"God" is not a reasonable response to any question requiring evidence

[SkyWriting]

But he did show what they were by not attending church, by never kneeling and by not taking communion.

Yikes! I mustn't be a believer then. I must be a poe.

 

[Huram Abi]

My criteria for what makes one a Christian is steady: a profession that Jesus Christ is God.

 

[Huram Abi]

How many of the Apostles were Christians?

I've got 3 answers, here. Choose whichever suits your ideology best. Caution, though; some are more well-reasoned than others.


1) all of them, that they, literally, followed Jesus, who proclaimed to be "I am," IS a profession of their faith in him as God.

2) Inconclusive. We don't know specifically who they thought he was and they often asked him, only to get an even more confusing answer. It isn't clear to us if it was even clear to them who they truly thought him to be.

3) None. There were no "Christians" until Antioch.

 

[CTD]

How many of the Apostles were Christians?

I've got 3 answers, here. Choose whichever suits your ideology best. Caution, though; some are more well-reasoned than others.


1) all of them, that they, literally, followed Jesus, who proclaimed to be "I am," IS a profession of their faith in him as God.

2) Inconclusive. We don't know specifically who they thought he was and they often asked him, only to get an even more confusing answer. It isn't clear to us if it was even clear to them who they truly thought him to be.

3) None. There were no "Christians" until Antioch.

It is not a matter of ideology. The context is no mystery. It is a matter of your definition, and your claim of consistency. I was not asking who I would or should consider a Christian.

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[Huram Abi]

How's that search for a complete chain of custody for evidence of GW being a Christian coming along?

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[becon]

Let's say George Washington was a Christian what difference does it make? is Christianity or creationism nothing more than follow the leader for you? how many people believing creationism would make creationism true? you shouldn't need anyone to tell you the answer to that but if you do you have more problems than you can ever imagine.

 

[Jazer]

3) None. There were no "Christians" until Antioch.

The Church began on the day of Pentacost 50 days after the crucification (resurrection) of Jesus. Shavuot commemorates the anniversary of the day God gave the Torah to the entire Israelite nation assembled at Mount Sinai. Passover to Pentacost is 50 days. The 2000 year anniversity of the church will be 50 days after April 13 2029. AS marked by NASA. Also marked by the Nanodiamond comet that we find 12,900 years ago in the Greenland Ice core samples.

Then 7 years later: Luke 21:25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring

 

[becon]

The Church began on the day of Pentacost 50 days after the crucification (resurrection) of Jesus.

On what date was Jesus crucified? how about the month? the year or the decade, the century?

 

[Phred]

Assertions

George Washington would do whatever he would do. He didn't need scoffer permission to pray in the woods, in the name of our Lord Jesus.

Neither do I, thanks, in part, to him.

Believe what you will. I neither require knowledge of such things nor really care that you do. I find the evidence on the topic quite clear and satisfying for my answers. Washington was a Deist. He attended Christian churches as mandated by the times. He neither took communion nor kneeled in supplication to the Christian god.

Does it matter? Not one bit. What the man thought in his personal moments influences me not in the slightest. If you are a follower that requires those you hold in esteem to believe as you do... well, that says all that needs to be said.

The painting is... false. Don't care how much you protest, it's spin.

And what this has to do with the topic of the thread well... I'm confused.

 

[CTD]

Believe what you will.

It'll take more than hate site c & p to alter the truth.

I neither require knowledge of such things nor really care that you do.

Your lack of concern is far from self-evident.

I find the evidence on the topic quite clear and satisfying for my answers. Washington was a Deist. He attended Christian churches as mandated by the times. He neither took communion nor kneeled in supplication to the Christian god.

Does it matter? Not one bit. What the man thought in his personal moments influences me not in the slightest.

I remain unconvinced, but don't let it bother you.

If you are a follower that requires those you hold in esteem to believe as you do... well, that says all that needs to be said.

The painting is... false. Don't care how much you protest, it's spin.

And what this has to do with the topic of the thread well... I'm confused.

Well scofferdom was faring poorly, and someone mentioned Washington's desire for America to be a Christian country, or some such. The opportunity was seized to challenge common knowledge and derail the thread.

Let's say George Washington was a Christian what difference does it make? is Christianity or creationism nothing more than follow the leader for you? how many people believing creationism would make creationism true? you shouldn't need anyone to tell you the answer to that but if you do you have more problems than you can ever imagine.

Scoffers paint those who founded America as "deists" because folks don't know what "deism" means. Today it's associated with see-nothing, do-nothing concepts of god, virtual pantheism, quite compatible with atheism and difficult to distinguish therefrom. Indeed, considering the primary goal of atheism, one serves equally as well as the other. There is no effective god = there is no God.

Even if an honest man were so deluded as to imagine Washington a liar, "deist" of some sort, they'd still admit he saw merit in Christianity and encouraged it. He was clearly opposed any sort of "atheist paradise" garbage.

"It may, nevertheless, perish in an hour by the folly, and corruption or negligence of its only keepers, the people. Republics are created by the virtue, public spirit and intelligence of the citizens. They fall when the wise are banished from the public councils, because they dare to be honest and the profligates are rewarded because they flatter the people in order to betray them." - G.W.

"The power under the Constitution will always be in the people. It is entrusted for certain defined purposes, and for a certain limited period, to representatives of their own choosing; and whenever it is executed contrary to their interest, or not agreeable to their wishes, their servants can, and undoubtedly will, be recalled."- G.W. To Bushrod Washington.

"A few short weeks will determine the political fate of America for the present generation, and probably produce no small influence on the happiness of society through a long succession of ages to come.. It [the ratification of the constitution] will demonstrate as visibly the finger of Providence as any possible event in the course of human affairs." - G. Washington

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens.... Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." - G. Washington, 1796

The actual topic? Well I made a tie-in of sorts, and presented a patriotism-themed defeater. Twice it was ignored. I'd say the discussion of the original topic is dead.

While we're in the neighborhood, how about a quick, easy defeater for the title claim of the thread?

Before Whose alter did Thomas Jefferson claim to have sworn eternal enmity against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man?

 

[Huram Abi]

Thomas Jefferson went out of his way to have all the miracles in the NT removed. He thought Jesus was an honorable man with great insight into fraternity and brotherly love, but not a god.

He was a Christian as HE defined it. His heresy doesn't suit your agenda.

Here is a lesson you need to learn:

Worship of God does not equal endorsement of Christian belief.

Deism does not equal deceit.


And no one has suggested that Deism meant atheism except for you.

I have clearly stated that I think GW to be a deeply religious man who paid reverence to his god. <edit>

 

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