God told me to preach against sin until sin is exceedingly sinful again

[Swtsnshyn]

Joe,

Hi Dawn, sorry for misunderstanding your last post.
As far a Gods Marine, i decided to stay away from his questioning. I dont hold grudges, but in order to keep these post's peaceful thats why i did it.

Actually, you did respond to him when he asked the question. However, instead of answering it you asked him a question. It would have been nice if you would have just answered it as written and not read anything into it, especially since I asked him to ask you.

This thread has nothing at all to do with OSAS and after he insinuated it was about OSAS, i decided at that time, to try and abstain from his messages to me.

I have read this thread and do not see where Godz Marine insinuated or implied that this thread was about OSAS. I do not mean to stir things up, but it appears that you may read things into what is written. You have continually misconstrued what he has posted. It is as if you feel that there is a hidden agenda. Please do not misunderstand me, I am not making judgment but am stating how it appears to me.

I have been praying seriously about this, for some reason he has it in his mind that ALL i do is preach about OSAS and that is very false.

This is an assumption and is incorrect.

Sin is what sends us to Hell.

The sin of rejecting Jesus is what sends one to hell. That does not mean that one can just do as one wants with no consequence. If one continues on a path of sin, one will eventually (if not immediately) reject Him.



God Bless!!
Dawn
Shining brightly for Jesus

 

[LynneClomina]

hey, superbunny!

do ya only want arminian friends?

do ya reject calvinists as potential friends on the basis of them being calvinists?

i hope not.

i'll be yer friend.

but i'm a calvininst!

 

[LynneClomina]

The sin of rejecting Jesus is what sends one to hell. That does not mean that one can just do as one wants with no consequence. If one continues on a path of sin, one will eventually (if not immediately) reject Him.

isnt it SIN (our sin nature) that sends us to hell, not SINS (things we do)? because i am still a sinner even though i'm a christian. if it were ANYTHING that i DO (and DO is including rejecting Christ among all other sins) then we'd all be on the elevator going down....

 

[Swtsnshyn]

isnt it SIN (our sin nature) that sends us to hell, not SINS (things we do)? because i am still a sinner even though i'm a christian. if it were ANYTHING that i DO (and DO is including rejecting Christ among all other sins) then we'd all be on the elevator going down....

We are and will ever be in our sin nature unless we choose to accept Jesus. It is only through Him that our sin nature changes.




God Bless!!
Dawn
Shining brightly for Jesus

 

[SuperBunny]

Joe, I've seen your profile as freewill Baptist. Does freewill Baptist believe that you need faith and works to be saved, AND to maintain salvation? That is good. Please give me an answer though. I am trying to find out what churches believe.

I don't think your denom believes in spiritual gifts in the sign gift way such as prophecy, and tongues. I do believe that however, but I do not like the wildness that goes on the pentocostal churches. I was even going to go to a church of Christ because they believe arminian but although they are cessationists they do not confuse people and the service is orderly. I do not need to see gifted people in the church or convince people of it to go to church. The main thing to be saved is not about gifts but about staying with the truth. I am very upset with the churches that say you are saved for just believing. It really shows that they think very little of God in my opinion.

 

[SuperBunny]

hey, superbunny!

do ya only want arminian friends?

do ya reject calvinists as potential friends on the basis of them being calvinists?

i hope not.

i'll be yer friend.

but i'm a calvininst!

Lynne, I have very few calvinist friends. While I would never ever tell them they are going to hell for having a difference in view, and consider them christians as I do for Catholics and even Mormons and JWs who are all MORAL and believe in Christ, the calvinists tell me outright most of the time that I am going to hell, not a christian etc. I have nonchristian conservative friends before calvinist chrisitan friends. The calvinists are as friendly to me in most cases as the nonchristian liberals. So, lol, it is surprising to me that you would consider me a friend, because it is not the norm that I have encountered.

 

[SuperBunny]

"The first duty of the Gospel preacher is to declare God's Law and show the nature of sin, because it will act as a schoolmaster and bring him to everlasting life which is in Jesus Christ." Martin Luther

"Before I preach love, mercy and grace, I must preach sin, Law and judgment." John Wesley

"Preach 90 percent Law and 10 percent grace." John Wesley, to a colleague.

"They will never accept grace until they tremble before a just and holy Law." Charles Spurgeon

"Evermore the Law must prepare the way for the gospel; to overlook this in instructing souls is almost certain to result in false hope, the introduction of a false standard of Christian experience, and to fill the church with false converts." Charles Finney

"The highest service to which a man may attain on earth is to preach the Law of God." John Wycliffe

"God, being a perfect God, had to give a perfect Law, and the Law was not given to save men, but to measure them." D.L. Moody



These are some great quotes from some great Preachers that I agree 100% with!

God Bless

This is true Joe in my opinion. Good quotes.

I think what is more needed than just preaching against sin, is about living life practically and wisely in specifics. Alot of times people do not know what sin is really to them. Without putting rules out and becoming a cult, preachers really ought to talk about specific things, and without a tone of trying to intimidate others. Just talk normally with normal tone. I've seen alot of preachers "preach against sin" and they are just screaming with hatred, and no one really hears any specifics. I am not saying you are like that, but I'm saying what I associate with what "preach against sin" is. If someone is not giving some wisdom out, they aren't showing guts either. A vague sermon that's all about "against sin" is often just blowing smoke, because no one is expected to still do anything specific to keep themselves in check. And when I have heard specifics mentioned, there is often intimidation of tone or jokes involved or both. Jokes are no place in a serious sermons about how to avoid hell! And sometimes they get into rules as specifics which are not about morality, like no tv, no cutting your hair, no wholesome dancing, no swimming in the lake in a swimsuit, etc.

Those who preach must be very careful as to what they are doing.

 

[SuperBunny]

You should be preaching on God's mercy, grace and righteousness thru Jesus the Christ. When these are brought out in their pure unadulterated forms, people will see how sinful they are.

If you focus on sin, then you only make your congregation more sin-conscious instead of Son-conscious. And the danger here is that you create in them what the Bible calls an "evil" conscience -- one where people are inward looking -- always looking at themselves, whether they have sinned or done well today. in the end, self-righteousness for those who are able to not sin so much, and misery for those who fail.

This is the most ridiculous reasoning I have ever heard.

Preaching against sin is GOOD. Just don't use your own force and intimidate people, or start making rules that do not have to do with morality, or be so vague as where no one is learning any wise ways to live, and yet you think you have shown guts but you have not.

 

[SuperBunny]

Joe,

Define, "Preaching against sin" as you say we are to do. Give us an example please.

How is this a new concept to you? How can you not understand what that means?

 

[SuperBunny]

Joe,

Please define "preaching against sin". Also, it would help if you were able to give a short example to better clarify your definition.



God Bless!!
Dawn
Shining brightly for Jesus

Read the words of Jesus in your bible, and John. You do know who they are right?

 

[SuperBunny]

Hi Dawn. We are to warn people of their sins, especially those that are NOT saved.
We dont beat them over the head with their sins, but we do preach to them.
One verse that pretty much tells us to preach against sin is in Proverbs 28:23
"He that rebuketh a man shall afterwards find more favour than he that flattereth with the tongue."

We are to rebuke a man for sin. Once again, let me say we dont beat him over the head with it. In that case we will run him away from Christ.
But we do preach against sin.
Have you ever attended a church that "NEVER" preached against sin in any way, shape or form?

God Bless,
Joe

I've seen many churches that look like newage churches. All about believing and not doing. All about love for a buzz, and not doing what you should to have joy. It has all harmed me greatly in my life. I was wrong to think I was too young to understand before. I was not too young, I was weak and intimidated. The harm these churches do is immeasurable to people.

 

[Svt4Him]

God gives grace to the humble, and most sin preachers don't. Here's a brief look into my life. I love preaching sin. I use a teaching called Hell's Best Kept Secret that talks about how the law is used to bring conviction to a person, so I agree with every single quote joevberry3 posted. But to live by the law makes one die by the law. The tree in the garden had both the knowledge of good and bad, and both led to death. The law is perfect, and it changes one. Jesus always used the law when proud people came to Him. But to Nicodemus, He used grace. And in Acts there was grace, as these were devout Jews who had come to celebrate the law. If you don't understand the grace, be careful in the law. It took a near divorce (the papers were filled out), and coming close to wishing I was dead for me to understand the grace of God. I almost left my two children, one who was one, the other was four. It did nearly kill me. I see sin as horrible, but my heart has empathy. Fall on the rock before it falls on you. But I also saw that in that, you want people around who will just be there for you. I had one person who came and said "Vince, I know you're going through a hard time. If you want to talk, I'm here for you. If not, no problem. Let's go golfing." while the rest were telling me what I should or shouldn't do. That one person showed me more of God's love then all the rest, except my pastor. Someone caught in sin? I can say they need to repent, but I'll lend a hand to get them there, and I sure as stink won't think it could never happen to me.

 

[SuperBunny]

What sin is it that you are preaching against? There is only 1 sin that sends man to hell. . .that would be the sin of rejecting Jesus as Savior. The other sins as listed in the word seperate us from fellowship with God. I don't believe that it means as a blood bought born again Child of God, that everytime I fall short, I'm going to hell unless I can repent before I die.

As blood washed, once was lost, but now I see saints, we are to submit to God and resist the devil. The problem is, a lot of Christians are not being taught the proper way of resistance. . . which is of course, submitting to God.

Quaffer, many sins send people to hell. And you better watch yourself if that's the case with how you think. Haven't you read verses about drunkenness, fornication, homosexuality, thiefs, liars, revilers, etc. If people do them and die they will go to hell, but for lesser sins they won't. The bible is clear that there are some sins that are worse than others and some that will send you to hell. But I know you're church doesn't tell you the truth.

 

[SuperBunny]

God gives grace to the humble, and most sin preachers don't. Here's a brief look into my life. I love preaching sin. I use a teaching called Hell's Best Kept Secret that talks about how the law is used to bring conviction to a person, so I agree with every single quote joevberry3 posted. But to live by the law makes one die by the law. The tree in the garden had both the knowledge of good and bad, and both led to death. The law is perfect, and it changes one. Jesus always used the law when proud people came to Him. But to Nicodemus, He used grace. And in Acts there was grace, as these were devout Jews who had come to celebrate the law. If you don't understand the grace, be careful in the law. It took a near divorce (the papers were filled out), and coming close to wishing I was dead for me to understand the grace of God. I almost left my two children, one who was one, the other was four. It did nearly kill me. I see sin as horrible, but my heart has empathy. Fall on the rock before it falls on you. But I also saw that in that, you want people around who will just be there for you. I had one person who came and said "Vince, I know you're going through a hard time. If you want to talk, I'm here for you. If not, no problem. Let's go golfing." while the rest were telling me what I should or shouldn't do. That one person showed me more of God's love then all the rest, except my pastor. Someone caught in sin? I can say they need to repent, but I'll lend a hand to get them there, and I sure as stink won't think it could never happen to me.

Since when is Joe talking about preaching the Levitical Law? LOL. You don't confuse me. I know your pat answers. The moral law is what Jesus spoke of, not the Levitical law. The moral law is more than just love for if it were just love then the druggie hippies who have shared their food after their orgies would be in heaven, and all the hardcore liberals.

 

[SuperBunny]

So, do you think we shouldnt preach against sin?

God Bless

NOt if you're a Unitarian Universalist preacher which does not recognize God as Jesus or any standards. So many churches want their members to have love buzzes from each other. That is not what builds character. It has harmed me.

 

[joevberry3]

Joe, I made a typo in my question. Yes, I asked if you were calvinist. I'm arminian, and having problems finding a church since I found out the truth. It seems the churches I am running into are calvinst though they say arminian. Are you an arminian then, or won't take sides or are a 3-point calvinst or 4-point calvinst? There are so few arminians on board here. I am surprised when I find any.

Yeah, i am very much arminian.
PM me if you ever need any help.
Blessings,
Joe

 

[SuperBunny]

Glory to God! It is so awesome to see someone(especially one so young) that see's preaching against sin is LOVE.
Praise God, bless ya Perceivence!
I have been accused of being unloving cause i preach against sin and most of my posts deal with sin.
I am so thankful that a Pastor took the time to warn me of my sin years ago! I think that was the greatest Love anybody could have for another. So much Love, that he didnt want to see my soul in Hell.
God Bless,
Joe

Alot of people today have anxiety and mood disorders and they do not have a sober temperment. It is very difficult to them to take loving warnings without having them get unneccessarily upset. Those of us that are free from such disorders, don't get upset like that. That's why love is so important, that's why a calm tone, and not giving the congregation the evil eye is so important. Because when people discipline themselves more, including getting the proper rest, and not stressing out over things that they do have control of, the unconscious mood disorders do leave in time.

 

[SuperBunny]

But they need gentle care, because alot of us are nervous wrecks.

 

[joevberry3]

Joe, I've seen your profile as freewill Baptist. Does freewill Baptist believe that you need faith and works to be saved, AND to maintain salvation? That is good. Please give me an answer though. I am trying to find out what churches believe.

I don't think your denom believes in spiritual gifts in the sign gift way such as prophecy, and tongues. I do believe that however, but I do not like the wildness that goes on the pentocostal churches. I was even going to go to a church of Christ because they believe arminian but although they are cessationists they do not confuse people and the service is orderly. I do not need to see gifted people in the church or convince people of it to go to church. The main thing to be saved is not about gifts but about staying with the truth. I am very upset with the churches that say you are saved for just believing. It really shows that they think very little of God in my opinion.

Hi Bunny. We dont believe works is what saves us, but we do believe obedience keeps us. We believe we have to abide in Jesus, just as the Bible commands.
However, some Freewill Baptist Churches believe we can live like Hell and still have Jesus.
I have a very good friend that Pastor's at another Freewill Baptist Church and he really believe NOTHING we do cause's us to lose salvation.
If you are looking for a church, the best docrtinally sound church is Assembly of God--I live in a small town near Myrtle Beach SC, so we dont have an assembly of God church here, the closest is one hour away.
God Bless

 

[SuperBunny]

preaching against sin is good but love is just as good.

Then you might as well go to a UU church, a Unitarian Univeralist church where its all about love and there are known proud witches and gay people, and those living with their nonmarried mate, and druggies in the congregation. They preach on love there all the time. If its just as good, why don't you go there?