"God" is not a reasonable response to any question requiring evidence

[SkyWriting]

Yes, the theists seem to believe what some long dead Bible interpretor claimed Genesis says...

All your quotes are from long dead interpreters. And the translators are likely "long dead" as well. My science lab partner died in 7th grade and is long-dead. It doesn't diminish what she wrote in the slightest.

 

[jay1]

I'll start with my guide for "Literal" translations of the Bible.
1. Read the sentence in the context of the sentence before it and the one after it.
2. Read the sentence in the context of the chapter before it and the one after it.
3. Read the sentence in the context of all the books before it and the books after it.

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If only the same criterion would be applied to science!

Had to remove the URL i don't have enough posts

 

[SkyWriting]

If only the same criterion would be applied to science!

Which data are you concerned about? I always accept supporting data for consideration. Not BurrrrrpOrigins.org, but other valid sources.

 

[AV1611VET]

So, snakes can talk?

Show me a talking snake in the Bible.

So, snakes can talk?

Disobediant children should be stoned?[/quote]
Depends on the context. For example, are we under martial law? Are we on the very brink of war?

Prostitutes should be burned to death?

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew 5:28

The punishment for adultery is death. Do you believe you should be put to death for looking at a pretty woman?[/quote]
Now you sound like some people Jesus had an encounter with:

John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
John 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
John 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

 

[Loudmouth]

Jesu said, "And this gospel shall be preacvhed over all the world."

That poofing has come to pass.

How was poofing involved? I thought the gospel was spread through the very natural and non-supernatural method of humans talking to humans. You know, the same way that every other modern religion is spread.

 

[SkyWriting]

1. So, snakes can talk?
2. Disobedient children should be stoned?
3. Prostitutes should be burned to death?
4. But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew 5:28
The punishment for adultery is death. Do you believe you should be put to death for looking at a pretty woman?

1. The story reads that one serpent did. It doesn't claim that all snakes do.
2. If your son is "a glutton and a drunkard" he should be brought before the authorities. See # 3.
My step-son went A-Wall and (with his consent) we called the authorities and they took him away in handcuffs and he went to the poky.
But getting his consent was not a given.
3. Always use current & legal sentencing guidelines if you become a judge. (Anyone can become a judge)
4. Sin is Sin. We are all guilty as charged. See #3 though.

 

[sandwiches]

When one encounters a claim that truth isn't reasonable, one can be confident someone's employing 'reason' as an euphemism for atheism.

While I don't agree with this claim, I have tried avoiding the word "reasonable" because I understand what's reasonable depends on your premises. It is "reasonable" that if I believe in leprechauns that there would be pots of gold at the end of rainbows, for instance.

I try to stick with words that are more meaningful in different contexts such as "demonstrable," "verifiable," or "observable," or even "parsimonious." Though, I use the last one sparingly. So, while you and I can argue all day long about whether it is reasonable that an infinitely powerful, wise, and merciful being would kill all living beings save for those on a boat to "cleanse" the world, there's not much room for argument when we ask if this claim is demonstrable, observable, or verifiable.

 

[SkyWriting]

How was poofing involved? I thought the gospel was spread through the very natural and non-supernatural method of humans talking to humans. You know, the same way that every other modern religion is spread.

That's because you don't believe that it's source is God Himself.
Many Christians do.

 

[sandwiches]

1. The story reads that one serpent did. It doesn't claim that all snakes do.
2. If your son is "a glutton and a drunkard" he should be brought before the authorities. See # 3.
My step-son went A-Wall and (with his consent) we called the authorities and they took him away in handcuffs and he went to the poky.
But getting his consent was not a given.
3. Always use current & legal sentencing guidelines if you become a judge. (Anyone can become a judge)
4. Sin is Sin. We are all guilty as charged. See #3 though.

It's spelled "AWOL," not "A-wall."

 

[sandwiches]

That's because you don't believe that it's source is God Himself.
Many Christians do.

Yet, unsurprisingly, Christianity has NEVER been discovered on an isolated tribe in the middle of nowhere with no contact with other Christians. The spread of Christianity has always followed the spread of Christians. Hmmm...

 

[SkyWriting]

...there's not much room for argument when we ask if this claim is demonstrable, observable, or verifiable.

I would argue that most historical weather events are difficult or impossible to demonstrate, observe, or verify.
It may not have ever rained before the flood. Ever.
But I have no way to verify such an idea. Weather is just that way.
If I asked you to verify the Japanese Tsunami you'd have to search in the right places.
I can't say how many decades your evidence is going to last though.

 

[jay1]

Originally Posted by jay1
So, snakes can talk?
"Show me a talking snake in the Bible." AV1611VET

"Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" Genesis 3

"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:" Genesis 3


Sounds like a talking snake to me!

[/quote]Disobediant children should be stoned?[/quote]
Depends on the context. For example, are we under martial law? Are we on the very brink of war?

Depends on the context? Martial law, brink of war = times when it is alright to stone children to death?

John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
John 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
John 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

You didn't answer my question but you are in good company

This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.john 8:6

Even jesus couldn't answer that one

 

[sandwiches]

I would argue that most historical weather events are difficult or impossible to demonstrate, observe, or verify. It may not have ever rained before the flood. Ever.
But I have no way to verify such an idea. Weather is just that way.

Some are difficult to demonstrate or even impossible indeed. Maybe even most, as you claim; however, not all. There are many methods for detecting past weather patterns grossly and some finely.

 

[SkyWriting]

It's spelled "AWOL," not "A-wall."

I should have looked that up first. Dumb.

 

[SkyWriting]

Some are difficult to demonstrate or even impossible indeed. Maybe even most, as you claim; however, not all. There are many methods for detecting past weather patterns grossly and some finely.

See? There IS argument to be had then.

 

[sandwiches]

See? There IS argument to be had then.

So, you're saying there is observable, verifiable, and demonstrable physical evidence that a world-wide flood occurred? Is that it?

Of course, let's not get AV involved here as he thinks God "cleaned up" all the evidence or sent it to Jupiter or something.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yet, unsurprisingly, Christianity has NEVER been discovered on an isolated tribe in the middle of nowhere with no contact with other Christians. The spread of Christianity has always followed the spread of Christians. Hmmm...

I doubt you have any way to know that.
If your suggesting that Christianity has no spiritual common ground with isolated tribes, I'll be glad to blast that idea for you.
God paved the way for the Church to spread it's goal of fellowship:
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

 

[jay1]

1. The story reads that one serpent did. It doesn't claim that all snakes do.

So you at least believe in 1 talking snake?

2. If your son is bible.cc/deuteronomy/21-20.htm"]a glutton and a drunkard he should be brought before the authorities. See # 3.

"and stoned by the men of the village"

"nearly 17.6 million adults in the United States are alcoholics or have alcohol problems" nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/alcoholism.html]Alcoholism: MedlinePlus

" 17% (or 12.5 million) of children and adolescents aged 2—19 years are obese" cdc.gov/obesity/data/trends.html#National]Obesity and Overweight for Professionals: Data and Statistics: U.S. Obesity Trends | DNPAO | CDC

How many million would you stone to death?

My step-son went A-Wall and (with his consent) we called the authorities and they took him away in handcuffs and he went to the poky.

Had the possible sentence been death, would you have done the same?

But getting his consent was not a given.
3. Always use current & legal sentencing guidelines if you become a judge. (Anyone can become a judge)

Where is this from?

4. Sin is Sin. We are all guilty as charged. See #3 though.

So do we stone each other to death? what's the protocol here?

 

[sandwiches]

God paved the way for the Church to spread it's goal of fellowship:
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Yet, unsurprisingly, Christians have only traveled through normal, non-magical means (developed by Christians and not,) on roads paved by humans (Christians and not,) through nonmagic.

 

[sandwiches]

So do we stone each other to death? what's the protocol here?

ROFL