God's Grace

[fhansen]

We have an advantage over Adam.
Adam was not born again, so, this reality that is our "justification by faith", keeps us "in Christ".
Adam had no Redeemer. Adam had no restoration of Righteousness that is attained by the 2nd Adam.
We do.
Adam was not accepted by God based ONLY on the Blood of Jesus.
We are.

Yes, we have many advantages over Adam's original state in Eden even if he began highly privileged, advantages that he's also presumably experienced by now incidentally. And one of the advantages is that, with him, we've now all directly experienced evil, the absence of God and His control in a direct and personal way, so that like prodigals we may have learned of the value of "home" so that when we come to know of it, as its revealed, we may embrace it with the help of grace.

The point is simply that the will is never completely overridden. Otherwise all of the sin and suffering and evil that humans have experienced down through the centuries actually have no purpose or value: gratuitous evil. But we're here to learn. Evil has no good purpose unless to teach us to hate and avoid it. And the purpose of the Law was to teach us that we still cannot overcome it on our own, by mere external obedience of the Law; the Law discloses and convicts us of sin and of our utter powerlessness in overcoming it.

Only grace, only God, can justify and save us. We must learn that, "Apart from Me you can do nothing." And believers are continuously exhorted and warned and encouraged to retain this lesson learned, so that we will remain in Him, so that we persevere, we strive, we do good (Rom 2:7), we obey the commandments (Matt 19), we keep oil in our lamps, we do "for the least of these" (Matt 25). Etc All by grace, but by grace that can be resisted. No one, BTW, can predict whether or not they will persevere-and that's exactly why Scripture tells us to persevere.

 

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with God's help

. . . help in us which gives us His sufficiency of His own ability >

"Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves; but our sufficiency is from God," (2 Corinthians 3:5)

"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

So, of our own selves we are not sufficient to get ourselves to will what God wants. I would say, because only God is good, the only Being able to bring about willing which brings His good. So, the glory, then, if purely to God . . . certainly not to our human wills!

So, grace then includes God in our wills working us to will His own good . . . which therefore is "for His good pleasure."

So it is wise to constantly submit only to how God in us is working our willing and guiding all we do >

"Therefore submit to God." (in James 4:7)

God renewing and creatively energizing

 

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. . . help in us which gives us His sufficiency of His own ability >
"Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves; but our sufficiency is from God," (2 Corinthians 3:5)
"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)
So, of our own selves we are not sufficient to get ourselves to will what God wants. I would say, because only God is good, the only Being able to bring about willing which brings His good. So, the glory, then, if purely to God . . . certainly not to our human wills!
So, grace then includes God in our wills working us to will His own good . . . which therefore is "for His good pleasure."
So it is wise to constantly submit only to how God in us is working our willing and guiding all we do >
"Therefore submit to God." (in James 4:7)
God renewing and creatively energizing

One of the hidden mysteries of the Gospel, of God's Grace..... is that God supplies it all.
He created "Salvation" so that it can't fail. He created it as His responsibility.
This is why He came here to die as Jesus, on a Cross, in our place.
Had He wanted us to resolve our redemption, ourselves... the we'd all get a chance to hang on a Cross till we died.
Notice this didnt happen?

God as Christ on the Cross removed all the "what you do" that is the Old Testament covenant, and replaced it with the New Covenant that is "what Christ did" that we GET.
"the GIFT of Salvation".. "The GIFT of Righteousness"

Even discipleship is God working through us to help us "work our our Salvation".
The heretic, the Legalist, thinks that "working out your salvation" means. "how do i keep myself saved by my self effort". "how to i make sure i go to heaven by doing stuff or by not doing stuff".
And that "religious mind" is of course the theological utter faith rejection of the Cross.

The reason that Christian discipleship is usually a fail....for most, ( as proven by their repenting and confessing idea of ..."this is what Christianity is supposed to be"... is that Christians believe wrong.
Wrong believing, misplaced Faith= is why Christians are sinning and repenting, and they think its because they are just struggling against their flesh or the devil.
Actually, the struggle is within their understanding of the Grace of God, altogether, that is causing them to be a repenting and confessing Christian failure.

 

[com7fy8]

The heretic, the Legalist, thinks that "working out your salvation" means. "how do i keep myself saved by my self effort". "how to i make sure i go to heaven by doing stuff or by not doing stuff".
And that "religious mind" is of course the theological utter faith rejection of the Cross.

Grace is God in us having us sharing with Him, one with Him (1 Corinthians 6:17, Galatians 2:20), in doing all He has us doing which He commands. Any commandment, then, means in submission to how God in us has us doing all He means . . . better than we can control ourselves to do.

This is what I understand.

 

[5thKingdom]

Grace is God in us having us sharing with Him, one with Him (1 Corinthians 6:17, Galatians 2:20), in doing all He has us doing which He commands. Any commandment, then, means in submission to how God in us has us doing all He means . . . better than we can control ourselves to do.

This is what I understand.

Joh 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father's commandments,
and abide in his love.

1Jn 2:3-5
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not
his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But
whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God
perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

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[com7fy8]

Yes, keep God's commandments. And one commandment is >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

From this, I see how our Father desires for us to be submissive with Him always in His own peace personally ruling us. This peace is God's own harmony > of God, then, sharing His own self with us. So, this is not just a nice feeling or only comfort about our problems and how God has forgiven us, even. But this peace is of God sharing His own creativity with us so we find out how He our Creator has us loving each and every person . . . because of how God is all-loving and sharing this with us in His own peace. And God is almighty; therefore this peace is almighty to protect our "hearts and minds through Christ Jesus," we have in Philippians 4:6-7.

Philippians 4:6-7 commands us how to pray, so that God's own peace is almightily guarding our hearts and our minds against any sort of chaos and cruel emotional and spiritual stuff which would violate us and infect us with what is worse than COVID-19.

And while we are and we live and love like this, we discover how He has us keeping His commandments > "and you will find rest for your souls," Jesus guarantees, if we obey how He says for us to submit to Him and learn from Him >

"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

So . . . about God's grace @Behold > this is how God's grace has us living in His peace and rest so we keep His commandments the way He means them.

There are the legalistic ones who pick out certain things they say God commands, but they do not obey how our Father personally rules us in His own peace and "rest for your souls." So, we need then to trust Jesus by submitting to how He cares for us and guides us and has us loving in His rest for our souls.

 

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So . . . about God's grace @Behold > this is how God's grace has us living in His peace and rest so we keep His commandments the way He means them.

Real Discipleship is not about keeping the Law or the Commandments.
Religious People who worry about that are not in touch with the Grace of God.

Real Discipleship is all about existing in the place of perfected Discipleship, on Earth.
Or as Paul said..>"its is not I who live, but Christ who lives in me".
Paul refers to this spiritual place as..... "The fullness of the Stature of Christ". = perfected Discipleship.
This is different then "being conformed INTO the IMAGE of Christ", which is completed when we get our new body.

 

[5thKingdom]

Real Discipleship is not about keeping the Law or the Commandments.

It seems your "feelings" do not harmonize with Scripture:

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father's commandments,
and abide in his love.

1John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God,
when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments:
and his commandments are not grievous.


But here is a special verse (just for you)
that talks about WHO is the focus of Satan's attack
during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]


Rev 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman [the church],
and went to make war with the remnant [the last] of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God, and have the
testimony of Jesus Christ.


The focus of Satan (and his Antichrist) attacks
during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
is NOT those in apostate churches (as Satan owns them)
and NOT those OUTSIDE of the church (he owns them also)
it's the "remnant" of True Believers on earth who are NAMED
by Jesus as the "wise virgins" [Mat 25:1-13]


(1) It is ONLY them who "keep His commandments" and
(2) It is ONLY them who are in the "Final Harvest" [Mat 25:10]


So you can pretend whatever you like about the process of
salvation (beginning with a "work" of man) and you can pretend
whatever you like about "discipleship"... but all your pretending
contradicts Scripture. So it means LESS than nothing.


BTW... I bet you thought the "Final Harvest" was during the
Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13] instead of being in
a separate and distinct Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1]


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[Behold]

It seems your "feelings" do not harmonize with Scripture:

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jesus gave us 2.
Go and learn what that are, and get back to us.

 

[5thKingdom]

Jesus gave us 2. Go and learn what that are, and get back to us.

You go an learn. Jesus gave MORE than two commandments.
I have already provided you with the following SCRIPTURES.
So your position has been REFUTED by these Scriptures.

You can NEVER refute someone by saying "go and learn"...
that is just so childish it's not even worth discussing.

When you can REFUTE (not deny or ignore) the SCRIPTURES
that I have already provided to you (re-posted below) THEN
you will have shown the "fruit" of someone to take seriously.

Until that time you cannot be taken seriously because your
answer to SCRIPTURES refuting you - is just DENIAL and the
childish response to "go and learn". You are just amazing.
I sincerely hope you do not actually think you are fooling
anybody (except yourself).


John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father's commandments,
and abide in his love.

1John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God,
when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments:
and his commandments are not grievous.


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[5thKingdom]

... and get back to us.

BTW... when you say "us" you only demonstrate how profound
your delusion is. It is YOU teaching false doctrines, not "us".
It is YOU that needs correction, not "us". It is YOU that
intentionally ignores Scriptures YOU do not like... not "us".


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[Behold]

You go an learn. Jesus gave MORE than two commandments.

Jesus gave 2.
Moses gave more.

 

[5thKingdom]

Jesus gave 2.
Moses gave more.

No... Jesus did NOT give just two commandments.
You can PRETEND that is the case but you are just pretending.
Jesus gave MANY commandments and even "babes in Christ"
know that reality.

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