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JohnR7 said:
Strawman arguement guy, strawman arguement.

OK. Show me how it is a strawman argument. Are you saying that those confusions within Christianity are not confusions?

LOL! You are only doing this because I showed your strawman argument in the "if ... then" thread. You always do this John. Whenever I point out a flaw in your arguments, a couple of days later I find you accusing me of that flaw. It's sooooo predictable.

Besides, even if something is not of God, He is able to cause good to come out of it.

So even if evolution is not of God, then it can still be an accurate portrayal of how God created. Right?

I'm hoping God can cause some good to come out of all your attempts to destroy Christianity.
 
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JohnR7 said:
Yes, now, lets look at what brother Paul has to say about that:

1 Cor. 11:18-19
For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. [19] For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Do I really need to explain to you what Paul is telling us here. Or are you able to figure it out for yourself?

Sure. Pau is talking about those confusions that you say shows God is absent. Within a particular church in Corinth.

Paul is also saying creationism is a heresy. No problem. I've been saying that for months. So Paul beat me to it. Good for him.
 
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worship4ever said:
lucaspa: at what point in all my posts did you come to this conclusion that i believe that God is not a direct part of creation, because ive only posted otherwise, God being the SOLE source for creation. You say im quite happy to let Nature do everything and leave God out of it. Well, once again, where did you come to that conclusion.

I posted the relevant parts of your post that led me to that conclusion. If you don't think they said that, then either 1) show me how I misunderstood or 2) don't say things like that anymore.

If God wants He can work outside the mere natural means of science.

Sure He can. However, once again you are ignoring that "the mere natural means of science" is ALSO God working. That you used the word "mere" indicates that you don't think God is part of that, because I can't see you using the word "mere" to describe God.
 
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JohnR7 said:
What is your evidence to back up what you are saying?

Post #7 on this thread. The Einstein Gap thread. Nathan was kind enough to post this "And let's see how well you followed this rule in post #55 at http://www.christianforums.com/t46242&page=6"

Did you use to like to build snowmen when you were a child? Because you sure do like to build strawmen arguements now.

Nice ad hominem. I can always tell when I really catch you with your hands in the cookie jar. I have to face the "I know what I am, but what are you" tactics for quite a while. Thank you for aknowledging that I was correct that you built a strawman argument in the "if ... then" thread.

You seem to like to accuse people also. Do think that is of God?

I'm simply calling them as I see them. Creationists look on themselves as the "good guys" who only do good for Christianity. Well, for the good of Christianity it's way past time that you were told that you are the "bad guys" not the good guys.

I'm not claiming to be a "child of God" or to preach to other people how they have to believe.

We should not need to teach you these things. The Holy Spirit of God can be your teacher to lead you into all truth. I think that perhaps you want to know the truth.

John, How do you know I'm not taught by the Holy Spirit or following it? Your only criteria is that I accept evolution. That's pretty poor criteria. Or is your criteria that I won't follow YOU? Of course I won't follow YOU. I'm going to follow God, not someone who can't even quote the Bible in context for what it really means.

John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

And that would also be God's Creation, wouldn't it? That Creation that shows us that none of your 5 or more forms of creationism is actually how God created. What I hear God saying in Creation, I pass on to you. Too bad you don't have ears to listen.
 
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lucaspa said:
But the point is that the ideas you post are Christianity's worst enemy.

Maybe the world's church. The Bible is very clear, only half of those who call themselves Christians will be qualified. Did you ever hear the parable of the five foolish and the five wise virgins? All ten of them were virgins, but only five of them had oil in their lamp. That is symbolic of the Holy Spirit of God, the other five were left behind.

Matthew 25:11-12
Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us!' [12] But he answered and said, 'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.'

One of these days your going to have to decide if your going to join the Bridal company or not. If you do, then God will need to do a work in your life to prepare you for that day.
 
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lucaspa said:
Post #7 on this thread. The Einstein Gap thread. Nathan was kind enough to post this "And let's see how well you followed this rule in post #55 at http://www.christianforums.com/t46242&page=6"

As it turns out, it is no secret to Nathan that he is spiritualy dead and has none of the Holy Spirit of God in him. I do not see where there was any rule broken to tell someone that.

I'm simply calling them as I see them. Creationists look on themselves as the "good guys" who only do good for Christianity. Well, for the good of Christianity it's way past time that you were told that you are the "bad guys" not the good guys.

So you think I am the "bad guy". Is there any difference between your expressing that opinion and me telling Nathan that I believe that he is spiritually dead? Second question. If I am a "bad guy" then do you think that you are a "good guy"? Or are you a "bad guy" also?

John, How do you know I'm not taught by the Holy Spirit or following it? Your only criteria is that I accept evolution. That's pretty poor criteria. Or is your criteria that I won't follow YOU? Of course I won't follow YOU. I'm going to follow God, not someone who can't even quote the Bible in context for what it really means.

I am sure God is doing a work in your life to draw you to Himself. But let me answer your question this way:

I will skip talking about the OT and go straight to the book of Acts. Let us look at Stephen the very first Christian to be killed for his faith. Do you know perchance just who it was that killed Stephen? Remember it was not actually until 70 ad when the temple was tore down that most people believe that a seperation formed between christianity and the Hebrew faith. So if you look at the early church, it would appear your "bad guy" analogy would apply to them in terms of the established religion at the time.

Ok, back to your question. Stephen was a man FULL of Faith and the Holy Ghost. Also we are told that Stephen was FULL of Faith and Power. So the key word here is FULL. To be whole or compleat. Then you compare this with those who were FILLED with the Holy Spirit. It does not seem like much of a difference but it is. To be full means to continue to walk in the things of God at all times. To be filled means you do not always continue. The Spirit of God comes and goes. I think everyone at some point in their live is inspired by God, to some degree or another. I would not doubt that God shows you things, that He comes and goes in your life. But I do not think you always walk in the things of God. I do not think you keep your lamp full of oil at all times. You may pour some oil in there every now and then and light it up.

Then the Bible also talks about people that the Holy Spirit just comes upon them every now and then. This is more common in the OT, but we also see it with those who just have the Baptism of John the Baptist. So even when someone claims that they are walking with God or that the Spirit of God is working in their life, that does not mean they are always where they should be with God.

I was glancing at the newspaper today and there was a artical about a man who is on death row. He was talking about how he had to deal with the idea that he was going to die. I thought to myself, I bet he is working out his salvation with fear and trembling. God has him in a place where He can do a work in the mans life. For me I would rather not have to reach a point like that in my life where I am almost forced into allow God to do a work in me. I think we should seek Him before, when the days are still good.

Eccles. 12:6
Remember Him before the silver cord is broken and the golden bowl is crushed, the pitcher by the well is shattered and the wheel at the cistern is crushed;

This verse means a LOT to me, but I do not know if it means anything to anyone else. But it is one of my favorite verses. We need to seek after God before our time of trouble. We are still going to have problems to deal with, but we will be ready, because God will prepare us. That is a lot better than having to deal with things unprepared.

You prepared yourself by getting your degree. So also I believe God knows our future and He can do a work in us to prepare us for it.

Too bad you don't have ears to listen.

Oh, another compliment, thank you. I would hope that I do not have ears to hear the opinions of man. That my ears would be tuned into God to see what He has to say about it.

Anyways, one word of warning, be careful guy. I have seen people who really get saved and God does not seem to change their personality. They seem to fight as much for God as they use to fight against Him. Look at Paul how he use to persecute the church, then when he got saved he had just as much zeal to fight for the church.
 
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lucaspa said:
So Paul beat me to it. Good for him.

You remind me a lot about Paul, before he got saved and before he really came to know God. People have trouble to understand Paul, but he really was indisputably a great man of God. He was not much to look at in person, he did not make much of a impression. But his letters were powerful, and he really did live the Christian life as an example for others to follow.
 
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JohnR7 said:
As it turns out, it is no secret to Nathan that he is spiritualy dead and has none of the Holy Spirit of God in him. I do not see where there was any rule broken to tell someone that.

You choose not to see the harm in judging, condemning, and insulting other simply because you find it obvious.

(although, in all fairness, I can't honestly say I was all that insulted. Your reputation as a liar and false prophet makes any judgement you make utterly meaningless.)

JohnR7 said:
So you think I am the "bad guy". Is there any difference between your expressing that opinion and me telling Nathan that I believe that he is spiritually dead?

You did not express an opinion; I doubt that you are capable of that distinction. You pronounced me dead as though it were Gospel truth, which, in your mind, I'm sure it is.


JohnR7 said:
Second question. If I am a "bad guy" then do you think that you are a "good guy"? Or are you a "bad guy" also?

Well, he certainly never claimed to be a good guy. His actions do that for him. So, if nothing else, he's proven himself to not be a hypocrite. Can you make the same claim?

JohnR7 said:
I am sure God is doing a work in your life to draw you to Himself. But let me answer your question this way:

Speaking as an expert on the mind of God, you would know such things.

[Irrelevent Bible story snipped]

JohnR7 said:
I was glancing at the newspaper today and there was a artical about a man who is on death row. He was talking about how he had to deal with the idea that he was going to die. I thought to myself, I bet he is working out his salvation with fear and trembling. God has him in a place where He can do a work in the mans life. For me I would rather not have to reach a point like that in my life where I am almost forced into allow God to do a work in me. I think we should seek Him before, when the days are still good.

So tell me John, when will you start seeking him? I would think that if you were even trying to be Christ-like, you'd walk the walk a lot better than you currently are.

JohnR7 said:
This verse means a LOT to me, but I do not know if it means anything to anyone else. But it is one of my favorite verses. We need to seek after God before our time of trouble. We are still going to have problems to deal with, but we will be ready, because God will prepare us. That is a lot better than having to deal with things unprepared.

Funny, you seem pitifully unprepared to us.

JohnR7 said:
You prepared yourself by getting your degree. So also I believe God knows our future and He can do a work in us to prepare us for it.

And you've prepared yourself by....?

JohnR7 said:
Oh, another compliment, thank you. I would hope that I do not have ears to hear the opinions of man. That my ears would be tuned into God to see what He has to say about it.

Ears closed, eyes closed, mind closed.
God should be coming in loud and clear to you now.

JohnR7 said:
Anyways, one word of warning,

["Warning" from false prophet snipped.]

I know, I know, DNFTT.
 
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