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GOD'S LAW AND JUDGEMENT TIME - ARE YOU READY?

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, May 10, 2018.

  1. tall73

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    It is not an issue for me because Jesus never needed a judgment to know who is getting the reward.
     
  2. tall73

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    Thank you and good night.
     
  3. The7thColporteur

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    Hebrews 9:23-25 KJB, speaks of the pattern of the true Heavenly on earth, which I have a whole thread on - The ARK of the Covenant HAS BEEN FOUND since AD 1844! The Sabbath Commandment [Ex. 20:8-11] is seen!

    You already agreed that there is a "second compartment" [in Heaven] - GOD'S LAW AND JUDGEMENT TIME - ARE YOU READY?

    Your sympathizers on this forum may not agree with you here from what I read of them. What say you BobS, Listed, BugKiller? Do you agree with Tall73 on that?

    Hebrews 9:23 KJB - It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

    Hebrews 9:24 KJB - For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

    Hebrews 9:25 KJB - Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;​

    Hebrews 9:23 KJB, speaks of "the patterns" of "the things in the heavens" [like the actual 7 golden candlesticks as seen in Revelation 1:17-18 KJB], you know that Hebrews 9:23, "the heavenly things themselves". Do you deny that there are actual 7 golden candlesticks in the first compartment? You seem to do just that. Help us out here, really, Tall73. Do you also deny that there there is the Table of Shewbread in Heaven also, and the real Golden Altar and the real Ark of God's eternal Covenant in their respective places? The Throne of Grace is the Table of Shewbread ... it sits on the sides of the north [scriptures upon request].

    Hebrews 9:24 KJB, speaks of Christ Jesus is not entered into the holy places made with [human] hands [ie. an sanctuary on earth]. He entered into the True Sanctuary in Heaven:

    Hebrews 8:2 KJB - A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.​

    Notice that the sanctuary on earth, made by man's hands, are simply "figures" [plural] of the "true".

    Jesus did enter into His Father's presence, see Revelation 1:17-18; Revelation 4:1-5, 5:6 KJB.

    Hebrews 9:25 KJB; Jesus entered into the "holy place" [first compartment]. In order to get to the "second compartment" in the yearly service, an High Priest must first minister in the "first compartment". The types had "the daily" service of the courtyard, then "the daily" of the Holy Place - GOD'S LAW AND JUDGEMENT TIME - ARE YOU READY?

    Jesus in the antitype, "the daily" of the Holy Place takes place in Heaven, the "first compartment", and at the end of the 2,300 days [Daniel 8:13-14,26; Revelation 9:13-15 KJB, etc] goes straight from "the daily" of the Holy Place in the Heavenly into the Yearly antitype, the Day of Atonement.

    This was already explained in the previous verses:

    Hebrews 9:2 KJB - For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

    Hebrews 9:8 KJB - The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:​

    Jesus could not move into the "second compartment" [in Heaven] until the ministration of the "first compartment" [in Heaven] ministration was completed. We see Jesus at the various places in the "first compartment" in Revelation, beginning from the church of Ephesus:

    Revelation 2:1 KJB - Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

    Revelation 1:12 KJB - And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

    [Did John see those 7 golden candlesticks in Heaven or not?]
    Revelation 1:13 KJB - And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
    Yet in the later churches [6 & 7], Jesus is no longer there in the "first compartment", but moved into the "second compartment", following His Father, thus the door opened into the Most Holy Place, and the door closed to the Holy Place [from earth].

    Exodus 30:1 KJB - And thou shalt make an altar to burn incense upon: of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim wood shalt thou make it.

    Exodus 30:3 KJB - And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, the top thereof, and the sides thereof round about, and the horns thereof; and thou shalt make unto it a crown of gold round about.​

    Exodus 30:10 KJB - And Aaron shall make an atonement upon the horns of it once in a year with the blood of the sin offering of atonements: once in the year shall he make atonement upon it throughout your generations: it is most holy unto the LORD.

    Revelation 9:13 KJB - And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

    Revelation 9:14 KJB - Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

    Revelation 9:15 KJB - And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

    Hour - Revelation 14:6-7 KJB
    Day - Leviticus 16:1-34, 23:26-32 KJB
    Month - Leviticus 23:26-32; 1 Kings 8:2 KJB
    Year - Daniel 8:13-14,26; Ezra 6:14, 7:6-28; Daniel 9:24-27, etc KJB.

    Context, Revelation 9:13 KJB, day of atonement; "golden altar" "before God" [thus in Heaven], and "four horns".

    "slay" & 1/3 of men see Ezekiel 9.​
     
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  4. LoveGodsWord

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    This is a parable of the goats and the sheep, like the wheat and the tares unless you believe the separation is for literal goats and sheep all this is saying is there will be God's people and those who are not God's people who will be separated at the 2nd coming. This is decided beforehand as already shown through the scriptures in Revelations 22:11-12
    You may need to get some sleep now as your posts are not making much sense here. But this has already been explained at by the scriptures of the 2nd coming and the two resurrections. Everyone both saints and wicked will indeed bow and receive their awards wheather good or evil.

    Of course you can. There will be two resurrections. One for the dead in Christ and those who are alive and the wicked after the 1000 years

    The dead in Christ are raised at his coming

    1 THESSALONIANS 4:16
    [16], For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    [17], Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
    Of course it does this is talking about the two resurrections of the Saints and the wicked already posted about earlier.
     
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  5. tall73

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    Well just your luck, I couldn't sleep after all.

    And no, this is not a parable.
    Jesus describes the scene quite clearly:

    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations:

    These are described literal events. The Son of Man will sit on His throne with the holy angels with Him, and before Him all nations will be gathered.


    and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    He separates one from another. The reference to sheep and goats is simply a simile. The way He divides them is like someone dividing sheep and goats.


     
  6. tall73

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    Thank you for your concern, but no, it is fine. Jesus brings His reward, then He sorts out the two groups from His throne. And then they get their reward.
     
  7. tall73

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    I tried to clarify this earlier in the thread but I don't think you clarified. So the bowing, the confession, the account, is not at the IJ, but before His throne then, correct? Because that is when the reward is received.
     
  8. tall73

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    I agree, but that did not address the text I had put there. The text I put there was about the first resurrection in Revelation being described for those who were martyred and did not receive the mark.

    That is more particular.
     
  9. tall73

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    In fact, no. I was noting that the throne of grace is comparable to the second compartment in the earthly, which was the mercy seat.

    Hebrews 9 describes the true sanctuary as heaven itself.

    But if He is doing ministry from the mercy seat, that shows He is fulfilling second compartment work in the type.


    Oh, I am sure they agree that Jesus is ministering from the throne of grace His completed and presented sacrifice!

    And actually, most Christians would agree as well.

    Yes, thank you for quoting it. It describes the cleansing of the heavenly things with better than animal blood. Then it describes how Jesus entered, not into the man made, but into heaven itself. He entered to appear for us in God's presence.

    And that entry is compared to the yearly entry of the high priest.

    Glad to help.

    In chapter 1 the 7 lamps are said to be the churches. So that is what they are.

    However, in chapter 4 and 5 we see a scene in which you have the seven Spirits of God, and actual cherubim worshiping Him, rather than representations of them. And there the Father is on the throne, represented by the mercy seat in the earthly.

    These are the true which the earthly is patterned off of.

    2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
    3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
    4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
    5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
    6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
    7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
    8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
    9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
    10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
    11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.




    The shewbread table was not the throne. The following texts illustrate where God met with them, and where His throne was in the earthly:



    Ex 25:21 And you shall put the mercy seat on the top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony that I shall give you.
    22 There I will meet with you, and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim that are on the ark of the testimony, I will speak with you about all that I will give you in commandment for the people of Israel.



    Ex 30:6 And you shall put it in front of the veil that is above the ark of the testimony, in front of the mercy seat that is above the testimony, where I will meet with you.

    Lev 16:2 And the LORD said to Moses, "Tell Aaron your brother not to come at any time into the Holy Place inside the veil, before the mercy seat that is on the ark, so that he may not die. For I will appear in the cloud over the mercy seat.


    Num 7:89 And when Moses went into the tent of meeting to speak with the LORD, he heard the voice speaking to him from above the mercy seat that was on the ark of the testimony, from between the two cherubim; and it spoke to him.


    1Sa 4:4 So the people sent to Shiloh and brought from there the ark of the covenant of the LORD of hosts, who is enthroned on the cherubim. And the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, were there with the ark of the covenant of God.

    2Sa 6:2 And David arose and went with all the people who were with him from Baale-judah to bring up from there the ark of God, which is called by the name of the LORD of hosts who sits enthroned on the cherubim.


    God's presence was above the mercy seat, He was enthroned on the cherubim.
     
  10. The7thColporteur

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    First, "the life" is in "the blood". Thus "the blood" cries out on earth, etc. "the blood" of Abel was the witness against Cain in Genesis, etc. Thus "the blood" of the animals [in which the sin was transferred to] is left as witness/record on the veil. The "blood" carries DNA, a written code, on earth. Thus the "life" is "in" "the blood". The "blood" on earth was to match that which is written in heaven in the 'books' therein. The blood of the animal was to typologically have the 'transferred' sin record of the sinner, and this was brought and placed upon the veil before God, and where the angels were.

    Leviticus 17:11 KJB - For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.​

    Also, "Angels" are on the walls of the Tabernacle, and on the veil before the Most Holy Place.

    Why do you assert that the type, involved no 'books'? The 'books' [records] are in Heaven, not earth. The Angels and God go through the books [records] which have the entire life recorded, as did the blood on earth.

    Even God speaks of one of the books in the matters of judgment:

    Exodus 32:33 KJB - And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

    Isaiah 65:6 KJB - Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,

    Isaiah 65:7 KJB - Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.
    This was already shown you [and it even has the title [Books of Heaven]] - GOD'S LAW AND JUDGEMENT TIME - ARE YOU READY?

    Also the High Priest carried on his chest, the breast plate with the names [charaters] of Israel, as the type:

    Exodus 28:15 KJB - And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.

    Exodus 28:29 KJB - And Aaron shall bear the names of the children of Israel in the breastplate of judgment upon his heart, when he goeth in unto the holy place, for a memorial before the LORD continually.

    Exodus 28:30 KJB - And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim and the Thummim; and they shall be upon Aaron's heart, when he goeth in before the LORD: and Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart before the LORD continually.

    Endless assertions, backed by absolutely no [0, zero, nada, ziltch, nuthin', goose-egg, bubkiss] scripture [KJB]. Do you have testimonies written in your own name? Is there an "early writings of Tall73" that I should read? It denies the type [multiple and differing atonements; Leviticus 4, vs Exodus 30:10; Leviticus 16 & 23] and anti-type, and denies the multiple places in which the sins are not blotted out until just before the second advent of Jesus Christ. Those texts are already provided.
     
  11. tall73

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    And which of the ten tables was the throne in Solomon's temple?

    8 He made also ten tables, and placed them in the temple, five on the right side, and five on the left. And he made an hundred basons of gold.

    19 And Solomon made all the vessels that were for the house of God, the golden altar also, and the tables whereon the shewbread was set;


    The table of shewbread was not the throne.
     
  12. tall73

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    Agreed.

    Both the sacrifice for the sin offerings, etc. and the Day of Atonement, and all the other sacrifices were all wrapped up in one. So He did not need to go through various rounds of ministration as the earthly high priest did. He did not need a protracted daily ministration:

    Hebrews 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
    27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.


    and

    11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
    12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;


    The priest has to stand and offer...but He offered one sacrifice for sins, forever then sat down. The priest never sat because his work was never done. Jesus' work was done. His one sacrifice fulfilled them all, and His once for all entry fulfilled them all, and once He had offered the one sacrifice, He sat down.

    And note, this refers to the ministration of the offering by the priest, not just the killing of the animal. The same as 9:23-25.


    27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

    He fulfilled the sacrifice and presentation already.


    And now we come to Him in real time to get the benefits, where He sits at the throne of grace:

    4:16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.


    The way is already open through the whole sanctuary, and we have been made priests:

    19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

    20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

    21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
    22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water



    And by the time Jesus sat down He had already made purification for sins:


    Hebrews 1:3b when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
     
  13. The7thColporteur

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    Why do you deny the plain scriptures?

    Psalms 48:2 KJB - Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

    Isaiah 14:13 KJB - For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

    Exodus 26:35 KJB - And thou shalt set the table without the vail, and the candlestick over against the table on the side of the tabernacle toward the south: and thou shalt put the table on the north side.

    Revelation 4:5 KJB - And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

    Revelation 5:6 KJB - And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

    Revelation 5:7 KJB - And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

    Revelation 2:1 KJB - Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

    Revelation 1:12 KJB - And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

    Revelation 1:13 KJB - And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.​

    Notice:

    Exodus 25:24 KJB - And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, and make thereto a crown of gold round about.

    Leviticus 24:5 KJB - And thou shalt take fine flour, and bake twelve cakes thereof: two tenth deals shall be in one cake.

    Leviticus 24:6 KJB - And thou shalt set them in two rows, six on a row, upon the pure table before the LORD.

    Leviticus 24:7 KJB - And thou shalt put pure frankincense upon each row, that it may be on the bread for a memorial, even an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

    Deuteronomy 8:3 KJB - And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

    Matthew 4:4 KJB - But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

    Matthew 22:44 KJB - The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

    Matthew 26:64 KJB - Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

    Mark 12:36 KJB - For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

    Mark 14:62 KJB - And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

    Mark 16:19 KJB - So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

    Luke 4:4 KJB - And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

    Luke 20:42 KJB - And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

    Luke 22:69 KJB - Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

    John 6:57 KJB - As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

    John 14:24 KJB - He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

    Acts 2:25 KJB - For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

    Acts 2:33 KJB - Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

    Acts 2:34 KJB - For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

    Acts 5:31 KJB - Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

    Acts 7:55 KJB - But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

    Acts 7:56 KJB - And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

    Romans 8:34 KJB - Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

    Ephesians 1:20 KJB - Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

    Colossians 3:1 KJB - If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

    Hebrews 1:3 KJB - Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

    Hebrews 1:13 KJB - But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

    Hebrews 8:1 KJB - Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

    Hebrews 10:12 KJB - But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

    Hebrews 12:2 KJB - Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

    1 Peter 3:22 KJB - Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

    Revelation 3:21 KJB - To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
    God's Throne in the Holy Place, is represented by the Golden Table of Shewbread.

    The table of shewbread, is the symbol of the Throne of God in the Holy Place, as it was covered in Gold, had a crown [for Kings] molding, and two places for bread, 6 and 6, a place for the Father and Son on the throne, as the Son lives by the word [bread] of the Father, we are to live by the word [bread] of Jesus [John 6:57; Revelation 3:21 KJB], of which the Tree of Light in the Holy place has 6 branches [Exodus 25:32,33,35,37:18,19,21 KJB] out of the central stock, even as it represents the Holy Spirit [Revelation 1:4, 3:1, 4:5, 5:6, 22:17 KJB], and this light [2 Peter 1:19 KJB] coming from Him, is the Spirit of Prophecy [Revelation 19:10 KJB] working in holy men, as they are moved by the Holy Ghost [2 Peter 1:20-21 KJB], thus the number 6 is the number of man [Genesis 1:26-31 KJB]. We can see the golden candlesticks in Revelation 1:12-13,20, 4:1-5, 5:6 KJB in the Holy Place of the Heavenly Sanctuary.

    The Ark of God, represents the Throne of God in the Most Holy Place. The throne of God has wheels [Ezekiel 1:16,19,20,21, 10:2,6,9,12,13,16,19 KJB] and is movable [Daniel 7:9; Revelation 4:2 KJB]
     
  14. The7thColporteur

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    Not speaking about the once for all sacrifice. Speaking about the differing timings of the differing ministrations of that once for all sacrifice. You have confused the two things. I already demonstrated the "daily" ministration of Jesus, in this very thread, which again, you ignore.
     
  15. The7thColporteur

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    You must still be sleep-typing. Dead in trespasses and in sins [1 John 3:4 KJB] ...
     
  16. LoveGodsWord

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    I see people are praying for you as you cannot sleep? :)

    Sorry tall, unless you believe in literal sheep and goats and wheat and tares being saved and separated at the second coming then this is indeed a parable.

    Does the parable have some application to the 2nd coming and the judgment? Sure it does. The parable only states however that at the second coming the sheep and the goats are separated. This is because the fate of all have already been decided beforehand in the judgment which takes place BEFORE the second coming when the annoncement is made...

    REVELATION 22:11-12 [11], He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he that is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. [12], And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

    Hope this is helpful.







     
  17. LoveGodsWord

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    Sorry tall this is all done beforehand at the completion of the Judgment in heaven. Revleation 22:11-12 already posted.
     
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    It is speaking of the mount.......

    He says in plain language what will happen. You only want it to be a parable to avoid what it says--they are brought before His throne and divided.
     
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    It is speaking of the mount.......


    And Solomon's temple had ten of them, and they were on the north and the south. So no, the shewbread tables were not the throne.

    2 Chronicles 4:8 He made also ten tables, and placed them in the temple, five on the right side, and five on the left. And he made an hundred basons of gold.

    19 And Solomon made all the vessels that were for the house of God, the golden altar also, and the tables whereon the shewbread was set;
     
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    There is possibly many views on this scripture. My view is that when judgment is given (after the investigative judgment) then all will bow before God (not at the same time).

    The saints will bow before God at the 2nd coming for the saints and the 1st ressurection of the dead in Christ who receive their rewards

    Then those after the 2nd resurrection of the wicked will also bow before God to hear their punishment when judgment is pronounced.

    It is not very hard
     
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