God changed the Sabbath

[W2L]

No I'm being point blank honest since you're judging me. Yes I'm well know for my position which is in opposition to the MJ and SDA false doctrine. Paul is in full support of Jeremiah 31:31-33. NTL you can say anything you like.

bugkiller

So you are clearly asserting that Hebrews 4 refers to Sunday?

 

[bugkiller]

The Church met daily in the temple. D A I L Y

So....

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

So you are clearly asserting that Hebrews 4 refers to Sunday?

No. Besides that it doesn't refer to the 7th day Sabbath either. The word Sabbath doesn't appear in the Greek text.

bugkiller

 

[W2L]

So....

bugkiller

No bro, don't go digging into past postings, lets stick with here and now. You agreed with the OP. She asserted that Hebrews 4 refers to sunday. Are you now asserting that as well?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Since it will be taught then, why has christendom rejected the New Covenant now?

I'm not sure of the rest of your post(s) or larger views yet (haven't read much but this one post),
but it seems part of 'christendom' rejected Yhwh and Yeshua and Torah
by
choosing* faith in someone besides Yhwh and Yeshua and Torah.

*(choosing) i.e. an act of the will,
since according to Yhwh's Grace anyone who seeks Yhwh's Kingdom and keeps seeking will find Him; and Yhwh Guards His Word to fulfill it even more than He guards His Own Name.

 

[W2L]

No.

bugkiller

Ok then, your opinion does not coincide with orthodox in this particular matter, contrary to your previous statement.

 

[pilgrimage]

God didn't change anything. Hebrews 4 is not talking about Sunday. I cant understand why anyone would think he was referring to Sunday.

"Today is the day of salvation"....this is not Sunday.

many people worship one day a week so 1/7 of alloted time, over the 10 percent. It would be nice if everyone gave 100 percent. but they dont. The sabbath in hebrews 4 has been changed from the old sabbath and will change again for a further one in eternity

 

[W2L]

No. Besides that it doesn't refer to the 7th day Sabbath either. The word Sabbath doesn't appear in the Greek text.

bugkiller

I'm just trying to get you to play fair here. Its not right to criticize MJ and SDA while excusing the orthodox. THe Orthodox, or at least the OP anyway, seem to be teaching that Hebrews 4 refers to Sunday.

 

[W2L]

many people worship one day a week so 1/7 of alloted time, over the 10 percent. It would be nice if everyone gave 100 percent. but they dont. The sabbath in hebrews 4 has been changed from the old sabbath and will change again for a further one in eternity

Yes, only it has been changed into something that cannot be found on a certain day of the week. Its not Sunday. I hate seeing MJ and SDA criticized while orthodox and prots gets a free pass. We either embrace liberty, or we establish legalistic days of worship. If we do the latter then we are not any less guilty than MJ or SDA.

 

[W2L]

I don't believe that one must be so non legalistic that they turn it into a form of legalism in itself. I don't care what day people feel they must worship God on. I think Romans 14 seems to teach that is must be ok to worship on certain days. However, I cant stand partiality in judgment and bias religion. If we are going to criticize MJ and SDA then lets take the log from our own eye first.

 

[lstnag2016]

I'm not sure of the rest of your post(s) or larger views yet (haven't read much but this one post),
but it seems part of 'christendom' rejected Yhwh and Yeshua and Torah
by
choosing* faith in someone besides Yhwh and Yeshua and Torah.

*(choosing) i.e. an act of the will,
since according to Yhwh's Grace anyone who seeks Yhwh's Kingdom and keeps seeking will find Him; and Yhwh Guards His Word to fulfill it even more than He guards His Own Name.

about fulfilling His Word

Habakkuk 2:2-3 1 Corinthians 13:9-10 bye bye hirelings

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-times-of-the-nations.7956666/

Search the word 'Seven' in the OP for starters

 

[pilgrimage]

I don't believe that one must be so non legalistic that they turn it into a form of legalism in itself. I don't care what day people feel they must worship God on. I think Romans 14 seems to teach that is must be ok to worship on certain days. However, I cant stand partiality in judgment and bias religion. If we are going to criticize MJ and SDA then lets take the log from our own eye first.

Instead of pointing a blanket finger you need to get. To specifics and quote the posts you are refencing

 

[bugkiller]

The Sabbath wasnt an issue or a need as command to follow for them, because it was already being observed for 2000+yrs, so they already knew about the day, as it was obvious to them as it would be obvious to us as not having to be told to stop at a stop sign because we already know that we need to.

Where did it say they were commanded to gather on Sunday?

There was no command to. It became a more common practice in the 1st century when Christianity and Judaism were clashed and Christianity separated itself from Judaism and decided to do its own thing. So both sides were probably guilty of wrong doing, but its human nature to move away from drama if you keep experiencing it

I suggest you read Acts. This was written before the end of the 1st century.

bugkiller

 

[W2L]

Instead of pointing a blanket finger you need to get. To specifics and quote the posts you are refencing

I have quoted many posts, not everything I say is a blanket statement. YOu might want to review the thread from the beginning. It will help you understand better.

 

[W2L]

Instead of pointing a blanket finger you need to get. To specifics and quote the posts you are refencing

My post was really expounding on the last one I made above it. Sorry for the confusion. #150 expounded on #149

 

[Rick Otto]

They didn't have the New Testament back then, but you do.

Where in the New Testament are followers of Jesus Christ commanded to have their gathered worship on the Sabbath?

Please answer the question.

-CryptoLutheran

Why does it have to be in the NT?
This seems to boil down to, ' we don't have to do anything the Jews had to.'

Isn't the command to observe Sabbath include families being gathered?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Just from what is written in the Bible,
the Torah was being read out loud every Sabbath
whether the Jews and the gentiles were there to hear Yhwh's Word or not.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I'm just trying to get you to play fair here. Its not right to criticize MJ and SDA while excusing the orthodox. THe Orthodox, or at least the OP anyway, seem to be teaching that Hebrews 4 refers to Sunday.

So much for sound doctrine. Hebrews 4 is (supposedly) talking about Sunday.

]No one brought up Hebrews 4 except for you.See post 46 and 61 and I'm not trying to teach that is what it says.My point is more directed to Hebrews 6 about not returning to the practises of Judaism as Peter did when he ate with the Jerusalem crew aside from the gentiles.

You Have proven that the title should be changed to "God changed the Sabbath" but all my posts remain and I stand by what I have said. That God changed the Sabbath is elementary to some and unacceptable to others. But I don't think talking about the Sabbath equates to slander of the sabbath-keepers.

I did say that certain MJ's are not recognizing grace.

We all must take the board out of our own eyes. Baiting Heb 4 and then saying my OP is based on it is a lie. Your churchanese is showing. But you will fit in well with many of the particular denominations on the forum.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Why does it have to be in the NT?
This seems to boil down to, ' we don't have to do anything the Jews had to.'

Isn't the command to observe Sabbath include families being gathered?

No we don't have to do anything that the Jews did except love God and neighbour.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

"Jesus is Messiah" is not accepted by most people. They reject Him. Even though He created all things, everything in the whole entire universe throughout time and eternity.
The Sabbath Yhwh set apart and sanctified is not accepted by most people. They reject Him.
Even though He created all things, and in Him we all live and breathe and walk and have our being.
What people accept and reject is not a standard to go by (although it may hold true most all the time that whatever society calls true is false, and whatever society calls false is true, it is still not an unchangeable standard).
Yhwh's Word never changes.
The ten words He wrote in stone never change. (not until after the universe is rolled up and gone, IF ever).
"Did Yhwh say?" Is still the tempters way of getting doubt in people's minds attempting to persuade people everywhere to sin.
And then, and now, for now, people everywhere sin.
Yhwh saves for Himself a remnant out of each nation, and He Himself Guards us.