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Indeed, I have. But you have not spelled out what Hebrews 9:23-25 means.
Yet you said it refers to the Day of Atonement.
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I am almost there? Hmm you still have not answered any of the questions asked of you.
This is what has been presented in Daniel 7. Already discussed maybe you missed it? There is more then one book as highlighted in the book of life and the book of remembrance or deeds and acts (Rev 3:5; 8; 17:8; 20:12-13; 15; Mal 3:16).
Posted on this a lot already.
I don't need to prove that book of life is not mentioned in Daniel 7. It is not mentioned in Daniel 7.
Again, In Revelation 20, the books....plural
then another book.....
Now if what was to be pictured in Daniel 7 was a judgment on individuals, God certainly knew how to describe it. He did it in Rev. 20, and we both agree. But He didn't do so in Daniel 7, and it does not mention the book of life.
You posted ignoring that the books of remembrance are plural in Rev. 20.
I have not said anything you have posted above do you have me mixed up with someone else? Nothing you have posted above has anything to do with the judgment and the cleansing of the Sanctuary does it?
Well I do not see any scripture for this but we are taught to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. I think the post you are quoting from is a more accurate reflection of the scriptures dont you?
I am pointing out that Jesus does judge at His coming, where we appear before the throne, we bow, we confess, we give an account.
That is where His judgment happens. That is where the reward is. But He already knows His own. He already has His reward ready.
Well that does not help your interpretation. It only says what you say is how it should be read. But the scripture shows very clearly that this can be applied to judgments of the 1st and 2nd resurrections.
This is a mind scramble to read my friend, I don't think Bible verse's should be read out of context of the content of each book. I tried my best to read each verse, but after a bit I felt like I was being bashed.JUDGEMENT TIME AND THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT - ARE YOU READY?
PART 1
Who will be judged?
PSALMS 7:11 [11], God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
ECCLESIASTES 3:17 [17], I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.
ROMANS 14:10 [10], But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
2 CORINTHIANS 5:10 [10] For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
ACT 10:42 [42], And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick [living] and dead.
2 TIMOTHY 4:1 [1], I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick [living] and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
HEBREWS 9:27 [27], And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
HEBREWS 12:23 [23], To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
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CONCLUSION: Everyone, both the righteous and wicked, the living and dead, will be judged.
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What will be the standard of Judgment?
1 JOHN 3:4-6 [4], Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. [5], And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. [6] Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
JAMES 2:8-12 [9], But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. [10], For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.
[12], So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:
ECCLESIASTES 12:13-14 [13], Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. [14] For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
1 JOHN 2:3-5 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, You shall not covet.
1 CORINTIANS 5:10 [10], For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he has done, whether it be good or bad.
ROMANS 2:12[12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law
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CONCLUSION: The 10 commandments of God are the standard of judgment.
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Who is judged first, the righteous or the wicked?
1 PETER 4:17 [17], For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
1 TIMOTHY 5:24 [24], Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
1 TIMOTHY 5:25 [25], Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.
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CONCLUSION: The righteous believers are judged first and rewarded, and then later the wicked are sentenced and condemned.
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Who is the Judge?
The courtroom in Daniel:
DANIEL 7:9 [9], I beheld till the thrones were cast down [set in place], and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
DANIEL 7:10 [10], A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: ...
A similar scene in Revelation:
REVELATION 4:2 [2], And immediately I was in the spirit; and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
REVELATION 4:3 [3], And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
REVELATION 5:6 [6], And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
REVELATION 5:7 [7], And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
REVELATION 5:11 [11], And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
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CONCLUSION: The Ancient of Days (God the Father). Jesus is the Lamb who takes the book from the hand of Father on the throne.
to be continued
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Well this is what we are disagreeing on. The scripture show that judgment takes place for God's people before the 2nd coming
Revelation 1:12-13, Jesus is in the first Compartment [glad to see you agree that there are two compartments in Heaven] as seen by John himself, dressed as High Priest in the midst of the 7 golden candlesticks....already in the first century...and He is on the throne of grace...second compartment. ...
You don't see any text for what part?
I see so you cannot prove the the one of the books mentioned in the 7:10 is not the book of life?
You were speculating on the scapegoats in the NT
So tell me how we bow, confess, give an account, etc. at the IJ.
And show me why it has us before the throne in the sheep and goats?
Exactly. There is no NT statement about the scapegoat. So the best we can do is speculate based on the type. But there is a statement on the cleansing of the Sanctuary, in regards to the blood work in the sanctuary, so we need not speculate.
Also the special resurrection before those two.Easy the two resurrections show this. They do not happen at the same time do they?
And you cannot prove it is. But I can prove it doesn't say book of life.
And the judgment is on powers, which don't have anything to do with the book of life.
And I can say that if God wanted to portray an individual judgment, He can do it well, as in Rev 20
Revelation 1:12-13, Jesus is in the first Compartment [glad to see you agree that there are two compartments in Heaven] as seen by John Himself, dressed as High Priest in the midst of the 7 golden candlesticks.
Revelation 1:12 KJB - And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Revelation 1:13 KJB - And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Also the special resurrection before those two.
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