God told me to preach against sin until sin is exceedingly sinful again

[joevberry3]

Bunny and other True Brothers and Sisters In Christ--I have seen smart remarks made towards me on this thread and others.
Someone on another thread insinuated that I need to change my style of preaching. You know, if i never received stuff like that, i would know im not doing a very good job at preaching?
By people ridiculing and persecuting how i preach--it ensures me that im doing the will of God.
If i had no ridicule--if every body said good things about my ministry--i would either change my style or resign!
God Bless

 

[Svt4Him]

Bunny and other True Brothers and Sisters In Christ--I have seen smart remarks made towards me on this thread and others.
Someone on another thread insinuated that I need to change my style of preaching. You know, if i never received stuff like that, i would know im not doing a very good job at preaching?
By people ridiculing and persecuting how i preach--it ensures me that im doing the will of God.
If i had no ridicule--if every body said good things about my ministry--i would either change my style or resign!
God Bless

Offense for the sake of offense is not a seal of God. JW's would then be doing the will of God.

 

[joevberry3]

Joe,


Actually, you did respond to him when he asked the question. However, instead of answering it you asked him a question. It would have been nice if you would have just answered it as written and not read anything into it, especially since I asked him to ask you.


I have read this thread and do not see where Godz Marine insinuated or implied that this thread was about OSAS. I do not mean to stir things up, but it appears that you may read things into what is written. You have continually misconstrued what he has posted. It is as if you feel that there is a hidden agenda. Please do not misunderstand me, I am not making judgment but am stating how it appears to me.


This is an assumption and is incorrect.


The sin of rejecting Jesus is what sends one to hell. That does not mean that one can just do as one wants with no consequence. If one continues on a path of sin, one will eventually (if not immediately) reject Him.



God Bless!!
Dawn
Shining brightly for Jesus

Dawn, there have been several threads that me and Gods Marine were involved in. This isnt the only one. You only see what was written in the thread. Now if you want to ridicule and persecute me for trying to keep the peace, go ahead.
But, i do apologize if it seems i read anything into certain posts on this thread.

God Bless

 

[SuperBunny]

For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word.
In the statement, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Galatians 5-14

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[joevberry3]

Offense for the sake of offense is not a seal of God. JW's would then be doing the will of God.

So Brother---seems you think everybody should say good things about your preaching?
My bible says we will be persecuted because of Jesus. It doesnt say we will be loved by everybody!

 

[Svt4Him]

are you and superbunny related?

I thought I said if you use persecution for a mark of a calling from God, then JW's are equally persecuted, so equally called by God. There is a difference between persecution for being offensive and persecution for righteousness sake.

Now if both you and super would care to stop putting words in my mouth, I'd appreciate it. Some may actually like you to think for them, I don't. Thanks anyway though.

 

[SuperBunny]

There seems to be so many watered down christians now days.
I believe it may be part of the great apostacy.
It is hard to tell one from the other.
the reason for this in my humble opinion is some Christians say I am saved and God loves me I have to do nothing.

Okay I agree with you here. This is how I see it too. It's the doctrine of churches that kiss their rears all the time and get their money that leads them to believe they can never lose their salvation. They think they have to smile and be caring to people and they are fine.

If you are going to talk just about being loving, you must clarify yourself. Because nonchristians and liberals do the same and they also use bible verses as quick as famous people too. Biblical truth and love is different than just love.

 

[SuperBunny]

"they use bible veres as easily as they use famous quotes from nonchristians" is what I meant in post #87

 

[SuperBunny]

Preaching against sin is expressing deep love for your neighbour. Who can truly love his neighbour and watch him live a life of sin without telling him about it? How much more so for a Christian brother or sister who has been redeemed and is continuing in his/her old sinful ways?

But it is important amidst this preaching to always do it in love, to never forget its loving motive and to let the Holy Spirit guide you in love.

This is true. Love is patient and with a calm tone and no evil eye. People who can live their life better need to also see the way out and the way to do things. If you can give them some suggestions of what to do instead they may not take them but at least they are seeing toward the future in a way as an alternative. If you focus on the problem only, they will know that you are just wanting to make them feel bad. Anyone would be suspicious of your motives in that case.

 

[SuperBunny]

As posted before:

Charles Finney stated, "God is not angry merely against the sin abstracted from the sinner, but against the sinner himself. Some persons have labored hard to set up this ridiculous and absurd abstraction, and would fain make it appear that God is angry at sin, yet not at the sinner. He hates the theft, but loves the thief. He abhors adultery, but is pleased with the adulterer. Now this is supreme nonsense. The sin has no moral character apart from the sinner. The act is nothing apart from the actor. The very thing that God hates and disapproves is not the mere event—the thing done in distinction from the doer; but it is the doer himself. It grieves and displeases Him that a rational moral agent, under His government, should array himself against his own God and Father, against all that is right and just in the universe. This is the thing that offends God. The sinner himself is the direct and the only object of his anger."

This is true. They set it up along the lines of "love the sinner hate the sin". While that may be true with how we treat others, it is not true that God just loves the sinners too. It makes no sense. Even when we love people we must be looking out for their best interests, and not flattering them.

 

[Iddie4him]

Then you might as well go to a UU church, a Unitarian Univeralist church where its all about love and there are known proud witches and gay people, and those living with their nonmarried mate, and druggies in the congregation. They preach on love there all the time. If its just as good, why don't you go there?

Superbunny,
Perhaps you might try being a little kinder in your posts.....Comments in posts such as these are a little insulting.

 

[SuperBunny]

It’s good to preach against sin to lost souls, but not to Christians who already accepted Christ and whose sin is washed away with the blood of Jesus.

God normally uses the Evangelic ministry to preach about sin.

Are you saying you don't sin then and don't need to be reminded? He who says that they do not sin is a liar according to the bible. You do sin, and you do need to be reminded, and if you go back to your old sins, you are still at fault again. You must keep watch over yourself. We are also confronted with new situations all the time and in them we have new temptations as well. YOU do know that I'm sure. We all have to watch ourselves. We all need to hear that we have to watch ourselves because we CAN lose our salvation for good.

 

[joevberry3]

Offense for the sake of offense is not a seal of God. JW's would then be doing the will of God.

Hi Svt4him--what exactyly did this post mean then brother? Seems you were comparing my thoughts on persecution to Jehovah's Witnesses. Sorry, if i took it wrong, but im not the only one that took it that way.
God Bless,
Joe

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

*MOD HAT ON*


THERE IS ENTIRELY TOO MUCH SARCASIM OOZING THROUGH THIS THREAD. EVEN MOD'S HAVE HAD SARCASTIC REMARKS MADE TOWARD THEM. I HIGHLY SUGGEST THAT THE FORUM RULES BE REVIEWED AND IF YOU CANNOT TALK TO PEOPLE IN LOVE THEN TAKE YOUR SARCASIM ELSEWHERE.

AND IF ANYONE DARES TO RESPOND SARCASTICALLY TO THIS POST AND ANY OTHER HEREAFTER. . .FORUM PROTOCOL WILL BE FOLLOWED. SO IT'S IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO FOLLOW THE RULES.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

*MOD HAT ON*


THERE IS ENTIRELY TOO MUCH SARCASIM OOZING THROUGH THIS THREAD. EVEN MOD'S HAVE HAD SARCASTIC REMARKS MADE TOWARD THEM. I HIGHLY SUGGEST THAT THE FORUM RULES BE REVIEWED AND IF YOU CANNOT TALK TO PEOPLE IN LOVE THEN TAKE YOUR SARCASIM ELSEWHERE.

AND IF ANYONE DARES TO RESPOND SARCASTICALLY TO THIS POST AND ANY OTHER HEREAFTER. . .FORUM PROTOCOL WILL BE FOLLOWED. SO IT'S IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO FOLLOW THE RULES.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

*MOD HAT ON*


THERE IS ENTIRELY TOO MUCH SARCASIM OOZING THROUGH THIS THREAD. EVEN MOD'S HAVE HAD SARCASTIC REMARKS MADE TOWARD THEM. I HIGHLY SUGGEST THAT THE FORUM RULES BE REVIEWED AND IF YOU CANNOT TALK TO PEOPLE IN LOVE THEN TAKE YOUR SARCASIM ELSEWHERE.

AND IF ANYONE DARES TO RESPOND SARCASTICALLY TO THIS POST AND ANY OTHER HEREAFTER. . .FORUM PROTOCOL WILL BE FOLLOWED. SO IT'S IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO FOLLOW THE RULES.

 

[Svt4Him]

Hi Svt4him--what exactyly did this post mean then brother? Seems you were comparing my thoughts on persecution to Jehovah's Witnesses. Sorry, if i took it wrong, but im not the only one that took it that way.
God Bless,
Joe

I was. Jehovah's Witnesses think that when someone slams a door on them, then that's a mark they are doing God's service. So to say because you are being persecuted you are doing God's work is a bad measuring tool, IMO. One could be persecuted because they are being offensive, and that is no indication of Godliness. The gospel is an offense to the unsaved, but if you are offending all with it, then maybe someone questioning your presentation is not God's seal of approval, but correction in the form of iron sharpening iron.

Are you saying you don't sin then and don't need to be reminded? He who says that they do not sin is a liar according to the bible. You do sin, and you do need to be reminded, and if you go back to your old sins, you are still at fault again. You must keep watch over yourself. We are also confronted with new situations all the time and in them we have new temptations as well. YOU do know that I'm sure. We all have to watch ourselves. We all need to hear that we have to watch ourselves because we CAN lose our salvation for good.

The Bible says to examine yourself, not others.

And I wasn't being sarcastic when I asked if you two were the same posters. Are you?

 

[Swtsnshyn]

Joe,

Dawn, there have been several threads that me and Gods Marine were involved in. This isnt the only one. You only see what was written in the thread. Now if you want to ridicule and persecute me for trying to keep the peace, go ahead.
But, i do apologize if it seems i read anything into certain posts on this thread.

God Bless

Please do not misunderstand me; I am not trying to be sarcastic or mean.

It was never my intention (and still is not) to ridicule or persecute you for anything, and if you felt that I did, I apologize. However, I am very aware of the threads that Godz Marine and you have been involved in, and have read most of them.




God Bless!!
Dawn
Shining brightly for Jesus

 

[LeeS]

Are you saying you don't sin then and don't need to be reminded? He who says that they do not sin is a liar according to the bible. You do sin, and you do need to be reminded, and if you go back to your old sins, you are still at fault again. You must keep watch over yourself. We are also confronted with new situations all the time and in them we have new temptations as well. YOU do know that I'm sure. We all have to watch ourselves. We all need to hear that we have to watch ourselves because we CAN lose our salvation for good.

As for my answer to the first question . . .YES! I'm not saying that I never sin but I can say I do not sin every day. According to the Bible the old is passed away and all is new.

According to 2 Peter 1:5-10 "giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. Fof if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and had forgotten that he was cleansed for his old sins. Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;

1 John 1:10 says, "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." I have sinned. I have asked forgiveness. And according to His word those sins are washed as white as snow and they are cast into the sea and remembered against us no more.

I personally have found that we are to look to Jesus as the Author and Finisher of our faith. It is because we keep looking at ourselves that we fall. If we look at Jesus and rely on Him then He will guide us into all truth.

No, I'm not saying that we never have to be careful of the enemy. He roams about as a "roaring lion seeking whom he may devour". However, as long as I obey scripture and "submit to God and resist the devil", then "he will flee". And if I fall it will only be because I was "drawn away by my own lust's"

As long as we are doing what Peter said in the first scripture I listed, we don't have to be concerned about falling. We can look into His face and bask in the light of it and walk with confidense that the "steps of the righteous are oredered of the LORD!"

 

[LynneClomina]

Lynne, I have very few calvinist friends. While I would never ever tell them they are going to hell for having a difference in view, and consider them christians as I do for Catholics and even Mormons and JWs who are all MORAL and believe in Christ, the calvinists tell me outright most of the time that I am going to hell, not a christian etc. I have nonchristian conservative friends before calvinist chrisitan friends. The calvinists are as friendly to me in most cases as the nonchristian liberals. So, lol, it is surprising to me that you would consider me a friend, because it is not the norm that I have encountered.

hun, if yer christian, yer saved as far as i know. i wont tell ya otherwise! i DO think JW's and mormons are a little different, but i just wouldnt talk religion with them much. i like to discuss, but less to debate. so sure, i'd be your friend. i dont understand ppl who wouldnt on the basis of you being arminian, to be honest! just agree to disagree on what you disagree on. that's all!!!!

be blessed!!!