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God's Commandments include the TEN Commandments in the NT

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Ephesians 6:2 is not about the sabbath.

You have ignored every detail in Eph 6:2 -- "again". Were we simply "not supposed to notice?

The fact that your position requires such tactics is -- "instructive" for the unbiased objective Bible student.

Psalm 95 is OT
Hebrews was a lot of OT because it was written to Hebrews.

There are 27 books in my NT - those who downsize their Bibles to cut out the doctrine that does not fit their man-made-tradition have free will and can choose such methods if they wish.

Hebrews 8 has the only NT full quote of the New Covenant - sadly much of the NT Bible doctrine is cast out the window by those willing to delete books from the NT as not of interest to them.

Still - everyone has free will and the lessons of Protestantism - "Sola Scriptura testing" have not been "lost" on everyone if they are lost on some.
 
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multiple Confessions of faith - vs wild claims asking that we ignore Mark 2:27 teaching of Jesus

No they don't.

MK 2:27 is used out of context as being spoken to the whole world when Jesus is having a conversation with Jews.

Those who cut the 4 Gospels out of their Bibles to avoid the teaching of Christ - do not impress Christians that choose to follow the teaching of Christ.

As we saw HERE - Jun 17, 2016 #56 in the case of D.L. Moody
As we saw HERE - Jun 17, 2016 #57 in the case of the Baptist Confession of Faith

As we saw HERE - #123 in the case of the Westminster Confession of Faith
 
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Then notice how the "Westminster Confession of Faith" closely follows the "Baptist Confession of Faith" in section 19.

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Here we have section 19 of the Westminster - and of course you already have a few posts of mine quoting the "Baptist Confession of Faith"

Westminster Confession of Faith Section 19
"Westminster Confession of Faith"
Chapter XIX
Of the Law of God
I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.

II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables: the first four commandments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.
III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits;l and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament

IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.

V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof; and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it. Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.
VI. Although true believers be not under the law, as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified, or condemned; yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life informing them of the will of God, and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts and lives; so as, examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin, together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of His obedience It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin: and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve; and what afflictions, in this life, they may expect for them, although freed from the curse thereof threatened in the law The promises of it, in like manner, show them God's approbation of obedience,and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof: although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works. So as, a man's doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law: and not under grace

VII. Neither are the forementioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it; the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely, and cheerfully, which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done.

Section 21 of the Westminster and Section 22 of the Baptist both address point 7 "the change" the edit of the Sabbath commandment from the 7th day starting from creation and all through the OT and NT Gospel until the cross where it is "changed" in their mind -- to point to week-day-1

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Then notice how the "Westminster Confession of Faith" closely follows the "Baptist Confession of Faith" in section 19.

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Here we have section 19 of the Westminster - and of course you already have a few posts of mine quoting the "Baptist Confession of Faith"

Westminster Confession of Faith Section 19
"Westminster Confession of Faith"
Chapter XIX
Of the Law of God
I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.

II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables: the first four commandments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.
III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits;l and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament

IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.

V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof; and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it. Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.
VI. Although true believers be not under the law, as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified, or condemned; yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life informing them of the will of God, and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts and lives; so as, examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin, together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of His obedience It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin: and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve; and what afflictions, in this life, they may expect for them, although freed from the curse thereof threatened in the law The promises of it, in like manner, show them God's approbation of obedience,and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof: although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works. So as, a man's doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law: and not under grace

VII. Neither are the forementioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it; the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely, and cheerfully, which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done.

Section 21 of the Westminster and Section 22 of the Baptist both address point 7 "the change" the edit of the Sabbath commandment from the 7th day starting from creation and all through the OT and NT Gospel until the cross where it is "changed" in their mind -- to point to week-day-1
 
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There are 27 books in my NT - those who downsize their Bibles to cut out the doctrine that does not fit their man-made-tradition have free will and can choose such methods if they wish.

Hebrews 8 has the only NT full quote of the New Covenant - sadly much of the NT Bible doctrine is cast out the window by those willing to delete books from the NT as not of interest to them.

Still - everyone has free will and the lessons of Protestantism - "Sola Scriptura testing" have not been "lost" on everyone if they are lost on some.
What that is called is knowing the context of the Bible.

To you knowing Biblical context is a bad thing. :scratch:
 
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Rev 14:12 - "the saints KEEP The Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous.
In 1Jn 3 John has already explained what the commandments are for Christians. Torah law ended at the Cross, so God's people, Christians, would be lawless if there wasn't something to replace the Torah. John, in 1JN 3:19-24 explains, tells us what Christians are commanded to do. Why do you refuse to quote: 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and goes on to explain what truth Christians are under: and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Why have you refused to comment on these verses? Instead you continue to try to make those who read your posts believe that every time you quote commandments they are the 10 commandments. Those 10 were part of Torah and ended at the Cross. We were promised a new and better covenant and we got just that, the covenant of Grace and the law of love. Who cares what those before us believed. You keep quoting fallible men. I quote inspired scripture and that does not mean quoting scripture out of context like what you continuously practice.

 
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ToBeLoved,
I am sorry my posts hurt your eyes. Do you have a way to turn the brightness of your monitor? To make my point I feel that I need to emphasize certain texts. I have given your request a lot of thought and I do hope you will understand my position to continue to use the bold option.
 
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ToBeLoved,
I am sorry my posts hurt your eyes. Do you have a way to turn the brightness of your monitor? To make my point I feel that I need to emphasize certain texts. I have given your request a lot of thought and I do hope you will understand my position to continue to use the bold option.
That's fine, I'm just not going to be able to read/follow those posts.
 
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In the dark ages it was proven that looking at the Bible texts that refute man-made-tradition -- is not popular.

In the OT Isaiah 66:23 states explicitly that the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" in Is 66:23
In Gen 2:1-3 the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" -- Adam and Eve.
In Mark 2:27 the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" -- "The Sabbath was made for mankind"
In Rev 14:7 it is all mankind that is called to worship God who "created the heavens and the earth the seas and the springs of water" - a quote from the Sabbath commandment
in Heb 4 "There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people God" actually quotes the Sabbath Commandment and says it 'remains' just as it was in Psalms 95.
In Rev 14:12 the saints "KEEP the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus".
In 56:1-8 the Gentiles are singled out and specifically blessed for keeping the weekly Sabbath.
James 2 points specifically to the TEN Commandments and says that the common element that would make us "guilty of all" is based on "He who said" -- and as it turns out God said all ten of them not just nine.
In Eph 6:2 - the entire unit of TEN is being identified when the text says "Honor thy father and mother for this is the FIRST commandment with a promise" -- that requires a specific unit of Law -- and is only true of the TEN.
Ex 20:8-11 it is BOTH Israel AND the gentile that "stays within their gates" that is bound to keep the Sabbath.
In Acts 18:4 both Gentiles AND Jews are worshiping "every Sabbath" so also in Acts 17:1-4 so also in Acts 13.

Still - many of those even with the most hardened heart will at least admit that the Jews would have known that the TEN Commandments - including the 4th Commandment, were included in the "LAW of God" known to Jeremiah. So then when Jeremiah says that the NEW Covenant includes God writing His "LAW on our heart and mind" both Jeremiah and HIS readers would have known that it was sin to violate the Sabbath and that the 4th Commandment was included in God's moral LAW
 
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And Jesus raised the Standard - He did not lower it.

Before , in the OT, just looking at a diamond ring and coveting it was not punished(was it).
BUT, stealing the diamond ring carried with it a punishment.

Jesus raised the Standard -
He agreed stealing the diamond ring is sin, breaking the law, and punishable .
AND
He said , desiring the diamond ring with covetousness or greed IN THE HEART is punishable already.

Tougher rules - yes, a LOT TOUGHER.....
since Jesus came.....
yes, a LOT TOUGHER now.....
any sin IN THE HEART is punishable,
as well as any sin breaking the law....
 
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You have ignored every detail in Eph 6:2 -- "again". Were we simply "not supposed to notice?

The fact that your position requires such tactics is -- "instructive" for the unbiased objective Bible student.

There are 27 books in my NT - those who downsize their Bibles to cut out the doctrine that does not fit their man-made-tradition have free will and can choose such methods if they wish.

Hebrews 8 has the only NT full quote of the New Covenant - sadly much of the NT Bible doctrine is cast out the window by those willing to delete books from the NT as not of interest to them.

Still - everyone has free will and the lessons of Protestantism - "Sola Scriptura testing" have not been "lost" on everyone if they are lost on some.
First, I don't appreciate your insults.

Second, Psalms is in the Old Testament, why don't you double-check that before you strike.

Third, there are 27 books in the NT and Psalms is NOT one of them. A non-Bible student even knows that. So maybe your not what you think you are.

Why don't you get your act together before you reply. Thanks so much.
 
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In the dark ages it was proven that looking at the Bible texts that refute man-made-tradition -- is not popular.

In the OT Isaiah 66:23 states explicitly that the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" in Is 66:23
In Gen 2:1-3 the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" -- Adam and Eve.
In Mark 2:27 the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" -- "The Sabbath was made for mankind"
In Rev 14:7 it is all mankind that is called to worship God who "created the heavens and the earth the seas and the springs of water" - a quote from the Sabbath commandment
in Heb 4 "There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people God" actually quotes the Sabbath Commandment and says it 'remains' just as it was in Psalms 95.
In Rev 14:12 the saints "KEEP the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus".
In 56:1-8 the Gentiles are singled out and specifically blessed for keeping the weekly Sabbath.
James 2 points specifically to the TEN Commandments and says that the common element that would make us "guilty of all" is based on "He who said" -- and as it turns out God said all ten of them not just nine.
In Eph 6:2 - the entire unit of TEN is being identified when the text says "Honor thy father and mother for this is the FIRST commandment with a promise" -- that requires a specific unit of Law -- and is only true of the TEN.
Ex 20:8-11 it is BOTH Israel AND the gentile that "stays within their gates" that is bound to keep the Sabbath.
In Acts 18:4 both Gentiles AND Jews are worshiping "every Sabbath" so also in Acts 17:1-4 so also in Acts 13.

Still - many of those even with the most hardened heart will at least admit that the Jews would have known that the TEN Commandments - including the 4th Commandment, were included in the "LAW of God" known to Jeremiah. So then when Jeremiah says that the NEW Covenant includes God writing His "LAW on our heart and mind" both Jeremiah and HIS readers would have known that it was sin to violate the Sabbath and that the 4th Commandment was included in God's moral LAW
The Sabbath was made for mankind. The Old Testament mankind. Now we worship God 24/7 365 days a year.

There is nothing wrong with the Sabbath, it's just not a New Testament command. That should help you distinguish between the Old Covenant and New Covenant. The New Covenant believers of course could choose to worship on the sabbath or any other day or time.

Lot's of worship going on in the New Testament.
 
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In the dark ages it was proven that looking at the Bible texts that refute man-made-tradition -- is not popular.

In the OT Isaiah 66:23 states explicitly that the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" in Is 66:23
In Gen 2:1-3 the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" -- Adam and Eve.
In Mark 2:27 the Sabbath applies to "All mankind" -- "The Sabbath was made for mankind"
In Rev 14:7 it is all mankind that is called to worship God who "created the heavens and the earth the seas and the springs of water" - a quote from the Sabbath commandment
in Heb 4 "There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people God" actually quotes the Sabbath Commandment and says it 'remains' just as it was in Psalms 95.
In Rev 14:12 the saints "KEEP the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus".
In 56:1-8 the Gentiles are singled out and specifically blessed for keeping the weekly Sabbath.
James 2 points specifically to the TEN Commandments and says that the common element that would make us "guilty of all" is based on "He who said" -- and as it turns out God said all ten of them not just nine.
In Eph 6:2 - the entire unit of TEN is being identified when the text says "Honor thy father and mother for this is the FIRST commandment with a promise" -- that requires a specific unit of Law -- and is only true of the TEN.
Ex 20:8-11 it is BOTH Israel AND the gentile that "stays within their gates" that is bound to keep the Sabbath.
In Acts 18:4 both Gentiles AND Jews are worshiping "every Sabbath" so also in Acts 17:1-4 so also in Acts 13.

Still - many of those even with the most hardened heart will at least admit that the Jews would have known that the TEN Commandments - including the 4th Commandment, were included in the "LAW of God" known to Jeremiah. So then when Jeremiah says that the NEW Covenant includes God writing His "LAW on our heart and mind" both Jeremiah and HIS readers would have known that it was sin to violate the Sabbath and that the 4th Commandment was included in God's moral LAW
If you Biblically follow the Sabbath, then you do not work, cook, entertain guests, drive, clean or do anything. You in no way strained your body.

When the Sabbath said 'day of rest' you did nothing. So you sit in a chair and pray on the Sabbath I suppose?

I really want to know because I doubt you keep it. Those who scream the loudest, usually only want to be heard.
 
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Paul says the people in the old testament should be examples for us not to repeat their mistakes (1 Corinthians 10:7), that they were written for our learning (Romans 15:4), and that all scripture is profitable for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16). So when I read multiple times of God saying keep the Sabbath, and see multiple times the people getting punished for failing to keep it, what should I learn from that?
 
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Paul says the people in the old testament should be examples for us not to repeat their mistakes (1 Corinthians 10:7), that they were written for our learning (Romans 15:4), and that all scripture is profitable for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16). So when I read multiple times of God saying keep the Sabbath, and see multiple times the people getting punished for failing to keep it, what should I learn from that?
That you are blessed listening to God and seeking Him in HIS WORD,

instead of listening to those screaming (apparently because they want to keep sinning) against God and His Way....
 
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Paul says the people in the old testament should be examples for us not to repeat their mistakes (1 Corinthians 10:7), that they were written for our learning (Romans 15:4), and that all scripture is profitable for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16). So when I read multiple times of God saying keep the Sabbath, and see multiple times the people getting punished for failing to keep it, what should I learn from that?
1 Corinthians is specific to the idolatry of the Israelites. Context, context, context.

It is not speaking of the sabbath.

RomNA 5:4 is true. But it is clear that the Old Covenant is not the New Covenant. If the Old Covenant is the New Covenant Jesus did not have to come or die to bring the New Covenant.

What is right is to read scripture in context and scripture interprets scripture.

Mixing the Old Covenant and the New Covenant is very popular for those who do not understand the entire Bible.
 
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That you are blessed listening to God and seeking Him in HIS WORD,

instead of listening to those screaming (apparently because they want to keep sinning) against God and His Way....
Speaking against fellow Christians. You have no right to say that those who know the New Covenant want to keep on sinning. What lengths you go to to be right. Bearing false witness. Way to keep the 10 Commandments. You will have to repent for your sin now.

It is interesting when those who preach and teach do just as the Pharisee's in Matthew 23 and become hypocrits. Jesus called them out for that, FYI. He called them vipers for putting on to others what they were not willing to keep themselves.

There is a teaching here somewhere.
 
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Jesus said to spend a lot of time with the Father in prayer every day, and that gradually our (ekklesia born again disciples) focus would change from ourselves to Him.
Jesus said we seek Him always, and learn from Him, and He will teach us(ekklesia born again disciples) the truth about all things.
He is saddened and grieved by the ignorance, the gross ignorance there is of His Word, that HE DIED to make available to us.
And
perhaps even more so, maybe even ANGRY (like He was at the religious leaders who had hard hearts and meanness of purpose)
at the outright rejection of the Father , and of His Word, and of Jesus by people everywhere TODAY.
 
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Whether you know anything or not,
everyone in your camp who I've asked admits they will willingly keep on sinning, and they said "so what" we're saved anyway, OR worse.
You've never asked me, and P.S. I don't have a camp. I am a servant of Christ, not a camper.

So your hypocriticalness stands. And I'm sure you have talked with 3 people and judge millions, that's how your type that put's people in bucket's, roll.

I would remind you that Jesus said that NO ONE is a just and righteous judge because NO ONE but Jesus knows the heart.

Awesome verse. I noticed that you sinned in this thread, so one could say that you don't care that you sin. You've demonstrated that for all to see. Actions speak LOUDER than mere words.
 
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First, I don't appreciate your insults.
THen pray for us.
We can only do what is best for you,
as the Father leads us in the grace and truth of Jesus Himself.

Of course, you never have to forgive anyone, but then , you KNOW what will happen ....
 
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