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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by GirdYourLoins, Jan 4, 2018.

  1. Sheep dog

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    Jesus didn't give or teach the law. Jn 1:17, 15;10
     
  2. Sheep dog

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    Where did bugkiller cop out? Is asking and expecting you to make use of the provisions of the forum format asking to much? Maybe you should have only one conversation going on at a time. Asking because you can't remember or don't know how to work the forum is absurd.
     
  3. Sheep dog

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    The argument (post) is and was already a matter of record.
     
  4. Sheep dog

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    Legalistic is defined as: adhering excessively to law or formula.

    You really want me to believe you have no idea what law is being talked about. Get real.
    No discussing religious sects is fruitless. My relationship isn't with some religious sect. My relationship is with God and His awesome Son, Jesus.
     
  5. Devin P

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    You see examples of people keeping it all throughout the bible. The only thing that we HAVE to do is refrain from work. If you want to do literally anything else, you can. Go for a hike? Cool. Read the bible? Cool. Eat? Cool. Watch some movies? Cool. There's no expectation aside from refraining from workand resting. So I'm not sure what you mean.

    Man-made tradition has the Jews that Jesus talked about as having all of these restrictions, but it's not that hard. That was their tradition. Not God's intention. It's made for us, not us for it. We can rest, eat, socialize, read, play do whatever, but not work. Can't really mess that up once you feel convicted to do it.

    God says it's the sign between Him and His children forever. Not a sign between Him and His children until Jesus's death on the cross, after which it ends, except all of the times we see the apostles keeping the Sabbath and teaching the gentiles on the Sabbath as well. That doesn't make any sense. It's not burdensome to keep Sabbath. As I said, it's blessed me abundantly so far. I will never go back because I see the beauty and value in it.
     
  6. Devin P

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    As I said, nowhere in scripture are any people apart from Israel called His children, sheep, wheat, chosen, elect, etc. Only Israel. Then forward to new Jerusalem (the city those saved will live in) there's only 12 gates. One gate for each tribe of Israel. There's no gate for the church. The church comes from ekklesia, which just means assembly or gathering. Israel and the church are the same thing.

    Link and provide the verses you're referring to if you can please.
     
  7. Devin P

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    Yeah this wasn't talking about you at all. I was talking about bug killer. He just came from nowhere and was criticizing me and the other poster without giving any explanation about what he was referring to. And considering neither of us was talking to him it added to the confusion.
     
  8. Kenny'sID

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    Jesus said if you've seen father, you've seen the son, and the father gave the law so that would put them in agreement the law is important and expected to be followed, just as God expects. That is unless you're saying the Father, God, and Jesus are in disagreement on keeping the law?

    And now to whether your comment is even truthful, which it is not. I'll just give you one example right now, and if you want more just ask. Jesus DID teach the law when he went into detail about divorce and how we are guilty of adultery if we remarry. He not only taught the law, he defined it better than before to make the law even tougher. He "gave and taught law". More for the asking.

    What are you even talking about??

    I'll take a stab at answering just the same...I was very clear there, he copped out when he refused to answer and gave excuse instead. It was right there, you had to read it in order to make the comment you just made, and how you could miss that is beyond me. Maybe it's you should stick with just one conversation or take a break altogether if you could not easily see something that simple and straightforward. But since you seem to be doing the same in not answering when it's not convenient, makes perfect sense you would defend him.

    Then why are you asking me where he copped out? lol

    Where in the bible does it say we can go overboard, or do too much not murdering, not commuting adultery, not lying and so forth? When is not doing those thing, going too far? Or to put it more simply, why would keeping that law excessively be a problem to God when his hope is we not sin at all? Remember now, I asked for scripture...please don't skip the question. :)

    We have to have the answer were to that very fair question before we move on...the law as in all Moses law or just the 10 commandments, or what ever you have in mind? Is there a reason you refuse to answer that too, and make what I've seen asked here more than once, seem like a ridiculous question?

    What you just did there was very dishonest. You are taking your comment:

    And trying to now pretend you were talking about different sects, and all in order to have an excuse npot to answer my question of what posts exactly did you see that promoted religion

    For the record...another cop out. I'll determine if my questions are fruitless or not. Let me explain how this works. What if I determined your questions were all fruitless and refused to answer them...it wouldn't be much of a debate then, now would it? See? :)[/QUOTE]
     
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  9. Devin P

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    What do you mean? A servant does do things you don't want done yes, but on the sabbath all is to rest. Beasts of burdens (oxen plowing the field, are to rest and eat). Your servants, who normally would do your will, are to rest and relax. Spend time with their families if they have one, or with you if they prefer and you allow it.

    Well because, the "new" covenant isn't really new, it's renewed. It's got a few things that are in fact different about it, as Paul talks about, but a lot of it still remains the same.

    It's renewed in the fact that, Israel was cast out of covenant with God.

    When God cast them out, God put them away.

    What do I mean by God put them away? Well, God was the Husband to Israel. Israel was His bride. In God's law, when a husband puts his bride away, the wife cannot remarry. She is cursed to wander, unmarried for the rest of her days.

    This is the curse Jesus freed Israel from, the curse of adultery, and being forever out of covenant with God.

    Why did Jesus have to die?

    For our sins, yes, but mainly, because Jesus is God, and again, according to the law, the only way a wife that is put away and cursed for her adulteries can be freed from this curse of being put away is if her husband died. Jesus is God, the Husband of Israel. He died, so that Israel could be forgiven, and then He raised Himself from the dead so that Israel would have someone to marry themselves to again. He is our Husband, and we are His bride. The bride, is Israel. This was how Israel was to be reunited.

    This is how it was renewed, BUT what's different about it you might ask? Well, before, the sons of Aaron, of the tribe of Levi were the priests. Now, Jesus is the only Priest that we need. He lives eternally, and is free of sin. So now, our Priest no longer has to offer sacrifices for His sins, because He's sinless. He is right now in the tabernacle before God, atoning for our sins as we speak. This is why He said He will not drink of the vine (wine) until after He returns. Why? Because, according to God's law again, a Priest, cannot drink alcohol while in the tabernacle before God, or they will be put to death instantly by God's presence.

    So the things that are different about this covenant, is the priesthood. It went from being in the corruptible hands of man, to the incorruptible hands of Jesus. This is why I'm against catholicism, because we have literally, NO need for a priest that is a man. This is legitimately one of the main things He died for, to make it so we could return to God as long as He remained in that office. We will be priests once we are given incorruptible bodies after He returns. Then, He will be our King. This is what it means by He is our Priest after the order of Melchisidek, because Melchisidek was not only a King, he was priest as well.

    The idea of a King being Priest, is unheard of in God's law in the first covenant. Because Kings could only come from the tribe of Judah (which Jesus was from) while Priests could only direct descendants of Aaron the first High Priest, which Jesus wasn't. This is why the covenant needed a change, because Jesus became our Priest, but not after the order of the law that Moses was given, after the order of Melchisidek. The rest of the law stands, but as far as sacrifices, only the priests could do that, of which Jesus is, and has already done.
     
  10. Devin P

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    In my case, the little back button didn't help. Again, I was talking to bugkiller. Even with the back button, it still didn't give enough context to know what he was talking about though, because he came out of nowhere and the question he asked didn't mesh with the context of the back button.
     
  11. Kenny'sID

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    I need to pull this one out and answer it separately from the others. What you just did there was very dishonest. You are taking the original comment I questing you on....

    ...and now trying to pretend you were talking about different sects, and all in order to have an excuse to continue to avoid answering my question of what posts exactly did you see that promoted religion? Then on top of that dishonest thing, you throw this at us "My relationship is with God and His awesome Son, Jesus." Was attaching that supposed to make what you said seem true when it was not? Do you even realize how bad that looks?

    When people have to do such things in order to win an argument, they probably haven't much of an argument to begin with.

    You really are going to have to stop such tactics and answer the questions in order for us to have any kind of profitable/doable debate... you make an accusation, you back it so I can have opportunity to refute, and vice versa.
     
  12. He Calls Me Friend

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    I didn't say that what your dad did to you wouldn't still "affect" you ... I'm saying it isn't a "curse" from God. I know people who were terribly abused by their parents, and yes, it does affect them no matter how long ago it happened. I believe the devil wants you to continue thinking God cursed you. He doesn't want you to know ... and for sure not believe ... that God is the source of healing!
     
  13. Kenny'sID

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    Asking someone who makes an accusation with no backing/explanation why to elaborate is odd?

    You are seeing what you want to see, and in this care reason to demean when there is simply nothing there.
     
  14. Serving Zion

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    I remembered you while I was looking at articles about Candida. As I remember the events leading up to that discovery, I actually had taken a course of antibiotics for a serious viral infection only months earlier. It seems that this could have contributed to a Candida overgrowth, and as I remember the symptoms of fragrance allergy and how it seemed to correspond with the body's reaction to certain foods (eg: wheat, potatoes, corn etc), it did only become a problem for me soon after taking those antibiotics. Candida is a systemic infection, although the more major problem seems to be that it causes a "leaky gut", that then all kinds of other infections can become systemic, some bacteria or yeasts particularly targeting the throat and nasal.

    So I'd recommend looking seriously into that, perhaps more than Adrenal Fatigue, because the symptoms of Candida could well match your complaints. It makes sense to consider that the unmanaged Candida along with my working conditions were probably co-contributors toward the eventual Adrenal Fatigue, although Candida alone couldn't account for it, because that role was physically exhausting too - insufficient and irregular sleep, psychological abuse etc.

    This website that I was looking at has a lot of good information on it, and this article lays it out especially well: Fungal Infections – How to Eliminate Yeast, Candida, and Mold Infections For Good
     
  15. bugkiller

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    Is this a public venue? Aren't the posts here open to everyone? Why would anyone have to say you said this (by quote) to have a valid post? There are two ways to have a two party exchange here - formal debate and the PM feature. When I post I generally am consistent in idea. I'm known for being anti old covenant. Some say that I'm antinomian meaning I'm against God's law the 10 Cs. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm a 100% new covenant believer in my relationship with God and His Son Jesus.

    Jesus said to keep His commandments. Jesus didn't say keep My Father's commandments. Jn 15:10. Jn 15:10 is exclusionary. As mentioned Jesus didn't bring the law (Jn 1:17). Jesus doesn't contradict Himself in Mat 19 with Jn 10 or the OT. Jn 10 says nothing about the law being a requirement. In fact it says using them to gain admittance is thievery and they won't get in. It really leaves Jesus as the exclusive key or way to get in. No one will get by Him.

    If people can't remember what they promote by posting, what are they doing here? I think they here only to cause trouble and be contentious.

    Integrity is a wonderful trait. It's one of the things that's very attractive about God and His Son Jesus to me.

    bugkiller
     
  16. Sheep dog

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    Demean? Is that really the intent or is that what you want the intent to be for some reason?
     
  17. Sheep dog

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    In-other-words you're just blabbing. For what may I ask?
     
  18. Sheep dog

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    What verses permit sin?
     
  19. Sheep dog

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    Where do you remember this from? Didn't you just prove context of an individual by previous posts and not just the last one?
     
  20. Sheep dog

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    What laws did I mention?
    Secondly I will try by illustration to explain legalistic. If you're doing 34 mph in a 35 mph zone you're legal. If your doing 36 in that same zone you're illegal (sinning). Legalism comes into ply when you're in front of the judge for violating the speed limit. The judge can be reasonable or legal. If the judge decides to fine you for exceeding the speed limit, he's justified within the law and being legalistic. The same concept applies when the law is trying to be enforced on the believer. There's a slight difference, though. The believer (Christian) isn't subject to the law covenant given to Israel. That doesn't mean sin or the right to sin is being promoted.

    Take the example of murder since it has come up. My unregenerate neighbor will tell you in short order what to do with your religion, yet doesn't murder. Is he trying to be in compliance to the ten commandments? No. Even if he was, is he trying to earn God's good favor to get into heaven? Again no. He refuses to accept what he calls pie in the sky escapism.
    No refusing to discuss religious institutions isn't a cop out. If you want to deal with a particular doctrine of some organization, state it. I do note you don't identify with a religious group. Why, since you want to discuss them?
     
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