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GOD'S LAW AND JUDGEMENT TIME - ARE YOU READY?

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, May 10, 2018.

  1. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

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    Sorry tall,

    I do not read it that way. The Martyrs are those who have died in Christ right? So of course they are part of the first ressurection because the 1st ressurrection are for all those who have died in Christ.
     
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  2. LoveGodsWord

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    I think your the only one that I have ever met that believes the parable of the sheep and goats is not a parable. :)

    The parable only states that at the second coming the sheep and the goats are separated.

    This is because the fate of all have already been decided before the 2nd coming in the judgment when the annoncement is made...

    REVELATION 22:11-12 [11], He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he that is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. [12], And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


     
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  3. The7thColporteur

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    Of course the way into the Heavenly Sanctuary and unto the Mercy Seat was made open by Jesus. That does not mean that the ministration of Christ Jesus as High Priest [made so at Pentecost, texts already provided] of the second compartment was then in service, you simply assert it in defiance of all that which is presented to you.
     
  4. The7thColporteur

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    Indeed, Ten Tables, as the Ten Commandments, the Ten Words of God.
     
  5. tall73

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    Note it says make atonement, not make a sin record.

    And already noted the sin offering made holy:

    25 Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the Lord: it is most holy.
    26 The priest that offereth it for sin shall eat it: in the holy place shall it be eaten, in the court of the tabernacle of the congregation.
    27 Whatsoever shall touch the flesh thereof shall be holy: and when there is sprinkled of the blood thereof upon any garment, thou shalt wash that whereon it was sprinkled in the holy place.


    Because it didn't. The high priest did not go into the temple and go through records. He presented the blood of the sacrifice.



    Indeed He does. But there was no book in the Day of Atonement type.

    There is a judgment associated with the day if they did not follow the requirements. But inside the sanctuary there was cleansing blood applied, not books examined.


    The names of Israel are not records of books.

    Backed up by what it actually says:

    23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

    24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

    25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;



    No, you have enough to read with Ellen White's. But hers certainly is more entertaining with her calling the message that Jesus will return in 1843 true.
     
  6. tall73

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    Yeah, it gave that too. He sat down having offered it, in comparison to the standing priest. The priest was the one who ministered it. Jesus ministered it then sat down.

    Actually I don't ignore the fact that He completed all the sacrifices at once, and doesn't need to stand to offer them.
     
  7. tall73

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    How can there be many views, and it not be very hard?

    But in any case, so you see them then at their resurrections experiencing confession, bowing etc.

    Then there is no need of any investigative judgment. They just confessed.
     
  8. tall73

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    No, that is not what the type says.

    17 And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel.

    He goes in to make atonement, and when he comes out he has already made atonement for himself, for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel. It continues on to explain:


    18 And he shall go out unto the altar that is before the Lord, and make an atonement for it; and shall take of the blood of the bullock, and of the blood of the goat, and put it upon the horns of the altar round about.


    19 And he shall sprinkle of the blood upon it with his finger seven times, and cleanse it, and hallow it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel.


    20 And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:

    By this point he has already made atonement for all the people, and reconciled the sanctuary. Then comes the portion with the scapegoat. It is after, and separate.

    And what did the high priest do when he was in the sanctuary? He offered the sacrifice and its blood.




     
  9. LoveGodsWord

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    Not really confession is made because the judgment is already made and investigated. What are they going to say at judgment time to God? That is not true?
     
  10. The7thColporteur

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    That's a confusion again by yourself in the functions of King and Priest and the differing ministrations thereof.

    See the "daily" - GOD'S LAW AND JUDGEMENT TIME - ARE YOU READY?

    Once Sacrifice. Done. Yet there is also the holy and Most holy place functions to be performed by the High Priest Jesus, as seen in the texts cited in Revelation, at the Golden Candlesticks, at the Golden Altar, etc, etc..

    Jesus Christ is not only "sitting", but also "standing" and "walking", see Acts 7:

    Acts 7:55 KJB - But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

    Acts 7:56 KJB - And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.​

    Acts 7, comes years later, 3 1/2 to be precise {last half of the last week of the 70 weeks of Daniel 9}, after Jesus ascended from the Mount of Olives. This may be shown by the events themselves, beginning with Jesus Baptism the beginning of the final week of Daniels 70 weeks, in Daniel 9.

    Go with me to Revelation to see that Jesus "walketh" among all of the 7 Churches, which are 7 Church ages, thus from Ephesus the early Apostles and Disciples unto now, we, the Seventh-day Adventists, currently, being the last, Laodicea:

    Revelation 2:1 KJB - Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;​

    Most will not understand what it means for Jesus to "sit" upon the Right hand of God, and they do not know which Throne He then and now sits upon:

    Hebrews 4:16 KJB - Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.​

    But there is yet a future Throne for Jesus to sit upon, which is is not now set upon:

    Matthew 19:28 KJB - And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    Matthew 25:31 KJB - When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:​

    Neither do most realize the Dual functions that Jesus is fulfilling, in several capacities. He is both Man and God. He is both Highpriest and King, since Jesus is after the order of Melchizedek, the King-Priest.

    As Highpriest, even as seen robed in Revelation 1-3, Jesus Stands as our Mediator. As King, He sits over the Kingdom of Grace.

    Go back to Daniel 12:1, even Jesus will "stand" again, as done in Acts 7, for the close of Probation for the world, as then for the Jewish nation [Daniel 9:24-27 KJB].

    Again, not about "offering". Is it deliberate with you?

    Yes, died once for all - never to die again.

    Jesus indeed entered once for all, but into Where specifically in Hebrews 9:12?

    It was into the Sanctuary, the Holy place, through the First veil alone, not through the Second then:

    Hebrews 9:12 KJB - Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.​

    Said so many ... ago ....
     
  11. LoveGodsWord

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    Arr here is where you make a mistake. All the earlier actions lead to the bringing in of the live goat right? What is the goat for?
     
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    I agree. Personally I think you've done both. It shine through very well. I'm at your position with out the formal education.
     
  13. The7thColporteur

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    Adding to this:

    Christ Jesus is both the Bullock and the Lord's Goat, but not the Scapegoat [Azaz'el, who is representing Satan/wicked], which is why there is the mentioning of the "lots":

    Leviticus 16:8 KJB - And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.​

    There would be no need for "lots" to be cast if both were to represent Christ Jesus.

    "Lots" in scripture were always used to choose between two [or more] things, not one

    [Leviticus 16:8,9,10; Numbers 26:55,56, 33:54, 34:13, 36:2,3; Deuteronomy 32:9; Joshua 13:6, 14:2, 15:1, 16:1, 17:1,2,14,17, 18:6,8,10,11, 19:1,10,17,24,32,40,51, 21:4,5,6,8,10,20,40, 23:4; Judges 1:3, 20:9; 1 Samuel 14:41; 1 Chronicles 6:54,61,63,65, 16:18, 24:5,7,31, 25:8,9, 26:13,14,16; Esther 3:7, 9:24; Nehemiah 10:34, 11:1; Psalms 16:5, 22:18, 105:11, 125:3; Proverbs 1:14, 16:33, 18:18; Isaiah 17:14, 34:17, 57:6; Jeremiah 13:25; Ezekiel 24:6, 45:1, 47:22, 48:29; Daniel 12:13; Joel 3:3; Obadiah 1:11; Jonah 1:7; Micah 2:5; Nahum 3:10; Luke 1:9; Acts 1:26, 8:21, 13:19 KJB].​

    Notice, that both goats receive a designation, "one lot for the LORD".

    How many for the LORD? Two or one? It is only "one".

    The other "lot" was not then "for the LORD", but rather for someone else, "the other lot for the scapegoat".

    Notice "for the scapegoat", not "for the LORD".

    Also notice, that the scapegoat was not to make atonement for the people of God or sanctuary, but with "him", the "scapegoat":

    Leviticus 16:10 KJB - But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, [and] to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.​

    The Scapegoat was also never sacrificed, but to be "presented alive before the LORD", for the reason of making "atonement with him", after which the scapegoat was to be "let ... go ... into the wilderness", representing the desolate earth during the 1,000 years:

    Satan [represented by the scapegoat, `aza'zel, not a sacrifice for sin, but ultimately responsible for all sin] then, after the Saints are "caught up" "to meet the Lord" "into the air" and the wicked are "brought low" and "slain" [to await their final sentencing in the Second resurrection after the 1000 years], is bound by his surrounding circumstance in the "1000 years" on the desolate Earth, the "wilderness" a "land not inhabited" [see Jeremiah 4:23-29, 25:33 KJB], where was once the "fruitful place", and he is bound and led away by the "strong man" [Jesus Christ; Psalms 19:5; Proverbs 24:5; Luke 11:22 KJB], just as Leviticus 16 and Revelation 20:1-3 KJB reveal [for events beforehand compare also Leviticus 16:17 KJB to Revelation 15:8 KJB, and also Leviticus 16:20; Isaiah 16:21 KJB with Jesus coming out of Heaven to Hebrews 9:28 KJB]:

    Leviticus 16:17 KJB - And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy [place], until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel.​

    [compare to]

    Revelation 15:8 KJB - And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.​

    Then also:

    Leviticus 16:20 KJB - And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy [place], and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:

    Isaiah 26:21 KJB - For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.​

    [compare to]

    Hebrews 9:28 KJB - So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.​

    Then also:

    Leviticus 16:8 KJB - And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.

    Leviticus 16:10 KJB - But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, [and] to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

    Leviticus 16:20 KJB - And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy [place], and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:​

    [compare to...]

    Revelation 20:1 KJB - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.​

    Then:

    Leviticus 16:21 KJB - And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send [him] away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

    Leviticus 16:22 KJB - And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.​

    [compare to...]

    Revelation 20:2 KJB - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

    Revelation 20:3 KJB - And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.​

    Satan is to be "presented alive" [Leviticus 16:10 KJB], and is not eliminated at the 2nd Advent, but is to be taken and "bound" by a "great chain" [see Lamentations 3:7; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6 KJB, for this is no ordinary chain of metal, seeing the devil may break these [Luke 8:29 KJB, etc], but a chain of circumstance] and "let go" into "the wilderness" alive.
     
  14. LoveGodsWord

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    Yep good reply. I was waiting for the reply so you beat me.

    Very well written T7C :oldthumbsup:

    This has been the sticking point.
     
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    Why should we listen to you? What you post is contrary to the new covenant.
     
  16. LoveGodsWord

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    Now listed there is no reason to get upset. Do you have any scriptures to share?
     
  17. LoveGodsWord

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    Ok friends getting late my time. Nice talking to everyone. Chat more latter thanks for sharing :wave:
     
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    Please explain in careful terms why you believe what myself and LoveGod'sWord, or BobRyan, etc have shared is "contrary to the new covenant". Could you put it in point by point format?
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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