me. It shows the judgment takes place before his coming and he brings his reswards at his coming as all cases are decided (Revelations 22:11-12; Daniel 7:10; 1 Corinthians 15:20-24; Daniel 7:27; Daniel 8:13-14)
     
  19. tall73

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    I had already started this earlier, so I will post it now.


    No timing for either is spelled out in John 5 for the two. How do you see this matching up with this where both are present at the throne?

    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

    35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

    42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

    43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

    44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

    45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

    46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.



    His reward is with Him at His coming. But then it pictures a judgment before His throne.


    You cannot bow, confess, give an account, etc. at an IJ you don't even know when your name comes up.


    This applies to those who were martyred and did not receive he mark. The mark does not even go into effect, even by Adventist theology, until a certain point. So how is this all the righteous?

    The dead rise, and then we are caught up.....Hence we do not precede them.

    15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are d]">[d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1


    Some sins are obvious, others not. Has no relation to the IJ. And he mentioned it shortly after saying not to hastily lay on hands.


    Once again, Jesus needs no judgment to bring His rewards with Him. And it shows a judgment of sheep and goats, both before Him.

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  20. tall73

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    I indicate that the portion in the sanctuary has happened, the presentation of blood in God's presence.

    And no, I don't think the scapegoat has happened yet.
    That happens when He leaves the sanctuary.

    It is the portion IN the sanctuary that Ellen White applies to the IJ.

    But the problem is the part in the sanctuary in the type is not a judgment, involves no books, but is a cleansing application of blood in God's presence.

    And that happened in the first century.
     
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