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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by GirdYourLoins, Jan 4, 2018.

  1. Sheep dog

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    That isn't all the commandment talks about. It also talks about requiring others to work. If you heat water with electricity or gas you require others to works by doing business on account. Nehemiah promised to put the heathen selling goods outside of the gate to death for it. It must have been against the law. You can't drive (ride) your beast of burden (vehicle) either. The cause doesn't matter. You can't take advantage of the police requiring them to work. The short course is you require others to work (sin) on the sabbath while condemning others for working. Where does the Scripture permit on to take advantage of another's sin?
    We can eat, but we can't cook. Remember the manna being double on Friday and ordered to be cooked the same day?
    No it's a sign between God and the COI. Using the words "His children" by passes this.
     
  2. Sheep dog

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    And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

    Pay attention to what the verse says. It's addressing Israel, who are God's people. It talking about about people currently not God's people becoming God's people. Those people can't be Israeli.
     
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    So bugkiller came from nowhere and entered the conversation. How does that obligate him to repeat any of it?
     
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  4. Sheep dog

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    What are you saying here? I think you're bringing up issues about the trinity to imply Jesus is also God the Father. Jn 15:10 won't allow this view. No Jesus doesn't contradict the law. Jesus actually changes the law with His "but I say" statements. This would line up with LK 16:16 establishing the foundation of the new covenant.
    So why are you addressing me and not the discussion? You just called me a liar.

    You have a reasonable answer above with my statement about "but I say." There are Bible instructions on the issue of remarriage.
    Refusing to discuss religious sects isn't a cop out. Doing so would serve no good purpose and derail the thread into a worthless rabbit trail.
    Sure did and why is that funny?
    Where in the Bible is the Christian obligated to the law? Jn 13:34 has been presented. It has been ask how one can be in violation of the law while being in compliance with said verse. No explanation has been given.
    My focus is the entire law. Generally what is discussed here are the ten commandments. You even essentially referred to them by murder and adultery instead of not cutting your sideburns.
    Disagree
    No pretense on my part.
    You'rre so entitled.
     
  5. Devin P

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    Because, if I randomly come into a conversation, and say (this is in response to something you said by the way)

    "No, I don't have two groups mixed together, you're completely wrong and you're tickling your ears. You're ridiculous."

    Not only is it going to be hard for you to figure out what on God's green earth I'm talking about, but I've insulted you as well. So it's not only not going to help anyone's case, it's not going to help the person see my point of view because I'm being rude pointlessly, BUT it's also incredibly hard to defend yourself, because you may or may not know what I'm referring to.

    CAN you know what I'm referring to? I mean absolutely, there's a chance, but why make someone HAVE to figure out and decipher what you're talking about? Just add context and let the person know.

    My issue, is what bugkiller talked about, wasn't even referenced to the quote he gave me. The quote, had nothing to do with the question, or if it did, the question wasn't direct enough to make known what he was even referring to in the quote he made.

    He just dropped in, without context, about something that happened long ago with an entirely different person, and expected me to know what he was talking about without context, proper description, and while insulting me. Nothing about that shows fruit, nothing about that makes it easy to work with, it's just rude, time consuming, confusing, and pointless. And now, you guys are not even going into context about what you were talking about, but are joining with one another to pick a fight that makes no sense. The original statements made no sense, let alone you guys fighting over not having to make your verbal attacks clear. None of you went into context about what you were talking about even though we asked. You've just sat back not bringing up your question, just throwing subtle insults like children.
     
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    It is addressing Israel, correct. But, literally in a chapter before this verse, God said to Israel that they are not His people. He's saying that though I divorced you, I will make you married to me again.

    The entire book of Hosea, is only talking about and to Israel. That is who the prophet Hosea was sent to, Israel.
     
  7. Kenny'sID

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    It's really the intent. Now why don't you answer what the post was actually about , or do you have no defense? What exactly was odd about that post?
     
  8. Kenny'sID

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    Why are you asking me that? Show me what in the post you replied you brought that question up...your reply makes no sense? Or was that just a place holder because you choose not to address what was said?
     
  9. Kenny'sID

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    I'm not even talking to you there. The poster knows what I'm talking about, ask them. I'm not going to look up old posts to prove something to you, when if you choose to make that your concern, you can do it yourself, or again, ask the one I directed it too. To do so would be a waste of my time.
     
  10. Devin P

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    Where in the scripture is this? This is what the jews got in trouble for, making all of these extra commands. It just says that you aren't to make others work, and you aren't to work. My heat and such at home doesn't require anyone to work at all, unless they shut it off or shut it back on. Do you think there's someone at the heat company that is personally wiring me electricity for every time I turn on a switch? No. They just make sure the circuits run properly. Regardless of if I have any light running, they'd still be doing that same work with or without any of my input, so what you're saying isn't really true.

    That, and a vehicle, isn't an animal. It's a machine, it's not a beast. I've seen people take it like this, but it's unnecessary. What are we supposed to do, sit in the dark without heat or power? No. That would make the sabbath a dread, and it's supposed to be a delight.

    When God sent Israel into dispersion across the 4 corners of the earth, and prophesied that in the end times, they'd again repent and practice Torah, that means there would be Israelites everywhere. Even in freezing climates. Are they then supposed to freeze to death on the sabbath? No, because otherwise, how could they enjoy the sabbath? It's made for us, and not us for it. All we're required to do, is to rest, and to not work.
    Who said that I condemn anyone for not keeping sabbath? You literally just put that into my mouth. I believe that God wills that all should come to repentance and be saved. I was once someone who didn't keep sabbath. We have to - just as God does - meet them where they're at. I understand not all see the importance in keeping sabbath, it doesn't mean they're not saved because of it. I believe they will come in time to see the value of it, but they aren't there yet. I never said that they are condemned for it, it's by the grace of God that I am how I am. He blessed me to desire His will as much as I do, who am I to condemn others for where they're at, especially considering again, I was once there too.

    Look, I understand you might not agree, but you can't just put words into people's mouth man, that's not how things work.

    As far as using cops, I'd generally not be put in a situations where that'd be needed, but if it were needed, as of a matter of saving a life, is it not lawful to do good on the Sabbath? Jesus Himself said that. If it came to be that a member of my fellowship group was dying, I'd drive them to a hospital where they would get medical attention. Why? Because, if it means saving their life, it's not breaking the sabbath.

    That's why we always try to get our cooking done before the sabbath, so we can enjoy it during. I'll normally stock up on food and cooked foods, breads and such so we can just chill. There's disputes between what day the sabbath starts. Friday at sun down, or saturday at sun up. I'm torn between the two, so I just consider it friday at sun down because of the many verses that insinuate this. Although I've seen many that seem to be in favor of sun up on saturday to sun up on sunday, so I just try to keep it for that whole time.

    Some people are as strict as not driving, but that'd be adding another commandment that isn't there. The jews made man-made laws just like you are saying I should about washing their hands before they eat, but it's found nowhere in Torah. It makes sense, absolutely, but it's not in Torah, and Jesus rebuked them for it.

    All that's commanded, is that you aren't to work, and you aren't to force anyone else to work. Regarding heat and electricity, regardless of if I heat or use electricity, they will still be doing exactly the same work regardless of if I switch on anything. The only time they do any work to my house specifically, is if they are shutting my utility off because I didn't pay, or turning it back on because I did. Other than that, they don't even know I exist, unless I use like 3x as much of the utility as normal in which an algorithm trips their monitoring system as if to say something is off about my usage of their service.

    It is a sign between the children of Israel, absolutely. But His children, are the children of Israel.

    Explain this verse

    Matthew 15:24 - 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
     
  11. Devin P

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    Yeah, I'm done. Respond if you want, but I'm done with your attitude. Your profile says 61, but you act like you're 16. You're just pointlessly rude, and aren't at all able to listen. We're to always be ready for reproof and correction. Jesus Himself could come to you and you'd call Him legalistic.
     
  12. Kenny'sID

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    We aren't talking speed limits or petty things like you are now trying to make this out to be. You're now pretending to confuse the issue, and defining it as something that no one here is doing. No one is here is getting petty like that they are talking law, like in the big ten.

    Exactly the reason I wanted you to give me example of the "lot of religious" stuff you you claimed you saw here, and now pretend the comment meant different faiths because you refuse to answer something you cannot, and I see below you are still being dishonest about that.

    I'm not expecting my keeping the ten to get me into heaven, I'm expecting it to not get my salvation lost due to lack of obedience after faith in Christ gets me in.

    See the two terms, good and evil in this very clear scripture, and what happens if we are not obediant.

    John 5:28-29 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

    Again, you know perfectly well, your comment had nothing to do with institutions. If you are going to flat out lie like you are, what you can evidently do without having to worry, because of your view that obedience or adhering to the commandments, are not a necessity, then so be it, but I assure you, most can see just exactly what you are doing there, instead of answering the question you choose to avoid. The dodging, with made up grounds to do so, speaks volumes about your ability to back up your accusations of posters who actually believe obedience is a necessity, and your claim they're being petty/religious like the pharisees.

    These people here, that you claim are religious as your defense to the "do what ever we want and still go to heaven" doctrine, are trying to wake people up before it's too late. However, it's hard to compete with "have our cake and eat it too", but those who want that badly enough over Gods actual word, will get just what they bargained for...their choice.
     
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  13. Kenny'sID

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    No, has nothing to do with the trinity, only the verse I mentioned, and I was very clear about what I said...don't try to change the subject.

    So, you claim something, and I show you what you claimed is not true, you then accuse me of calling you a liar? When in reality, it was you who made the false claim. Don't put words in my mouth...why? Because I don't have to say it at all, it's right there for everyone to see.

    Jesus taught the law and you claimed he did not...that simple in-spite of your trying to confuse the issue.

    Still pretending I see. :)

    Look at the question again, you misread it, as your answer has nothing to do with the question I asked.



    The commandments is what is discussed because we don't need to add in the entire law as means to complicate things. And we needn't complicate things because were aren't pushing nonsense.

    Where are we obligated to the full law? Nowhere, why is that even a question. I know I won't get an answer but who here said we were obligated to the anything other than the commandments and a clarification of the commandments with Jesus commandments and the lists of sins I mentioned already? Again, show me where anyone says we are obligated to the full law? If you cannot, you made it up, and you made it up because that's the only way to defend the undefendable.

    Hey if you think your sideburns are an issue then by all means have at it. What your doing here is a common trick trying to do away with the 10 by making it so complicated to keep all of them when in reality, the 10 are our concern. Jesus told the rich man to keep the commandments when he asked what he must do to get to heaven. There are ten of those, and they are very clear. Then there are the additions throughout the new testament where it is mentioned living in the sins on those lists will keep one out of heaven. Ignore them if you like...I won't.

    Still at it...

    I see, now we try to shift some blame to me with ridiculous accusation in order to cover up what all can see. Common, but it doesn't work...just makes things worse for ya'.
     
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    I want to know also. I never heard the Bible permits sin.
     
  15. Devin P

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    None do, but people twist them to mean exactly that.
     
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