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GOD'S LAW AND JUDGEMENT TIME - ARE YOU READY?

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, May 10, 2018.

  1. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

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    Not at all it does both it cleanses and is transferred to the Sanctuary and that is why the Sanctuary needs to be cleansed. Where have I ever said the blood does not cleanse? This is the purpose of the blood and the sacrifice.

    LEVITICUS 16
    [16], And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remains among them in the middle of their uncleanness.
    [17], And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goes in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel.
    [18], And he shall go out to the altar that is before the LORD, and make an atonement for it; and shall take of the blood of the bullock, and of the blood of the goat, and put it on the horns of the altar round about.
    [19], And he shall sprinkle of the blood on it with his finger seven times, and cleanse it, and hallow it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel.
    [20], And when he has made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:
    [21], And Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:
    [22], And the goat shall bear on him all their iniquities to a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness...

    [33], And he shall make an atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make an atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation, and for the altar, and he shall make an atonement for the priests, and for all the people of the congregation.


    Sorry tall your interpretation of the scriptures does not make sense here. You have not answered the question. Why have a day of atonement if the peopel are already atoned for individually? Now if the people are all atoned for individually then they are already atoned for collectively right? This also does not account for the cleansing and removal of SIN from the presence of God from the Sanctuary as already outlined and shown in Leviticus 16.

    Also the cleansing of the Sanctuary going back to our topic, which is that this process only starts after the development of the little horn and the investigative judgment in Daniel 7:10 and Daniel 8:13-14.

    Which ever way you want to say it your teaching here does not match up with the scriptures.

    Hope this helps.

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  2. LoveGodsWord

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    Daniel 8 does and it is cleansed after the judgement and the 2300 day year prophecy of DANIEL 8:14. Daniel 7 is parallel to Daniel 8 talking about the little horn this has already been shown so many times already that it is the judgment and the cleansing of the Sanctuary that takes place prior to the kingdom being given to the Saints. The cleansing of the Sanctuary as highlighted in Daniel 8 and Leviticus 16 shows that there is indeed a day of atonement and judging of the people of God.

    The cleansing of the Sanctuary and the judgment is Christ work as our great high priest, our sacrifice and God.

    How can he judge us at his coming if he already pronounces his judgment before the 2nd coming and his reward is with him when he comes?

    REVLATIONS 22:11-12
    [11]He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
    [12], And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

    Your interpretation seems to be against the scritpures here.
     
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    How can he judge us at his coming if he already pronounces his judgment before the 2nd coming and his reward is with him when he comes? (Rev 22:11-12) See previous post.

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    Why should the scapegoat need to be mantioned again if the cleansing of the Sanctuary has already been outlined in Leviticus? Just the very fact that the atonement is mantioned in Hebrews 9 should tell you that the audience are those who are well aware of the books of Leviticus and the day of atonement and the scapegoats
     
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    Prove that the book of life is not mentioned in Daniel 7. The books [plural] were opened. There is only two books to do with God's judgment they are the book of life and the book of remembrance (deeds and acts)

    (Rev 3:5; 8; 17:8; 20:12-13; 15; Mal 3:16).

    Can you prove that these books are not a reference to Daniel 7..
     
  6. tall73

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    If it cleansed, there would be nothing to transfer. And the text does not say it transfers to the sanctuary. It says that whatever the sin offering touches is holy.
     
  7. LoveGodsWord

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    Well that does not help your interpretation. It only says what you say is how it should be read. But the scripture shows very clearly that this can be applied to judgments of the 1st and 2nd resurrections.
     
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    Indeed this is made plain at the close of judgment when Jesus proclaims .

    REVLATIONS 22:11-12 [11] He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. [12], And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

    This conflicts with your teaching.
     
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    If the sins are not in the Sanctuary why does the Sanctuary need to be cleansed and removed from the Sanctuary by the scapegoats? (Leviticus 16:16; 20:22; 33)
     
  10. tall73

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    I have indeed, because they are illustrations of different points. One is for individual confession of sins.

    And one is for the corporate provision--which Christ made. THey both point to separate works.

    And you have not explained how if it cleanses, it still transfers. If it cleansed, there would be nothing to transfer.
     
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    Cleansing of the sanctuary....already in the first century...and He is on the throne of grace...second compartment.

    Yeah, you are almost there.


     
  12. LoveGodsWord

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    Well not really I cannot see this in the scriptures.
     
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    I am almost there? Hmm you still have not answered any of the questions asked of you.
     
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    This is what has been presented in Daniel 7. Already discussed maybe you missed it? There is more then one book as highlighted in the book of life and the book of remembrance or deeds and acts (Rev 3:5; 8; 17:8; 20:12-13; 15; Mal 3:16).

    Posted on this a lot already.
     
  15. tall73

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    Not at all. Jesus knows His own. You keep claiming the judgment is for the angels. But Christ needs no such judgment to know who His own are and to bring His reward.

    Yet, the texts say we appear.....we don't appear in the IJ.

    we bow...we can't do that in the IJ, don't even know when our name comes up

    we confess..can't do that in the IJ, don't know when our name comes up

    we give an account...can't do that if we are not present at the IJ.

    This all happens then at His throne, and then He gives the reward.
     
  16. LoveGodsWord

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    I have not said anything you have posted above do you have me mixed up with someone else? Nothing you have posted above has anything to do with the judgment and the cleansing of the Sanctuary does it?
     
  17. tall73

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    Because the fulfillment is better, but not always what you would expect from the type.

    Jesus is not of Levi
    Jesus does not offer for Himself and the people, but just the people, He is sinless
    There is one sacrifice, once for all, not many.

    So again, if the NT doesn't spell it out we can only speculate. What the NT does spell out, we don't have to speculate.
     
  18. tall73

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    I don't need to prove that book of life is not mentioned in Daniel 7. It is not mentioned in Daniel 7.

    Again, In Revelation 20, the books....plural

    then another book.....

    Now if what was to be pictured in Daniel 7 was a judgment on individuals, God certainly knew how to describe it. He did it in Rev. 20, and we both agree. But He didn't do so in Daniel 7, and it does not mention the book of life.
     
  19. tall73

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    You can't see that if it cleansed sin with the sin offering, it would not also transfer?

    If it is cleansed, there is nothing to transfer.

    If it transferred, it did not cleanse.

    It did cleanse. Blood cleanses. It did make holy, the sin offering is stated to make holy anything it touches.
     
  20. LoveGodsWord

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    Well I do not see any scripture for this but we are taught to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. I think the post you are quoting from is a more accurate reflection of the scriptures dont you?
     
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