God Really Made the Universe In Six Days

[BNR32FAN]

Hebrews 11:1-3 tells us God created the universe or as KJV puts it, "the worlds".

The word “worlds” is translated from the Greek word aiṓn which is a reference to the time of this world not the actual creation of the world. The word aiṓn is associated with a period of time. The word world or universe would be kosmos like we see in John 3:16 for example. I think John 1:3 gives a good example because the universe exists therefore it must have been created and everything that was created was created thru Jesus and nothing was created except thru Him.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hebrews 11:1-3 tell us that God created the universe or according to the KJV "the worlds".

The word aiṓn is better translated as the word age. Matthew 12:32 is an example where some translations translate the word aiṓn as world but others as the word age. I forgot to mention that the word aiṓnios which is derived from the root word aiṓn which is referring to eternal or everlasting life.

 

[Yarddog]

correction -- there are no chapter dividers in Moses' text.

How is that important?

It is the same account being expanded on.

If that were true, why tell it differently? Why wouldn't each be created in the same order? Or, why would the writer add this in line in chapter 2, "4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens",? He had already just told the story of the creation but then tells it differently.

Taking every chapter in the Bible then deleting all the chapters before it as if that is what "context" and "exegesis" is all about -- never worked in any book of the Bible much less Genesis.

Not sure what point you're trying to make there.

 

[BobRyan]

We also have two creation stories in Genesis as chapter 2 .

correction -- there are no chapter dividers in Moses' text. It is the same account being expanded on. In Genesis 2, no sun, no air, no water, no moon because those details already covered.

Taking every chapter in the Bible then deleting all the chapters before it as if that is what "context" and "exegesis" is all about -- never worked in any book of the Bible much less Genesis.

How is that important?

Its important because you are extending the convention of chapters inserted at later dates as if they are wooden rules and this is needed to get to your "chapter 2" is not the same story as "chapter 1".

If that were true, why tell it differently?

Details in chapter 2 after vs 4 are in the form of expansion of the narrative. Adding "details" about marriage, about which one was created first, about naming the animals, about the forbidden tree, about the institution of marriage -- when in chapter 1 the only detail you get is that mankind is made on day 6 male and female.

Gen 2:4 is the summation of Gen 1:2-2:3.

Gen 2: 4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

Each day is called a "generation" in the sense that God generates something.

4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven.

An historic account.

 

[Yarddog]

Its important because you are extending the convention of chapters inserted at later dates as if they are wooden rules and this is needed to get to your "chapter 2" is not the same story as "chapter 1".

Incorrect. The chapter numbers have nothing to do with what I said. It is just a way to show where that text was at. That chapter 2 is a continuation of Ch. 1 is illustrated by the 7th day is revealed in the first 3 verses of Ch. 2. and not at the end of Ch. 1.

 

[d taylor]

I don’t see what this has to do with the universe being created. If the universe exists then it had a beginning. Something created it. John 1:3 says Jesus created everything and nothing that was created was created without Him.

If the universe exist, that is an idea that comes from science not the Bible.
People are reading universe into the creation account of the Bible, The creation account given in Genesis 1 does not mention God creating a universe. The Bible list heaven, earth, light, raqia, waters, sun, moon, stars, plants, animals, Adam, Eve from Adam,

Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished.

 

[gurglegurglebangbang]

Discuss.

Also, Satan invented dinosaurs.

If not, then who did? God?

God allowed Satan to invent dinosaurs. Satan had to askn him to do it.

IOne off.

Also, wgty are people scared of snakes? Dumb question. Forget I asked.

Just that one question.

Yes, he did.

 

[SinoBen]

I always appreciate the devotional aspect os Scripture reading but my point is actually semantical. The point being the fact the you couls see the universe on that creek bank is the whole point of day four. God set them in the heaves to be seen regularly, they were actually created before creation week even started.

Yes indeed, God clearing that permanently overcast atmosphere on Day 4 certainly made it possible for us to see what was already there.

 

[BobRyan]

If the universe exist, that is an idea that comes from science not the Bible.

Why do you say that? The Bible is older than modern astronomy.

 

[d taylor]

Genesis is about the creation of Earth and all life on earth.

But it does tell us at the start of God being the creator of the universe as well "in the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth"

Hebrews 1
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Heb 11
3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

God created sinless intelligent life "Worlds" all throughout the Universe .. but this planet alone fell into sin. This planet alone has the Gospel with God the Son incarnate as man - and our Savior.

It is a biiiiiiiggggg universe folks - and God is Creator of all of it. We are one tiny planet among many countless worlds created by God all throughout the universe - and we alone chose to live in rebellion.

Heaven is not another word for universe, as defined by science.

 

[BobRyan]

Incorrect. The chapter numbers have nothing to do with what I said. It is just a way to show where that text was at. That chapter 2 is a continuation of Ch. 1 is illustrated by the 7th day is revealed in the first 3 verses of Ch. 2. and not at the end of Ch. 1.

Indeed it is a continuation. One story that takes two chapters to tell. But the first part is a time-boxed chronological sequence... the second part is not.

 

[BobRyan]

Heaven is not another word for universe,

It is when you consider that the sun and moon are in the midst of it ... so then outer space.

 

[gideon123]

Genesis was NOT spoken in Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic. Forget what they told you in Theology School. They were wrong.

The civilizations in the time of Noah, and earlier, existed before all those cultures. They spoke languages that we do not know. Hebrew and Greek are only translations of translations. And those are only interpretations of early Hebrew. And that was only a recording of words passed down orally, in languages that no-one knows or understands today.

Hopefully you see the problem.

But I am not complaining. The great MIRACLE is that we have Genesis at all. The remarkable thing is that the wisdom survived!!

 

[BobRyan]

Hebrews 11:1-3 tells us God created the universe or as KJV puts it, "the worlds".

True.

 

[d taylor]

Why do you say that? The Bible is older than modern astronomy.

The Bible clearly states that the raqia is where the sun, moon and stars are located. Jesus Himself said that the stars are going to fall to earth one day. And that only makes sense if the stars are like what the Bible says they are lights in the raqia located above the earth. Not other suns billion of lights years away.

 

[BobRyan]

The Bible clearly states that the raqia is where the sun, moon and stars are located.

And of course Paul says he was caught up to the 3 rd heaven -- which is where the throne of God is. The 2nd heaven is where the Sun moon and stars are... and the 1st one is where the birds fly as Genesis 1 points out.

Jesus Himself said that the stars are going to fall to earth one day. And that only makes sense if the stars are like what the Bible says they are lights in the raqia located above the earth. Not other suns billion of lights years away.

We today have the concept of "shooting star" and "falling star" we describe it from the observer's frame of reference -- on Earth

 

[d taylor]

It is when you consider that the sun and moon are in the midst of it ... so then outer space.

The first heaven (sky) contains the sun, moon and stars also that is the same place the birds fly. That place is located above the earth and above the raqia (first heaven,sky) is a large area water.

If you want to call the first heaven universe feel free to do that but you will not find the Bible calling the first heaven a universe.

 

[d taylor]

And of course Paul says he was caught up to the 3 rd heaven -- which is where the throne of God is. The 2nd heaven is where the Sun moon and stars are... and the 1st one is where the birds fly as Genesis 1 points out.



We today have the concept of "shooting star" and "falling star" we describe it from the observer's frame of reference -- on Earth

That is simply not true the Bible does not separate where the sun, moon and stars are from where the birds fly. The Bible clearly states they are the same location.

If the Bible does separate the two show me the verses

 

[d taylor]

And of course Paul says he was caught up to the 3 rd heaven -- which is where the throne of God is. The 2nd heaven is where the Sun moon and stars are... and the 1st one is where the birds fly as Genesis 1 points out.



We today have the concept of "shooting star" and "falling star" we describe it from the observer's frame of reference -- on Earth

You have that concept, i do not. What ever the light moving across the raqia is i do not believe it is a star.

Stars have courses assigned for their movement and there is no mention of them having free movement.
They like the sun, moon they are a created time piece and navigational device.

There is one star though that did move to guide the wise men and that star also stood over where the Messiah was. The Messiahs star

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Discuss.

Also, Satan invented dinosaurs.

If not, then who did? God?

God allowed Satan to invent dinosaurs. Satan had to askn him to do it.

IOne off.

Also, wgty are people scared of snakes? Dumb question. Forget I asked.

Just that one question.

I'm one of the minority of Christians who believe that Earth is old. Not believing in Evolution per see but see but that the days of Genesis can be interpreted in other ways, namely as ages etc.

And God most definitely did create the Dinosaurs!