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[garry2]

I wasn't able to post so I tried again and again and now all three came up.

 

[garry2]

I posted here but don't know what happened to it,
I'll try again.

 

[garry2]

The angel of the Lord is not the Lord but he represents the Lord.

How many in the God head now - Father, Son, Holy Spirit and Michael?

I don't think so.

When we are snatched up we will be like Christ and we will be in Christ as Christ is in the Father, but we will not be christ.

 

[garry2]

I do believe that Michael is the angel that represents the Lord. (appears on His behalf)

 

[HisdaughterJen]

I have no idea why it is when absolute Bible proof is given to people with preconceived ideas that they just can’t see it, or handle it.
That is their choice of course.
Why do you speak about Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses?
They have nothing to do with the subject matter on my thread.
If you wish to talk about religions, I would suggest you take your remarks off my thread and go somewhere else and make those negatives.
I would that you stick to the subject matter within this thread.
It is not your business but I am neither SDA or a JW.
I have seen you do this type of thing before and disrupt other posts it is destructive and bullying so go elsewhere and peddle your insults about myself or others being influenced by Satan.

Good by ‘Hisdaughterjen.’

PC,
You brought it up, not I. I'm just the one who questioned it. How do I know where you got your beliefs? From the website you posted in your post #35.

You said,
"Credit to

http://www.biblelight.net/http://www....net/~mikesch/

At the bottom of the first page of that website, it says what religion they follow. If you are quoting that website, then you must be following their beliefs.

Actually, I've been in a state of grief over you all day. I was enjoying your posts...and then this really came out of left field (from my perspective, anyway).

The JW's believe the same thing and I've been through so much with them and their false beliefs presented as the only truth there is and if you don't believe it or if you even question it, then you're lost forever. (not to mention the physical, mental, emotional abuse, and even torture)- (Imagine being denied water while being confined, beaten and slapped until you repeat their beliefs and say that you believe it...I don't have to imagine it!)

I'm sorry to have offended you. I just refuse to be led astray again by a belief that you and they share which is that Jesus is Michael the archangel. The Creator of all things is not an angel.

God Bless you in your search for Him....

YSIC,
Jen

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The angel of the Lord is not the Lord but he represents the Lord.

How many in the God head now - Father, Son, Holy Spirit and Michael?

I don't think so.

When we are snatched up we will be like Christ and we will be in Christ as Christ is in the Father, but we will not be christ.

YHWH of hosts, appearing pre-incarnation as "The Messenger of YHWH", wrestled with Jacob and gave Jacob His New Man name -which He would come as a second human being creation in.
Genesis 32: Hosea 12:3-5
That name is "Israel" [Isaiah 49], brother to Adam, and He is come in that second, fully human being, created flesh, who Himself is the Word of God, YHWH of hosts, second Person in YHWH the everlasting Spirit, who made all things, in whose very image Adam was made Genesis 1 and Romans 5;14 [Adam is made in the tupos of Him who was to come and is come, in the very "tupos" of YHWH of hosts, in the image of the "Person in YHWH called the Word"..
"who was to come".

Adam is not made in the image of the created angel, Michael, "who is the chief of the chiefs", and one of the four "Cherubim=beasts" guarding the Throne of Glory, full of eyes all around, who fend off the "satans" which come to accuse the brethren, and one of the seven "archangels" those seven spirits =angels, before the throne of YHWH -the "Word".

Daniel 10:13 -Michael is "one" of the archangels [chief princes]

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

"Israel", the second human being created, is YHWH of hosts, the Living spirit, come in flesh. He is God the Word, who was with God and was God, in whose image Adam is made, who is the similitude of YHWH whom Moses saw, who is the Almighty God, Himself, who is "Seen", as the Father is never Seen.

Michael is one of the seven archangels, and the chief of them.
-from 1 Enoch, Michael beseeches the pre-incarnate LORD Jesus Christ as the Creator, God :

[Chapter 9]​

1 And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being 2 shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth. And they said one to another: 'The earth made without inhabitant cries the voice of their cryingst up to the gates of heaven. 3 And now to you, the holy ones of heaven, the souls of men make their suit, saying, "Bring our cause 4 before the Most High."' And they said to the Lord of the ages: 'Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings, and God of the ages, the throne of Thy glory (standeth) unto all the generations of the 5 ages, and Thy name holy and glorious and blessed unto all the ages! Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all 6 things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee. Thou seest what Azazel hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which 7 men were striving to learn: And Semjaza, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates. And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the 9 women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. And the women have 10 borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are 11 wrought on the earth. And Thou knowest all things before they come to pass, and Thou seest these things and Thou dost suffer them, and Thou dost not say to us what we are to do to them in regard to these.'
..........
The Word gives Michael instructons:

And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjaza and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves 12 with them in all their uncleanness. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is 13 for ever and ever is consummated. In those days they shall be led off to the abyss of fire: and 14 to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined for ever. And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the end of all 15 generations. And destroy all the spirits of the reprobate and the children of the Watchers, because 16 they have wronged mankind. Destroy all wrong from the face of the earth and let every evil work come to an end: and let the plant of righteousness and truth appear: and it shall prove a blessing; the works of righteousness and truth' shall be planted in truth and joy for evermore.

Enoch 24; 6 Then answered Michael, one of the holy and honoured angels who was with me, and was their leader.

[Chapter 40]
1 And after that I saw thousands of thousands and ten thousand times ten thousand, I saw a multitude 2 beyond number and reckoning, who stood before the Lord of Spirits. And on the four sides of the Lord of Spirits I saw four presences, different from those that sleep not, and I learnt their names: for the angel that went with me made known to me their names, and showed me all the hidden things. 3 And I heard the voices of those four presences as they uttered praises before the Lord of glory. 4,5 The first voice blesses the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever. And the second voice I heard blessing 6 the Elect One and the elect ones who hang upon the Lord of Spirits. And the third voice I heard pray and intercede for those who dwell on the earth and supplicate in the name of the Lord of Spirits. 7 And I heard the fourth voice fending off the Satans and forbidding them to come before the Lord 8 of Spirits to accuse them who dwell on the earth. After that I asked the angel of peace who went with me, who showed me everything that is hidden: 'Who are these four presences which I have 9 seen and whose words I have heard and written down?' And he said to me: 'This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.' 10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.



Michael and the other three bound the fallen angels;

[Chapter 54]
1 And I looked and turned to another part of the earth, and saw there a deep valley with burning 2 fire. And they brought the kings and the mighty, and began to cast them into this deep valley. 3 And there mine eyes saw how they made these their instruments, iron chains of immeasurable weight. 4 And I asked the angel of peace who went with me, saying: ' For whom are these chains being prepared ? ' And he said unto me: ' These are being prepared for the hosts of Azazel, so that they may take them and cast them into the abyss of complete condemnation, and they shall cover their jaws with rough stones as the Lord of Spirits commanded. 6 And Michael, and Gabriel, and Raphael, and Phanuel shall take hold of them on that great day, and cast them on that day into the burning furnace, that the Lord of Spirits may take vengeance on them for their unrighteousness in becoming subject to Satan and leading astray those who dwell on the earth.' 7 And in those days shall punishment come from the Lord of Spirits, and he will open all the chambers of waters which are above the heavens, and of the fountains which are beneath the earth. 8 And all the waters shall be joined with the waters: that which is above the heavens is the masculine, 9 and the water which is beneath the earth is the feminine. And they shall destroy all who dwell 10 on the earth and those who dwell under the ends of the heaven. And when they have recognized their unrighteousness which they have wrought on the earth, then by these shall they perish.




read the whole book here -there's much more about the archangel/cherub Michael -and that is why his name is used in the OT and the NT, without explanation, for he is described/explained in Enoch.

http://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch.htm
Ezekiel gets a good view of the Cherubim carrying the Throne of Glory on which YHWH of hosts comes, as the Glory of God, in Ezekiel 1-11.
The Father is never seen, cannot be seen, has never been seen, and will never be seen by angel or man, so says the Word, and the One Seen, in YHWH is always the Word, the LORD of Glory and the only Similitude of YHWH who is seen, was seen, and shall be seen.

 

[garry2]

And also:
Hebrews 1:1-5
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

 

[lecoop]

Galatians 1
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Paul said this, inspired by the Holy Spirit, the third part of the triune God, YHWH or Jehovah. Paul's gospel did not include confusion between Michael, the angel, and Jesus the Christ, the second part of the Most High God, Jehovah, the creator of all things, including Michael!

So we will just let Paul's verses speak.

Coop

 

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[HisdaughterJen]

We are told that Sunday, the venerable day of the sun god, was instituted in the fourth century, way after Paul wrote Romans 14.

In 321AD Constantine drew into the church sun worshippers and allowed them to continue worshipping on Sunday, instead of the commandment seventh day Sabbath, to make their transition easier and in so doing invited a pagan day observance into the church that has continued up until today.
PC.

The JW's teach that:
Constantine set up a phallic symbol on top of the church to draw sinners into it to make their transition easier and that symbol evolved into the cross of Christ by "Christendom" which is a pagan symbol (from Tammuz) that the church observes up until today. They don't believe that Jesus died on a cross and it is an offense to them.

This was the reason that my JW family refused to go to my wedding in a church...they said I was getting married in front of a ...um..."phallic symbol" because there was a cross there.

It's obvious to me that whatever you're listening to is being cut from the same cloth as what I grew up in. It's the same spirit teaching the same general stuff. It is not of God. It is truly a doctrine of demons.

 

[garry2]

I believe the seventh day is the sabbath and not sunday.
I believe the Bible is clear on that.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

I believe the seventh day is the sabbath and not sunday.
I believe the Bible is clear on that.

Yes, the Sabbath day is Saturday. The Bible is clear on that, you are correct, garry2.
I think,(and maybe I'm wrong) that PC is saying that since we go to church on Sunday, we are worshiping some pagan sun god.
I don't know about you, but I worship God every single day of the week...not just on Sunday ("SUNDAY THE VENERABLE DAY OF THE SUN GOD" as PC said above)

Those dog-gone Sunday church-goers...you've just got to watch out for them! Because they go to church on SUNday, they are worshipping the SUN god. What pagans! They aren't God's TRUE followers, like US, who go to church on Saturday. Does anyone see how rediculous this is? It's exactly what I grew up with...look at those "christians", they worship in a building with a cross on it, don't they know they are worshipping the pagan god Tammuz and venerating a phallic symbol? Look at US, we're better than them, they'd say.
UGH!

 

[garry2]

Yes, the Sabbath day is Saturday. The Bible is clear on that, you are correct, garry2.
I think,(and maybe I'm wrong) that PC is saying that since we go to church on Sunday, we are worshiping some pagan sun god.
I don't know about you, but I worship God every single day of the week...not just on Sunday ("SUNDAY THE VENERABLE DAY OF THE SUN GOD" as PC said above)

Those dog-gone Sunday church-goers...you've just got to watch out for them! Because they go to church on SUNday, they are worshipping the SUN god. What pagans! They aren't God's TRUE followers, like US, who go to church on Saturday. Does anyone see how rediculous this is? It's exactly what I grew up with...look at those "christians", they worship in a building with a cross on it, don't they know they are worshipping the pagan god Tammuz and venerating a phallic symbol? Look at US, we're better than them, they'd say.
UGH!

Yes I know what the jw's are like, when one said to me Jesus is no one, was the last time a jw came into my home.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Yes I know what the jw's are like, when one said to me Jesus is no one, was the last time a jw came into my home.

Yeah, the last time one came into my house, she said that the BIBLE is WRONG when I showed her that Enoch didn't die in Hebrews 11:5.

They've really done a number on me and it's taken years to get over and past their teachings. It took me years to realize and accept that Jesus is God so this whole conversation has struck me intensely and to the very core.

I regret that PC has felt the brunt of it because he brought up the Michael/Jesus thing. I do not mean to offend him on a personal level...I hope he reads this...it is not him personally but the beliefs alone that are terribly bothersome to me. God is the only one who knows what I went through with the JW's and their beliefs...the same one's that he's promoting.

 

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[yeshuasavedme]

I have never called Sunday a Sabbath!!!!!
Romans 14 says not to judge a Believer in Jesus who observes one day above another, and not to judge a Believer who does not observe one day above another.
Case closed.
Acts 15 releases Gentiles from Moses' law, and what the Jerusalem council wrote to Gentiles there is what we obey.


The local Churches everywhere can agree together what ever day they wish to come together on for congregational worship, edification and exhortation and ministry.

Saturday was never established by YHWH as a day for congregations to come together in a meeting to fellowship together and edify one another.
The seventh day Sabbath was a sign of the erernal Sabbath to come, in the finished work of the Son of Man, and of ceasing one's own works and entering into His.

The priests broke the seventh day Sabbath every week and were blameless, said Jesus, and they did so because they performed the works of "firstborn", as God gave them to do, as Living Oracles of the Eternal Sabbath rest of His Peace.

When the Jews were taken into captivity they began to meet together for edification and study of the Word....YHWH did not command that. When the Church began -and was kicked out of the Synagogues- they began to meet on the first day of the week for congregational worship, study of the Word and for mutual edification....They met on what we call Sat eve, but which is"first day" in Scriptures, when they met: They did not meet on Sunday morning, but the eve of first day [our Sat nite] -and whenever else they needed to meet; but meeting together has nothing to do with the Temple Sacrifices which YHWH commanded, which are fulfilled in Jesus Christ, and in we who are the second Temple, being built on Him as Firstborn, and Foundation Stone of the Living Temple.

So please stop the Judaising and judging of we who do not observe seventh day, as I do not care what day you observe, as long as you observe it to the LORD..I do not observe it "to the LORD", as I am in the eternal Sabbath Rest of the finished work of Christ; and if we need, locally, to set a certain day to meet together, for convenience, whether it is first day, second day, third fourth or fifth..., it isn't your business, but ours, before God....nor is yours, ours.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

I am NOT a Seventh Day Adventist or a JW! I have nothing to do with those people. How many times do I have to tell you. I am not responsible for your suffering.
I do NOT BELONG TO ANY CHURCH!
I am A Bible Christian.
I believe that faith and understanding are not borne out of fear or intimidation or anger but out of love.
I have had enough of this place and you in particular.
I did not say anybody worshiped the sun god. I said that the seventh day Sabbath commandment was being ignored for a pagan day and that fact is recorded as an historical fact.
Since when is it so offensive to you that I support the commandments of GOD.
As I said you cause trouble wherever you go and spoil serious study for argumentative reasons because you were badly treated.... Well you are doing the exact same thing.
If you feel so badly about your family go for some help.

Stop repeating the deeds that you accuse the JWs of.
You would do well to remember Faith is not borne out of fear or intimidation.
I think the cross is a dreadful thing it killed Jesus and my hope is in His resurrection.
Dors that make me a JW
Jesus is GOD now does that sound like a JW?
Jesus IS GOD THE CREATOR! DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A JW?
Ellen G White, Is NOT A PROPHET now does that sound like an SDA?

Did I say that you prayed to a sun god? NO I DID NOT but the way you act you might as well be.
Are you a Moslem with a chip on her shoulder?
Is this a Moslem plot?
You act agressively like the Moslem fundamentalist and by your own reckoning that makes you a Moslem does it NOT?
How do you like it now that it is your turn on the receiving end?

Do you pray to Mohamed?

You're hilarious!

Again, it is the idea that Jesus is Michael the archangel and the idea that anyone who goes to church on SUNday rather than Saturday is displeasing to God by breaking a commandment that I have a problem with.

The website you promoted is SDA as well as these ideas you are promoting. You say you are not SDA or JW. It doesn't matter to me. You may believe what you want but any false doctrine promoted here is open to discussion and questioning.

I value YOU and consider you my brother in Christ. I am not angry or upset with YOU in any way. YOU are in my prayers. Say whatever you want about me...call me every name in the book...it doesn't matter...I forgive and forget immediately!

YSIC,
Jen

 

[HisdaughterJen]

hisdaughterjen. Are you a Moslem and do you pray to Mohamed?
No wonder your family gave you what for you deserved it.

Sorry, don't know moslim or Mohamed...
Why don't you let Christ be the judge of what I deserve or don't deserve, hmmm? You are letting your true colors show, here, and it isn't pretty. Like I said, say whatever you want about me, including this:
Last edited by Prophecy Countdown : Today at 08:35 PM. Reason: to get away from the dragon's daughter
Guess what?!
I forgive you...