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God spoke to me

Discussion in 'Exploring Christianity' started by chriscomplex, May 19, 2017.

  1. Saint Beloved

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    Apology not necessary but accepted in good faith friend :) we are one in Him.
    Don't I know it hehe always getting myself in trouble for misunderstanding!
     
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  2. JoeP222w

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    That is called dodging the point. The fundamental point of this topic clearly is what is the sole authoritative truth of God. And that is scripture. And that is not "off topic" to this thread.
     
  3. Stabat Mater

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    Yes it is, this thread isn't in GT.
     
  4. JoeP222w

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    There is no separation from "Exploring Christianity" and "General Theology".

    The moment this thread used the word "God", "Jesus", "Bible" or "Christianity" it opens a discussion of Theology.
     
  5. Phil 1:21

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    God speaks to all of us. We need only to listen.

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  6. Beautyinsteadofashes

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    God speaks to us in different ways. Suddenly someone comes up to you and says something encouraging right when you're feeling like you've failed. That was god speaking to you through that person. A song plays on the radio that touches you, that's god. You "randomly" open your bible to a passage that relates to everything you're going through. That's god.
    But what we all over love or both of us Overlook is that God speaks to all of us through our conscience period because he is our conscience. Think about a time when you felt like not doing the right thing but some smaller voice inside you said no you know this isn't right and you know you need to do the right thing don't just let that go don't you go do the wrong thing you know better and you know you need to go do what is right. Our conscience stops us from following our flesh would we want to do something wrong or would we don't want to do the right thing because we just don't feel like it or whatever the reason our conscience stops US it says do you know that you need to do the right thing here that is God inside of all of us that is the still small voice inside all of us speaking to everyone of us so he does talk to every single one of us
     
  7. chriscomplex

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    Yes, read your bible Christians.
     
  8. chriscomplex

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    I think the conscience is the seat of the soul, not God.
     
  9. Episaw

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    I know of seven ways that God speaks to us. There may be more.

    1. Through the scriptures

    2. Through prayer

    3. Through circumstances

    4. Through an audible voice

    5. Through an impression in your spirit

    6. Through the gifts of the spirit i.e. discernment

    7. Through a prophecy.
     
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  10. aiki

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    Too many times.

    No, it is not real. It is not biblical, either. Not once in the Bible does God ever speak to anyone in their thoughts. And Christians are never urged in the Bible to expect or to seek such a communication from God. Instead, they are told to hear from God in His word, the Bible.

    2 Timothy 3:16-17
    16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
    17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


    Psalms 19:7-11
    7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul; The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;
    8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart; The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes;
    9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
    10 More to be desired are they than gold, Yea, than much fine gold; Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
    11 Moreover by them Your servant is warned, And in keeping them there is great reward.


    When God spoke in the accounts of the Bible, it was usually audibly and often accompanied by something unmistakably supernatural: burning bush, talking donkey, blinding light. In other instances, God spoke through an angel, or by writing with a finger on a wall, or through a prophet, or in a dream or vision. But there is no account in Scripture of God just speaking privately right into someone's mind.

    I have never had God speak to me as a voice in my mind. I've been a Christian for 43 years. I have asked other believers to explain why they think a voice in their mind is God and all they ever say is, "I just know." This wouldn't be accepted as an argument for, say, atheism and it shouldn't be accepted as an argument or justification for the claim of hearing God speak. These hearers of a divine voice often cite John 10 as a basis for their belief that they can hear God's voice in their head, but this is something they read into the chapter rather than something that can be drawn out of it.
     
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  11. Episaw

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    Tell me is this God or satan.

    I was the guest speaker at a FGBFI Breakfast. After I had finished talking, I offered prayer for anyone who wanted it.

    They were all sat at tables so I knelt down beside the first couple I was going to pray for. God told me not to ask them what they wanted prayer for. I was to ask him, so I did.

    The word that came to me was incest. Because most people could hear what I was praying, I was careful not to use that word so I prayed and said that this marriage was born in sorrow etc etc. The wife started crying.

    Afterward, I went back to them and said to the wife "It was incest, wasn't it?" "Yes," she said, "It was my grandfather."

    So God or satan?
     
  12. tturt

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    Yahweh gave you a word of knowledge in order to help them. Seems most of the manifestations of the gifts of The Spirit work that way. (I Cor 12). Because usually there's no way for us to know that type of information otherwise. Moses wanted all the people to hear Him to prophesy (Num 11) as did Paul (I Cor 14) Some say they don't want someone they don't know prophesying to them and one said he would stop them. Personally would listen more to a word that's being given by the believer that doesn't know me at all. Realizing that prophecy is a word, a part (I Cor 13:9) and it's to be tested afterwards (I Thess 5:20-21)

    Yahweh can speak anyway He wants such as a still, quiet voice (I Kings 18-19) or thunder (John 12) or used a donkey (Numbers 22). Sometimes we think He spoke to a relatively few number of individuals in Scripture and only to those who belonged to Him. But in the OT, from the beginning Yahweh wanted to speak with everyone. Couple of examples - Adam, Eve, and their children, Gen and Deu 5 includes "These words the Lord spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: ..." Also, everyone in Saul's party on the Damascus Road heard His audible voice (And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. Acts 9:7). Most importantly, after Yeshua had been on the earth for over 3 years and gave up his spirit on the cross, the veil which is reported to be 4" thick was torn from top to bottom in Matt 27, to me it means we can all speak with Him and hear Him.

    Of course, we're to rely on Yahweh's word. (What we hear doesn't take the same status as Scripture and He's not going to say we're an exception to His Word). Sometimes He'll say which Scripture to read or bring to our remembrance Scripture (John 14:26). So it's not just reading The Bible and one-way communication. Also, for believers to be Spirit led would include hearing Yahweh's voice (Rom 8:14; Psa 37:23). When it's from Him, it'll point to Him. He guides us (Psa 32:8; Pro 16:9), convicts us (Rom 2), and tells us things to come (John 16:13). Additionally, there are some general things we're to do like spread the gospel (Mark 16:50) but we also we're to know the details of His purpose for us (Rom 8:28; II Tim 1:9)

    Confession: Learned Yahweh still speaks but the problem was I didn't want to hear Him because of the concern of what He would say. Came to a point where I really needed to hear Him so repented for not accepting Scripture such as John 10:27 and asks Him for His help. He was doing His part and wasn't obligated to speak the way I wanted nor say what I wanted to hear. But I needed to make the effort and take the time to learn to hear Him. We have to apply ourselves to learn Scripture after all. Gave up a couple of things I like to do and read a couple of books including "How to Hear the Voice of God in a Noisy World" by Theresa Seputis which gives examples and how to check for accuracy. When learning, it was helpful to have times where distractions were eliminated (Psa 46:10, Matt 6:6; 11:15; Hak 2).
     
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  13. aiki

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    See, the thing about these stories is that there is no way to verify their truth. I don't know you. You could be entirely fabricating this story just to try to establish your point of view. Then again, you may entirely truthful. I have no way of telling one way or the other. In any event, your personal experience (and mine) is subject to the word of God, not the other way 'round. And Scripture offers no support for what you claim is a "word from God." Why couldn't it be Satan in your mind working to acclimate you to following his voice and causing you to trust it so that at some point he can lead you easily and completely into destruction? How better to do this than to get you thinking and trusting that his voice is the voice of God? Why couldn't Satan have given you the tidbit of knowledge about the woman being incestuously abused? A lady I was speaking to a few weeks ago told me how her psychic can tell her all sorts of things the psychic couldn't possibly know about private things in the lady's life. How does the psychic know what she knows? Is it God sharing this knowledge with the psychic? Absolutely not.

    So, how do you discern what is of God and what is of the great counterfeiter and deceiver, the devil? Circumstance? Result? Strength of feeling? All these things can be manipulated and made to appear as light when in fact they are of the darkness. The only objective and sure source of clear and unchanging and incorruptible truth is God's word. That I can trust far more than any voice in my head. I think God agrees which is why we never find in Scripture any example of people being led about by a voice in their mind nor any biblical command to expect or seek such leading.
     
  14. aiki

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    Sorry to be disagreeable, but this is by no means established as true. Essentially, you're making an unfounded assumption here.

    See my last post in which I refer to a psychic who has remarkable, supernatural knowledge that is clearly not from God.

    Amen!

    By what standard? Scripture. So, just cut out the middle man and hear God speak in His word. You can trust Scripture much more than some stranger who presumes to tell you a "word of prophecy."
    The ending here is important: "out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice..." No private, divine, mind-voice but "a great voice" speaking from fire, cloud and thick darkness. This is a much different (and more biblical) divine communication than the subjective, often hard-to-hear, inner voice Christians are urged these days to learn to hear and follow.

    What need, then, of a special "word from God"? If it is something already communicated in Scripture, we have only to look in the Bible to encounter it. And we can be sure of Scripture in a way we cannot be sure of those around us, Christian though they may be.

    Romans 8:14
    14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

    This verse says nothing at all about what the leading of the Spirit looks like. It is an assumption to think it means "a voice in my head."

    Psalms 37:23
    23 The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord, And He delights in his way.

    Here, too, there is no explanation of what the divine ordering of good man's steps look like. If I take the example, say, of Joseph, God ordered his steps by ordering his circumstances, not by leading him via a voice in his head. Same thing with King David. God shaped his circumstances and ordered his steps in so doing. No voice in his head, either.

    By His Spirit through His word. Not by a voice in our heads.

    Psalms 32:8
    8 I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will guide you with My eye.


    Psalms 119:105
    105 Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.

    Proverbs 16:9
    9 A man's heart plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps.


    2 Timothy 3:16-17
    16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
    17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


    Romans 2 says nothing about God's Spirit convicting the believer.

    John 16:13
    13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

    John 17:17
    17 ...Your word is truth.

    John 10:27
    27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

    This verse says nothing about hearing a voice in your head. It seems quite evident, given what else we read in Scripture, that God's voice is "heard" through reading and studying His written word to us.

    Paul didn't take the time to learn to hear God. He was knocked off his horse by God and spoken to quite audibly by God from a blinding light. Moses had a burning bush and an audible voice telling him to remove his shoes and be an emissary of God to Pharoah. He didn't "learn to hear God's voice." Abraham had a visit from angels who communicated God's will to him. No learning to hear God's voice. And, really, as I think on it, John 10 says nothing at all about a learning process in hearing God's voice. John says without qualification that the Good Shepherd's sheep will know his voice. John never even hints that they will have to learn to do this. John seems to think that hearing is a natural and inevitable consequence of being. And, again, John never says anything about the voice of the Good Shepherd being something his sheep hear privately in their minds.
     
  15. tturt

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    “It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.” John 6:45 One example "... that this word came unto Jeremiah from the Lord, saying," Jere 36:1-4 Today, "Who hath ears to hear, let him hear." Matt 13:9

    Our thought life can be affected by the enemy and definitely Yahweh.

    “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” II Cor 4:4 “And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;” John 13:2

    We’re told to take every thought captive. “Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;” II Cor 10:5

    Isaiah in a vision was made aware -
    "Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts." Isa 6:5

    Sometimes it's our choice whether we hear Him or not "Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice," Heb 3:7, 15; 4:7

    Here’s a contrast of voices - Yahweh convicts while the enemy condemns. “For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.” John 3;17 ““ And he, when he comes, will convict the world in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment:” John 16:8

    “But I am afraid, however, that just as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be led astray from the simplicity and purity that is in Christ.” II Cor 11:3

    -https://carm.org/dictionary-conviction
    -Strong's Greek: 191. ἀκούω (akouó) -- to hear, listen, definitions

    Posted: See my last post in which I refer to a psychic who has remarkable, supernatural knowledge that is clearly not from God.

    Seems there's amazement of a psychic whose “remarkable, supernatural knowledge“ from the devil but unbelief is expressed when a believer posted how information was given to them by Yahweh and then used to touch someone’s life.

    There's main differences between the psychic stuff and believers hearing Yahweh including The Source of the information and the purpose. Everything Yahweh does has a purpose so we need to hear His voice concerning everything. (I’ve been told - The end result for the psychic will be the enemy will demand more than what they want to give to get their info). However, the result for us who rely on Yahweh is vast and rewarding.

    Posted – cut out middle man

    In the OT, Yahweh used prophets more than non-prophets (II Pet 1:21). Regarding us, guess you’ll need to ask Yahweh why He wants to use us including for the manifestations of the gifts of The Spirit. He could do all these things – spread the gospel, charitable acts, etc. - without us.
     
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  16. aiki

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    The assumption that is being made here is that what is heard is always spoken. But God communicates to us through His written word all that we need to know to live "godly in Christ Jesus." In a sense, He has spoken to us - and is still speaking - in the pages of the Bible. Are we listening? The apostle James uses "hearing" to refer what has been read:

    James 1:23-25
    23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror;
    24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was.
    25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.


    The "perfect law of liberty" is that law of God communicated to us in Scripture. This is why James writes of he who looks into the law of liberty. Immediately, though, James speaks of the same man hearing the word and doing it. James, then, is using the term "hearer" to mean someone who has read the law of God written in the Scriptures. A "hearer" therefore is not always someone who has literally heard a voice audibly or in the mind.

    In the instance of the verse you cited from Jeremiah, he who is urged to hear is not being urged to listen to an inner voice, but to the actual spoken words of God's prophet, Jeremiah.

    I agree. And I mentioned the psychic in an earlier post in illustration of this fact.

    Of course. I agree completely with you here. But is the "hearing" that we do of a voice in our head? In the case of the Israelites referred to in Hebrews 3 and 4, they heard from God, not through an inner voice, but through Moses. The writer of Hebrews speaking of the Holy Spirit in Hebrews 3:7 is referring to Psalms 95:7-11 which the writer of Hebrews quotes in verses 7-11 of chapter 3. These are words written by King David under the inspiration of the Spirit. Hebrews 3:7, then, is not telling us to expect to hear from the Spirit ourselves directly as a voice in our head, but is confirming the divine inspiration of King David's words and warning us not to doubt God and become hard in our hearts toward Him.

    Sometimes this contrast you mention above is obvious. At other times, Satan comes as an "angel of light," not with condemnation, but with subtle deceptions that appeal to our pride, our self-centeredness, and our sensual nature. These deceptions don't seem in the least condemning, but rather self-affirming and very spiritual. Looking to see if one feels condemned, then, is not always (or even often) the way one can determine what is of God and what is of the devil.

    I'm not at all amazed at the occult knowledge of a psychic. I know exactly from where it is derived. My point in sharing the story about the psychic was to show that secret knowledge is not necessarily always from God. The devil can impart such knowledge, too, and so merely having secret knowledge is not a good basis upon which to judge whether or not God is acting in a particular situation. The fellow who posted about knowing (or sensing) a woman's abusive sexual past simply assumed his knowledge was from God. But why should he do so? As I said, Satan could have given him this information, too, in an attempt to get him to believe without question that every time he obtains such knowledge it must be from God. A masterful sort of deception, I think.

    But, you see, I don't think God is using you to manifest His Spirit in the ways you're saying He does. That's been my fundamental point all through my comments. If He is using you, more than "I just know" is necessary to proving that He is truly doing so. Satan is an incredible counterfeiter of godly things and so we need to know how to clearly and definitively distinguish between what is of God and what are sneaky counterfeits of the devil. "I just know" and assumptions aren't nearly a sufficient basis upon which to do so.

    I don't doubt you're completely sincere in your belief in the use and source of the gifts of the Spirit today. So far, though, you have not offered anything like a solid scriptural basis for believing God can - and frequently does - speak to you directly and privately in your mind. This ought to seriously concern you. It does me.

    God's blessings on you, sister.
     
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    Neither one of us is changing our minds so there's no need for me to continue. Appreciate the concern but it's not necessary. I understand what I'm saying and very thankful every time I hear Him. Yes, I know how to test and I'll continue to cherish His Word, His words, dreams, visions, prophetic words, etc. Blessings to you as well. sis in Christ, tturt
     
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    Now, answer the question. Was it God or Satan? The only answer I require is "it was God" or "It was Satan." Nothing more and nothing less.
     
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    Over the years as a contributor to forums on the internet and Christians I meet, I find that they fall into two distinct categories.

    One. The Christian that has been taught that the supernatural is not needed today and we can rely totally on the Bible.

    Two, the supernatural is as much part of the experience of Christians as they have ever been.

    The first tends to ignore the obvious that the supernatural is happening every day of our lives and they usually are Calvinists.

    The second accepts that the supernatural is alive and well and tend to be arminianist.

    The first put their faith in the Bible alone but have no proof that it is true other than the bible says so.

    The second put their faith in the Bible and experience which gives them proof beyond the bible says so.

    The first would be useless in a culture where people say "If your God can heal my son I will follow him."

    The second would be ideal for said culture because they would have no problem laying hands on the sick and seeing them recover.

    The first can only argue what the Bible says to the unbeliever.

    The second can argue what the Bible says and what experience proves.

    The first would reject Jesus call to be part of the Seventy to go out and do what he said to do.

    The second would accept the opportunity to go out with the seventy and do what he said to do.

    The first rejects truth by usually saying that you can't prove what you said is true (miracles) because we only have your word for it (doubting Thomas)

    The second accepts your word for it and says Praise God. They don't believe that every Christian who has experienced the miraculous is a liar.

    The first one accepts those parts of scripture that line up with their theology and that the scripture has to line up with their theology.

    The second accepts that all scripture is given by inspiration of God and that their experience has to line up with scripture.

    Which one are you?
     
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    definitely in group 2.
    -the supernatural is as much part of the experience of Christians because Yahweh is Spirit and we are spirit, soul, and body (II Thess 5).
    -the supernatural is alive and well
    -put their faith in Yahweh and His Word.
    -have no problem laying hands on the sick and seeing them recover.
    -what the Bible says and what experience proves (proved in Scripture and now).
    -would accept the opportunity to go out with the seventy and do what He said to do.
    -accepts your word for it (with discernment) and says Praise God! If their experience is unusual, don't call them a liar just usually put it on the back burner so to speak.
    -accepts that all scripture is given by inspiration of God and that their experience has to line up with scripture.

    In other words, the kingdom of heaven has been manifest, is being manifested, and will be manifest.
     
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