God's LAW has not ended -- according to the Bible

[BABerean2]

"The same law that was engraved upon the tables of stone is written by the Holy Spirit upon the tables of the heart. Instead of going about to establish our own righteousness we accept the righteousness of Christ. His blood atones for our sins. His obedience is accepted for us. Then the heart renewed by the Holy Spirit will bring forth “the fruits of the Spirit.” Through the grace of Christ we shall live in obedience to the law of God written upon our hearts."

None of the Israelites ever kept the 10 commandments.

No Christian has ever kept the 10 commandments, because perfect obedience to the law is an illusion to everyone except the Son of God. It is our goal, but we will never get there.

Those in-Christ have One who kept the 10 commandments in our place.

The penalty for breaking the Sinai covenant, no matter whether there were one or two covenants, was death.

We have one who died in our place.

If you are truly in-Christ, you have the Holy Spirit inside of you to correct you when you sin and sin you will, because you are still made of flesh.

You can be circumcised of the flesh if you want, but it is circumcision of the heart that matters.

You can be a vegetarian if you want. It is no doubt good for the body, but God showed Peter that nothing He created is unclean. That includes barbequed pig.

You can try to keep what ever Sabbath day you want, but the Lord of the Sabbath should be inside of you every day of the week instead of just one. He is our Sabbath Rest.

Adultery and Murder are wicked beyond measure. King David took Uriah's wife to his own bed and then conspired to have Uriah killed in battle, so that he could have his wife. For this crime David deserves death. However, he cried out to God for mercy and that is what he got. We will see him alive one day.

We are saved by Grace. After that, others should see the fruit of our salvation.
Sharing the Gospel with others is more important than attempting to keep a certain Sabbath day.

If keeping a Sabbath day becomes the focus of your walk with Christ, you will miss what is important.

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[BobRyan]

None of the Israelites ever kept the 10 commandments.

What is your Bible proof when you "quote you"??

No Christian has ever kept the 10 commandments, because perfect obedience to the law is an illusion

You are confusing the lost with the saved according to Paul in Roman 8:4-8.
Paul says that the lost "do not submit to the LAW of God neither indeed CAN they"

"no one has ever kept" means "everyone is always breaking" -- and that position is error

to everyone except the Son of God.

God the Son - always kept the Ten Commandments - no one else can say that.

But that does not mean that the saints always break the Ten commandments.

There is a difference - and details do matter.

Better to quote the actual Bible.

 

[BobRyan]

Bob, just curious... If the Law of God has not ended, do you keep kosher?

I don't keep Jewish tradition in that regard - but I do keep the commandments of God in Lev 11 - if that is what you mean.

So no pork, shellfish, rats, cats, dogs, bats etc. (and of course - no catfish)

 

[BABerean2]

Better to quote the actual Bible.

I agree 100%.

Your posting of the Westminster Confession of Faith would be a good example.

Also, posting 1 John 5:2-3 without posting 1 John 3:21-24 with it, would be another example.

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Act 10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:


Act 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.


Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.


Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.


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Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
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Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?


Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.


Gal 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

 

[BABerean2]

You make a mistake, by your apriori belief. You are assuming that the word "covenant" [Hebrews 9:4], in the "tables of the covenant", upon which is the written Law of God, the Ten Commandments, are referring to the 'old covenant'. It does not say that.

Your claim that the "old covenant" is not the 10 commandments stands in opposition to the understanding of Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi, who was a professor of Church History and Theology at Andrews University.

He was a scholar who has written numerous books from the standpoint of a Seventh Day Adventist.

On page 132 of his book "The Sabbath Under Crossfire" copyright dated 1998, he shows your viewpoint to be in error.

"The preceding study of the Sabbath in its relationship to the new Covenant has shown that there is an organic unity between the Old and the New Covenants-- a unity which is reflected in the continuity of the Sabbath. Both covenants are part of the everlasting covenant (Heb 13:20), that is, of God's commitment to save penitent sinners."

In the quote above Dr. Bacchiocchi uses the term "Old Covenant" to be synonymous with the 10 commandments containing the Sabbath commandment given at Sinai.

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[Acts24Fourteen]

...Act 10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

Act 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. ...

Ye do err, taking those passages out of their context:

Acts 10 and 11, are another widely mis-used and oft [sometimes purposefully] misunderstood passage on this subject of "Clean and Unclean". Let us look closer at what Peter the Apostle says as it is very important in more than one way [for Roman Catholics who believe in the infallible words of Peter in scripture, please listen very, very, carefully]:

GOD speaks to the Gentile Cornelius by an Angel, in a vision, saying that he was to send three men to bring Peter, so setting up a meeting between Jewry and Gentile:

There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian [band], (Acts 10:1)

[A] devout [man], and one that feared God with all his house, ... (Acts 10:2;p)

And now send men to Joppa, and call for [one] Simon, whose surname is Peter: (Acts 10:5)​

... he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do. (Acts 10:6;p)

... he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier ... (Acts 10:7;p)​

...he sent them to Joppa. (Acts 10:8;p)

The three gentile men travelled to Peter and he has his own vision:​

... Peter went up upon the housetop to prayabout the sixth hour: (Acts 10:9;p)

And he became very hungry, and would have eaten... (Acts 10:10;p)​

In the vision, Peter sees a sheet come down out of heaven covered with all manner of four-footed beasts, wild beasts, creeping things and fowls of the air, common and unclean, and a voice tells him to arise, kill and eat:

And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him... (Acts 10:11;p)

Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. (Acts 10:12)

And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. (Acts 10:13)​

...but Peter, even though very hungry, and the timeframe being well after the ascension of Christ Jesus (when He was supposed to have already abrogated or lifted the Food Laws as many incorrectly articulate), Peter absolutely refuses to even consider eating them and never takes anything out of the sheet that descended, he even refusing the direct commands of the "voice", saying instead that he has never eaten such(these words verify for all time that Peter continued to obey the Levitical and Deuteronomic Food Laws, long after the Ascension):

But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. (Acts 10:14)​

The voice then repeats the matter two more times, making a total of three, but Peter absolutely remains steadfast in the conviction and refuses to eat anything, even though being very hungry, and yet the voice continues by saying:

...again the second time, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common. (Acts 10:15;p)

This was done thrice...(Acts 10:16;p)​

Peter, knowing full well what the scriptures say about foods and what Christ Jesus Himself taught and lived by, was in doubt over the meaning of the message of the vision when the group from Cornelius came to visit him.

The Holy Spirit then tells Peter that He had sent the three men and to doubt nothing (very important words, for what had Peter been doubting in thought? the vision concerning the common and unclean which were sent of Heaven, for if Peter understood the words to "clean all unclean meats/foods" there would be no doubting):

Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius ... (Acts 10:17;p)

While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. (Acts 10:19)

... go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them. (Acts 10:20;p)​

Peter then goes down to see the three men sent of God, who then tell of the vision of Cornelius about contacting him:

Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; ... (Acts 10:21;p)

And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee. (Acts 10:22)

... Peter went away with them... (Acts 10:23;p)​

Peter then goes with the men to see Cornelius and those who had gathered with him:

... Cornelius waited for them, and had called together his kinsmen and near friends. (Acts 10:24;p)

And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together. (Acts 10:27)​

Peter, after seeing this, immediately expounds about what the visionary metaphor was truly all about, in that he was to no longer call any man common or unclean:

And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. (Acts 10:28)

Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: (Acts 10:34)

But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. (Acts 10:35)​

Did Peter speak of "Pork" or "Persons", did he speak of "food unclean" or "man unclean"? While Peter preaches the Gospel, the miracle occurs and the Holy Spirit is poured out upon the Gentiles, even those who had yet to be baptised by water (who then were):

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. (Acts 10:44)

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 10:45)

And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. (Acts 10:48)​

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

In Acts 11, Peter, repeats the entire matter:

And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God. (Acts 11:1)

...they that were of the circumcision contended with him, (Acts 11:2;p)

Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them. [please notice that the scripture does NOT say he ate unclean meats, it merely says he ate with them, being at the same table and fellowshipping with Gentiles, as Jesus had done] (Acts 11:3)​

[More especially, Cornelius, was [A] devout [man], and one that feared God with all his house Acts 10:2 and "a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews" Acts 10:22 and "worketh righteousness" Acts 10:35, which means that Cornelius and his household was already following the dietary commandments of God, He being of good report among the Jews and feared God, etc, but even if it be too much for others to think so, the text nowhere indicates in the slightest that Peter helped himself to pork-roast, lobster salad, skunk parfait, snail soup, etc,..., for Cornelius knew Peter was a Jew who feared God and would eat of no unclean things, for the text clearly says that nothing of such had ever entered into his mouth, forever sealing this text in favor of the Commandments of God on the subject of Clean and Unclean animals.]

But Peter rehearsed [the matter]... (Acts 11:4;p)

... A certain vessel descend... (Acts 11:5;p)

... I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. (Acts 11:6;p)

...Arise, Peter; slay and eat. (Acts 11:7;p)

But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth [We here have two times for a witness and sealed by the Holy Spirit, and this is again irrefutable evidence of Peter continuing to uphold the Levitical and Deuteronomic Food Laws long after CHRIST'S Death, Resurrection and Ascension]. (Acts 11:8)

... What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common. (Acts 11:9;p)

And this was done three times... (Acts 11:10;p)

And, behold, immediately there were three men ... (Acts 11:11)

And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. ... (Acts 11:12;p)

Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. (Acts 11:14)

Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as [he did] unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? (Acts 11:17)
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The conclusion of the matter of the visionary metaphor:

When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life. (Acts 11:18)​

As has been clearly shown, not in the whole of Acts Chapter 10 or 11 is there one single line of scripture alleviating or cancelling out the Levitical and Deuteronomic Food Laws.

In point of fact, they are permanently upheld by the Apostle Peter's own words, thoughts and actions, sealed by the Holy Spirit and given twice for a witness. The entirety is about bringing the good news of the Gospel of Salvation to the Gentiles.

Galatians 4:10, refers back to Colossians 2:14-16, which you have already been shown here does not refer to clean/unclean, but other things, such as meat/food and drink offerings, feast days, new moons and sabbaths of years.

[1] - http://www.christianforums.com/thre...my-commandments.7913355/page-13#post-68756464

[2] - http://www.christianforums.com/thre...my-commandments.7913355/page-13#post-68756471

[3] - http://www.christianforums.com/thre...my-commandments.7913355/page-13#post-68756473
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Address that which is already shown you. Cease from running.

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

...Samuele Bacchiocchi...

Ha! Now you are quoting "scholars" and "doctors" in stead of Scripture? Classic pattern of the scribe and pharisee in their blindness. Beware of the spiritual ditch of Revelation 17.

You ought know that such things carry absolutely no weight with me or any true Seventh-day Adventist.

Instead, it is written, To the Law and to the Testimony ...

You would do better to not quote the deceased Samuele and leave his choices be as they are and with God, unless you would now appear to look as if you support what he wrote, and then be shown in specific cases to be not in harmony with the Scripture and the SoP/ToJ itself, even as you already are.

 

[BABerean2]

As has been clearly shown, not in the whole of Acts Chapter 10 or 11 is there one single line of scripture alleviating or cancelling out the Levitical and Deuteronomic Food Laws.

In other words according to you the passage has nothing to do with Colossians 2:16-17 or the Gentiles not being required by the Jerusalem Council to keep the law of Moses.


Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

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Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.

Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Act 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.

Act 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

Act 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

Act 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Act 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

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[Acts24Fourteen]

...No Christian has ever kept the 10 commandments, because perfect obedience to the law is an illusion to everyone except the Son of God. It is our goal, but we will never get there.

If that is what you truly believe, then you will never reach the Promised Land, and you will perish in the wilderness upon its borders, even as they of old, for in the Promised Land, are to be those that do not sin, by Christ Jesus in them.

Scripture shows your error, for there are indeed those that God identifies, before the Second Coming, that "do" His Commandments and "Keep" them:

Revelation 12:17 KJV - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 KJV - Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14 KJV - Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.​

Notice who it is that goes into those Everlasting Gates.

Revelation 22:14 is citing the OT:

Psalm 118:19 KJV - Open to me the gates of righteousness: I will go into them, [and] I will praise the LORD:

Psalm 118:20 KJV - This gate of the LORD, into which the righteous shall enter.

1 John 2:29 KJV - If ye know that he [Jesus] is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 3:7 KJV - Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

John 14:6 KJV - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.​

Psalm 119:172 KJV - My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments [are] righteousness.

Deuteronomy 4:2 KJV - Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Isaiah 48:18 KJV - O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:​

Isaiah 26:2 KJV - Open ye the gates, that the righteous nation which keepeth the truth may enter in.

Psalm 119:142 KJV - Thy righteousness [is] an everlasting righteousness, and thy law [is] the truth.

Psalm 119:151 KJV - Thou [art] near, O LORD; and all thy commandments [are] truth.​

Those in-Christ have One who kept the 10 commandments in our place.

Christ Jesus is not merely substitute being the perfect man, but He also the perfect example of living in/by the Holy Spirit. The 'gospel' you promote is only half way, which will never lead all the way. It is powerless to save from sin [1 John 3:4].

1 John 2:6 KJV - He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

1 Peter 2:21 KJV - For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Deuteronomy 8:6 KJV - Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.

Deuteronomy 11:22 KJV - For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;

Deuteronomy 13:4 KJV - Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

2 John 1:6 KJV - And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

and more - https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=walk+commandments&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
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Salvation from sin is not merely covering of sin [1 John 3:4; for that is only temporary], it is then moreso power to live without it, forever [permanently].

Matthew 1:21 KJV - And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.​

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

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You can try to keep what ever Sabbath day you want ...

No, that is your misunderstanding and error. I [we] cannot "keep what ever Sabbath day [we] want", for it must be what He wants. Thy will be done, Psalms 40:8.

If I [we] kept [by the grace, power of God, Christ in us, by the Holy Spirit] any other day as the "Sabbath", inspite of His clear Commandments [Exodus 20:8-11; John 14:15; Exodus 20:6] it would be by my [our] own righteousness [which is no righteousness, it would be anti-christos, in the place of the anointed, for the 7th Day the Sabbath itself is blessed and hallowed, anointed of the LORD Jesus Himself] in the place of God's righteousness. It is the the Holy seventh day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God.

Romans 6:16 KJV - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin [1 John 3:4] unto death [Romans 6:23], or of obedience unto righteousness?​

... , but the Lord of the Sabbath should be inside of you every day of the week instead of just one. ...

This is your fallacy, and again your error, and a false apriori. Christ Jesus, who is indeed the LORD of the Sabbath [yes, even now], since in Creation and in His death for the Salvation of mankind, He rested the Holy 7th Day, is indeed in me all week and every day, except as any time I deliberately refuse to walk in the Commandments, choosing self over God, for Jesus cannot stay where love/obedience is not wanted. It is He which makes it [and me] Holy, even forever. He is the Author and Finisher [even as He is in Creation, the 7th Day].

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He is our Sabbath Rest.

Scripture? Here is what Jesus actually said:

Exodus 33:13 KJV - Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sight: and consider that this nation [is] thy people.

Exodus 33:14 KJV - And he said, My presence shall go [with thee], and I will give thee rest.

Exodus 33:18 KJV - And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.

Exodus 34:1 KJV - And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon [these] tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
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Exodus 34:2 KJV - And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount.

Exodus 34:4 KJV - And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.

Exodus 34:5 KJV - And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.

Exodus 34:6 KJV - And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,

Exodus 34:7 KJV - Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear [the guilty]; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth [generation].

Exodus 20:5 KJV - Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;

Exodus 20:6 KJV - And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14:15 KJV - If ye love me, keep my commandments.
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Matthew 11:28 KJV - Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.​

The rest, is rest from sin [1 John 3:4]. Those who seek to use Jesus as a cloak for their willing transgression of His Holy Law and Holy Commandment, will receive their just penalty, for even satan himself seeks to clothe himself with light, and in apparent innocence, all the while a transgressor of God's Law, of which he, once protected as the covering cherub.

...We are saved by Grace.

Tell me, ye who refuse God's Holy Law, the Ten Commandments, the very will of God, what are you saved from? From this vantage point, you are still in your sins, claiming a righteousness which you do not demonstrate in your actions, by refusing the one Holy Commandment which reveals the God of Creation [thus re-Creation] and rest.

... After that, others should see the fruit of our salvation.

The fruit we see of the 'gospel' you preach is disobedience. The fruit thereof is ashes, and tastes of death [Romans 6:23; 1 John 3:4].

...Sharing the Gospel with others is more important than attempting to keep a certain Sabbath day.

Then you do not understand the Everlasting Gospel itself, see Revelation 14:6-12. The Gospel is salvation "from" all sin, not continuance in it by a cloak.

If keeping a Sabbath day becomes the focus of your walk with Christ, you will miss what is important.

My focus is the LORD Christ Jesus, My LORD, the LORD of the 7th Day the Sabbath, and Him I do know, even as He knows me:

John 10:27 KJV - My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:​

I do not know your 'lord', nor your 'christ' ['anointed'; Ezekiel 28:14]. What is worse, my LORD, if you do not repent and come unto Him, that He may give you rest, will say He does not know you either:

Matthew 7:23 KJV - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity[G458].

1 John 3:4 KJV - Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth[G458] also the law:[G458] for sin is the transgression of the law.[G458]​

 

[BobRyan]

I agree 100%.
Your posting of the Westminster Confession of Faith would be a good example.

in that case you may prefer to read this -- 1689 "Baptist Confession of Faith"
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1689
http://www.creeds.net/baptists/1689/kerkham/1689.htm

Chapter 19
THE LAW OF GOD
19.1 God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience written in his heart,1 and a specific precept not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.2 By this he bound him and all his descendants to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience. God promised life on fulfilling it, and threatened death on breaching it, and he endued him with power and ability to keep it.3

(1) Gen 1:27; Ecc 7:29; Rom 2:12a,14-15
(2) Gen 2:16-17
(3) Gen 2:16-17; Rom 10:5; Gal 3:10,12

19.2 The same law that was first written in the human heart continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the fall.1 It was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai2 in ten commandments (written in two tables) the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six our duty to our fellow beings.3

(1) For the Fourth Commandment: Gen 2:3; Exo 16; Gen 7:4; 8:10,12. For the Fifth Commandment: Gen 37:10. For the Sixth Commandment: Gen 4:3-15. For the Seventh Commandment: Gen 12:17. For the Eighth Commandment: Gen 31:30; 44:8. For the Ninth Commandment: Gen 27:12. For the Tenth Commandment: Gen 6:2; 13:10-11
(2) Rom 2:12a,14-15
(3) Exo 32:15-16; 34:4,28; Deu 10:4

19.3 Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased to give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These were partly concerning worship, and in them Christ was prefigured—his graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits.1 They also gave instructions about various moral duties.2 All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of the New Testament, when Jesus Christ abrogated them and took them away, for he was the true Messiah and only law-giver, and was empowered to do this by the Father.3

(1) Heb 10:1; Col 2:16-17
(2) 1Co 5:7; 2Co 6:17; Jude 1:23
(3) Col 2:14,16-17; Eph 2:14-16

19.4 To the people of Israel he also gave various judicial laws which lapsed when they ceased as a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation,1 but their principles of equity continue to be applicable in modern times.2

(1) Luk 21:20-24; Act 6:13-14; Heb 9:18-19 with 8:7,13; 9:10; 10:1
(2) 1Co 5:1; 9:8-10

19.5 Obedience to the moral law remains forever binding on all, both justified persons and others,1 both in regard to the content of the law, and also to the authority of God the Creator who gave the law.2 Nor does Christ in any way dissolve this law in the Gospel, on the contrary, he strengthens our obligation [to obey the moral law].3

(1) Mat 19:16-22; Rom 2:14-15; 3:19-20; 6:14; 7:6; 8:3; 1Ti 1:8-11; Rom 13:8-10; 1Co 7:19 with Gal 5:6; 6:15; Eph 4:25-6:4; Jas 2:11-12
(2) Jas 2:10-11
(3) Mat 5:17-19; Rom 3:31; 1Co 9:21; Jas 2:8

19.6 Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works to be justified or condemned by it,1 yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, because as a rule of life it informs them of the will of God and their duty, and directs and binds them to walk accordingly.2

It also exposes the sinful defilement of their natures, hearts and lives, and as they use it to examine themselves, they come to greater conviction of sin, humiliation for sin, and hatred against sin. They also gain a clearer sight of their need of Christ, and the perfection of his obedience [to the law].3

Similarly, it is of use to the regenerate to restrain their corruption in that it forbids sin. The threatening of the law serve to show what even their sins deserve, and what troubles they may expect in this life because of their sins, even though they are freed from the curse and undiminished rigors of the law.4

The promises of the law also show believers God's approval of obedience, and what blessings they may expect when the law is kept,5 although these blessings are not due to them through the law as a covenant of works.6 If someone does good and refrains from evil simply because the law encourages the former and deters from the latter, that is not evidence of one's being under the law and not under grace.7

(1) Act 13:39; Rom 6:14; 8:1; 10:4; Gal 2:16; 4:4-5
(2) Rom 7:12,22,25; Psa 119:4-6; 1Co 7:19
(3) Rom 3:20; 7:7,9,14,24; 8:3; Jas 1:23-25
(4) Jas 2:11; Psa 119:101,104,128
(5) Eph 6:2-3; Psa 37:11; Mat 5:6; Psa 19:11
(6) Luk 17:10
(7) See the book of Proverbs; Mat 3:7; Luk 13:3,5; Act 2:40; Heb 11:26; 1Pe 3:8-13

19.7 These uses of the law are not contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but are entirely in line with it, for the Spirit of Christ subdues and enables the human will to do freely and cheerfully what the will of God revealed in the law requires to be done.1

(1) Gal 3:21; Jer 31:33; Eze 36:27; Rom 8:4; Tit 2:14
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[BobRyan]

Notice how this 19th century version of the BCoF by C.H. Spurgeon closely follows the 1689 version of the same document noted above
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Baptist Confession of Faith Section 19


C.H. Spurgeon's edition of the "Baptist Confession of Faith"
-- CH Spurgeon

The Perpetuity of the Law of God

Very great mistakes have been made about the law. Not long ago there were those about us who affirmed that the law is utterly abrogated and abolished, and they openly taught that believers were not bound to make the moral law the rule of their lives. What would have been sin in other men they counted to be no sin in themselves. From such Antinomianism as that may God deliver us. We are not under the law as the method of salvation, but we delight to see the law in the hand of Christ, and desire to obey the Lord in all things. Others have been met with who have taught that Jesus mitigated and softened down the law, and they have in effect said that the perfect law of God was too hard for imperfect beings, and therefore God has given us a milder and easier rule. These tread dangerously upon the verge of terrible error, although we believe that they are little aware of it.​

Section 19 of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" .
​

. The Law of God ​

• God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

• The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

• Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away. ​

• To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it ​

Baptist Confession of Faith

Section 22.


Point 7

7. As it is the law of nature that in general a proportion of time, by God's appointment, should be set apart for the worship of God, so He has given in His Word a positive, moral and perpetual commandment, binding upon all men, in all ages to this effect. He has particularly appointed one day in seven for a Sabbath to be kept holy for Him. From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week and called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued until the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week having been abolished.

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Have I got good news for your. C.H. Spurgeons update of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" in the 19th century that you see above (And that so closely mirrors the "Westminster Confession of Faith" is merely adding the verbiage into the pre-existing "Baptist Confession of Faith" from the 17th century(1689)

So then the 1689 version while more terse - is certainly loaded with the Bible references. Many of the texts in that list you have already seen quoted by me.​

 

[BobRyan]

Then notice how the "Westminster Confession of Faith" closely follows the "Baptist Confession of Faith" in section 19.

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Here we have section 19 of the Westminster - and of course you already have a few posts of mine quoting the "Baptist Confession of Faith"

Westminster Confession of Faith Section 19

"Westminster Confession of Faith"

Chapter XIX
Of the Law of God​

I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.

II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables: the first four commandments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.
III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits;l and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament

IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.

V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof; and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it. Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.
VI. Although true believers be not under the law, as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified, or condemned; yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life informing them of the will of God, and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts and lives; so as, examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin, together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of His obedience It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin: and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve; and what afflictions, in this life, they may expect for them, although freed from the curse thereof threatened in the law The promises of it, in like manner, show them God's approbation of obedience,and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof: although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works. So as, a man's doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law: and not under grace

VII. Neither are the forementioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it; the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely, and cheerfully, which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done.

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Section 21 of the Westminster and Section 22 of the Baptist both address point 7 "the change" the edit of the Sabbath commandment from the 7th day starting from creation and all through the OT and NT Gospel until the cross where it is "changed" in their mind -- to point to week-day-1

 

[BobRyan]

Also, posting 1 John 5:2-3 without posting 1 John 3:21-24 with it, would be another example.

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If you thin that 1 John 5:2-3 is negated by 1 John 3:21-24 - then you will have to "show it".


In the mean time we have this.

1 John 5:2-3
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

Ex 20:6 "love Me and KEEP My Commandments"
John 14:15 "IF you Love Me KEEP My Commandments"

1 John 3
See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is transgression of the LAW. 5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

NO WONDER you insist that 1 John 3 be read in conjunction with 1 John 5 -- !!!

 

[BobRyan]

Act 10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

Act 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Peter states that even years after the cross in Acts 10 -- still no eating rats, cats, dogs, or bats.

9 On the next day, as they were on their way and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. 10 But he became hungry and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance; 11 and he *saw the sky opened up, and an object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground, 12 and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air. 13 A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!” 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.” 15 Again a voice came to him a second time, “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.” 16 This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.

17 Now while Peter was greatly perplexed in mind as to what the vision which he had seen might be, behold, the men who had been sent by Cornelius, having asked directions for Simon’s house, appeared at the gate; 18 and calling out, they were asking whether Simon, who was also called Peter, was staying there. 19 While Peter was reflecting on the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are looking for you. 20 But get up, go downstairs and accompany them without misgivings, for I have sent them Myself.” 21 Peter went down to the men and said, “Behold, I am the one you are looking for; what is the reason for which you have come?” 22 They said, “Cornelius, a centurion, a righteous and God-fearing man well spoken of by the entire nation of the Jews, was divinely directed by a holy angel to send for you to come to his house and hear a message from you.” 23 So he invited them in and gave them lodging.

Peter at Caesarea
And on the next day he got up and went away with them, and some of the brethren from Joppa accompanied him. 24 On the following day he entered Caesarea. Now Cornelius was waiting for them and had called together his relatives and close friends. 25 When Peter entered, Cornelius met him, and fell at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter raised him up, saying, “Stand up; I too am just a man.” 27 As he talked with him, he entered and *found many people assembled. 28 And he said to them, “You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner or to visit him; and yet God has shown me that I should not call any man unholy or unclean. 29 That is why I came without even raising any objection when I was sent for. So I ask for what reason you have sent for me.”


Peter points out that the message of the vision was not really about "eat more rat sandwiches" - it was "call no MAN unclean" and so 3 men came to Peter - and 3 times the vision repeated. Peter did not understand the vision while all he had to work with was 'rat sandwiches' but when the gospel angle was presented -- then he knew what it meant. And Peter explained this point over and over again to his fellow Christians.

 

[BABerean2]

If that is what you truly believe, then you will never reach the Promised Land, and you will perish in the wilderness upon its borders, even as they of old, for in the Promised Land, are to be those that do not sin, by Christ Jesus in them.

An old Irish preacher visited a neighboring church and gave a sermon on sin.
After the sermon, an old woman walked up to the preacher and told him she had not sinned in 30 years.

The old preacher smiled and told her to try to make it for 4 more years and then she would have the record.

The old preacher might give you the same advice...


Jesus came to save rotten sinners like me by keeping God's Law for me.

When he laid down on that cross he could have prayed to the Father and had thousands of angels to intercede for him.

He did not because of me.

He came to this earth to live a perfect sinless life and then do for me what I could not do for myself.

There is nothing I have done and nothing that I could ever do to repay Him for His Blood that washed me white as snow.

Have you been "Born Again" by letting the Holy Spirit fill you with His presence?



Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.


Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?


Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

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Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:


Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.


Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

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1Jn 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.


1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.


1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.


1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

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Peter was not without sin...


Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

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[BobRyan]

Saints that have the Law of God written on their mind and heart - and are aware that this is what the Bible teaches -- are not likely to be found at war against it.

I am glad to see agreement that there is no salvation under the Old Covenant - just the New Covenant has salvation and it is the Gal 1:6-9 Gospel (one and ONLY Gospel) that was the "GOSPEL preached to US just as it was to THEM also" Heb 4:2 for the "GOSPEL was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:7

That NEW Covenant is in BOTH the OT and the NT.

No wonder New Covenant saints in both the OT and NT would have the "Law of God written on the mind and heart" --

we saw it in Jer 31:31-33 and in Heb 8


Jer 31:
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”



Heb 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete

Exegesis dictates that we admit to the "Moral law of God" known to Jeremiah and his readers.

Which is how this keeps coming up


1 John 5
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
According to the bible the "saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

 

[BABerean2]

Which is how this keeps coming up


1 John 5
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
According to the bible the "saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12 googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1445020441508-1'); });

1 John 3


1Jn 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.


1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.


1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.


1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.


1 John 5
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
According to the bible the "saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

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[Acts24Fourteen]

...

1Jn 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1 John 5
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
According to the bible the "saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

You seem to be carrying an erroneous definition of "love one another", which the scripture does not substantiate, and even warns against, for you see to think it is defined as that which excludes the 4th Commandment [Exodus 20:8-11], in specifically the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, and the rest thereon.

It seems you think that the commandments [plural, two] are "believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ" and "love one another", yes? You seem to like to quote 1 John 3:21-24, but out of its previous context which defines "sin" [ 1 John 3:4], and what that love entails in the details, of which if you would read in its entire passages, shows the definition of "love one another". Notice, the commandments are even from the beginning and are not new in time.

2 John 1:4 KJV - I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.

2 John 1:5 KJV - And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

2 John 1:6 KJV - And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

2 John 1:9 KJV - Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

2 John 1:10 KJV - If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:​

Let's see what else John had to say [especially at the beginning of 1 John 3] and what Jesus had to say and others like Paul:

1 John 3:1 KJV - Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 3:2 KJV - Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

1 John 3:3 KJV - And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

1 John 3:4 KJV - Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1 John 3:5 KJV - And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

1 John 3:6 KJV - Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 3:7 KJV - Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 3:8 KJV - He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 3:9 KJV - Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:10 KJV - In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
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What is "sin" according to John, in 1 John 3? It is transgression of the Law of God, the very Ten Commandments. What is "righteousness" according to the Bible? God's Law.

Psalm 119:172 KJV - My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments [are] righteousness.

Isaiah 48:18 KJV - O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:​

Notice who the "children of the devil" are. They are "whosoever" "doeth not righteousness", it is these that are "not of God", and are the ones that "neither ... loveth ... his brother", though they may claim to love their brother with their mouth, but they deny it in their actions, by transgressing God's Holy Law, The Ten Commandments.

1 John 3:11 KJV - For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
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Notice those words, even "from the beginning". Genesis. Notice how it describes murder is not love of brother:

1 John 3:12 KJV - Not as Cain, [who] was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.​