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HisdaughterJen
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Ok, you lost me when you said Michael and Jesus are one and the same. Everything you've said is now tainted by this.
The Jehovah's Witnesses preach this so that it's ok not to worship Jesus since angels are not to be worshipped.
That's a lie straight out of the devil's mouth!
You said:
"SAME TRUMPET SAME EVENT SAME VOICE.
It is the Lord who is the resurrection of life that has the voice of the seventh trumpet He is the ONLY ARCHANGEL with His other name ‘Michael,’ there is no other within scripture. See Jude 9 and the following verse.
1 Thessalonians 4: 16. For the LORD HIMSELF shall descend from heaven WITH A SHOUT, WITH THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL, and WITH THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ SHALL RISE FIRST:"
Have you never read...
Hbr 1:1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
Hbr 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
Hbr 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Hbr 1:4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
Hbr 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father[fn1]”[fn2]?
Or again,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”[fn3]?
Hbr 1:6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God's angels worship him.”[fn4]
Hbr 1:7 In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels winds,
his servants flames of fire.”[fn5]
Hbr 1:8 But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
Hbr 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[fn6]
Hbr 1:10 He also says,
“In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
Hbr 1:11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
Hbr 1:12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”[fn7]
Hbr 1:13 To which of the angels did God ever say,
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet”[fn8]?
Hbr 1:14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
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HisdaughterJen
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Here are all the verses which mention the archangel Michael. This is not Jesus!
Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.
Dan 10:21but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. (No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince.
Dan 12:1"At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered.
Jud 1:9But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
Rev 12:7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
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OneOfHisHandmaidens
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In my opinion..... Prophecy Down gave the correct order of events AS listed in the Bible.
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HisdaughterJen
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Yeah, and he also thinks that Jesus and Michael, the archangel, are one and the same.
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OneOfHisHandmaidens
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That doesn't mean he is 100% wrong!! You are missing truth because you find something you disagree with.
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HisdaughterJen
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Nancy,
The Spirit of God leads us and guides us. There is one Spirit and One God.
If someone thinks that the Savior Jesus is Michael the archangel, then they aren't listening to the Spirit of God.
That should send up some red flags!
BEWARE!
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OneOfHisHandmaidens
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HisdaughterJen
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Prophecy Countdown,
With all due respect, Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses literally originate from the same place in the natural (and the spiritual).
I will not be led down that rabbit hole of deception again.
Jesus is God. He is not Michael the archangel. Ask yourself, what purpose does it serve to believe such a thing? Who is glorified? If the devil can get people to believe that God is just an angel and the devil is just an angel, well, then, why can’t the devil overthrow a fellow angel? They are equals because they are angels? Do you see the implications? Do you see the beneficiary? Do you see the crafty deception?
With all due respect, Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses literally originate from the same place in the natural (and the spiritual).
I will not be led down that rabbit hole of deception again.
Jesus is God. He is not Michael the archangel. Ask yourself, what purpose does it serve to believe such a thing? Who is glorified? If the devil can get people to believe that God is just an angel and the devil is just an angel, well, then, why can’t the devil overthrow a fellow angel? They are equals because they are angels? Do you see the implications? Do you see the beneficiary? Do you see the crafty deception?
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yeshuasavedme
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Prophecy countdown is SDA, I believe, and believes Michael "one" of the Chief's" is the LORD Jesus Christ.
But that is false!
Believers in Jesus Christ are not to judge each other for observing days, but Israel, only, the "namesake people of the LORD'S New Man name, were given the seventh day as a sign -an oracle- a teaching, of the eternal Sabbath of finished works each born again Believer enters into when they are adopted into Christ by the second birth.
So; born again Believers are in the eternal Sabbath, the finished Work and His "Sabbath of Peace" toward us, and no Gentile is under the seventh day Sabbath, and the early Church met on Saturday eve -which was the beginning of the "first day" and celebrated the resurrection of Jesus Christ on the first day of the week -and day keeping is not in the list of things the Jerusalem council decided, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to place Gentile believers under, as shown in Acts 15.
but Believers are told to not judge one another for observing days or not observing days, in Romans 14.
Next: Prophecy countdown and oneofhishandmaidens are wrong on the trumpets, for Moses was shown the Living Oracles to give Israel as the Teacher of all God's entire One Way Plan for Redemtion and judgment of the unredeemed in their seasons.
If one is not learned by the Schoolmaster's instructions on these things, then they cannot be a teacher in His Church, and the Law is the Schoolmaster as the "Living Oracles". Everything Moses saw was of the "heavenly things" and Moses copied all things exactly and ordered all things to be done exactly as he was instructed because they each are important as the shadows of the One Eternal Truth.
So, in the Schoolmaster, , our Tutor, the "Teacher", the Law, the Living Oracles, we are instructed about the heavenly trumpets in Numbers 10:1-7, and there are two trumpets in heaven which Moses had copied to teach the truth of the ingathering by.
When both trumpets are blown twice, in succession, the entire assembly -the whole congregation- of YHWH is to gather before the door of assembly.
When both trumpets are blown, it is because YHWH gave the command to call the entire congregation to assemble before Him, at His door of meeting, or assembly.
Our Assembly place is in heaven, where the created temple is, and in that created temple there is a Holy of Holies -more on that another time- and in that place the priests of God, His sons, stand and minister.
Before Him stand seven "spirits/angels", in that place, and they are Michael, the "Chief of the Chiefs", Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel, Raguel, Zerachiel and Remiel.
Micahel, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel are Cherubim, guardians before the throne, also, -the devil is a fallen cherub, in scripture.
The entire teaching of the sevn is first in 1 Enoch, and they are the seven, "full of eyes" [Ezekiel 1], also called "beasts" in Revelation...and a "beast/cherub" confined to the abyss , rises from the "abyss", in Revelation, "who was, is not, and shall ascend" from there.
And in Ezekiel 28, the spiritual king of Tyre, in the spiritual dominion of earth's realm, is spoken to:
We are called to the ingathering from heaven above and earth beneath by that great trumpet sounding of the two, twice, together, when the LORD calls for us to be gathered unto Him from ehaven above and earth beneath, in Psalm 50.
This is long, but to sum up:
Enoch tells about the seven spirits before the throne, and the four esp, as guardians, who are Cherubim [as seen in Ezekiel chapters 1-11, who bear the Throne of glory]and are quite magnificient creatures, which the "fallen cherub", cast down and bound in the Abyss, was one of.
There are many "satans" in Scrpture, as shown in Enoch 1, and many fallen angels, as Abaddon/Apollyon/Perdition is one, of whom will be cast out of heaven in the great tribulation.
Michael is the "chief of the chiefs" who stand before the LORD of Glory, who is the LORD Jesus Christ -pre-incarnation and after, always- YHWH, the second Person of the Tri-une YHWH, in whose image -to come- Adam was made [Romans 5:14].
So there is a cherub confined in the Abyss, who will arise from his confinement, after the Church is removed by the two trumpets sounding, which sound together to call for the great gathering together to the LORD of the entire congregation, which gathering to Him is to be in the Air, when He tells us to "come, My people, enter into thy rooms and shut thy doors behind thee -until the wrath is past" -and Isaiah 27 tells about that immediately following wrath poured out on all the earth.
We celebrate for seven whole years, a week of years back on earth, "standing before the Son of Man" -as sons of God, priests robed in garments of righteousness, along with Gabriel and Michael and all the "chiefs", having escaped the wrath poured out on all the inhabitants of the earth.
But that is false!
Believers in Jesus Christ are not to judge each other for observing days, but Israel, only, the "namesake people of the LORD'S New Man name, were given the seventh day as a sign -an oracle- a teaching, of the eternal Sabbath of finished works each born again Believer enters into when they are adopted into Christ by the second birth.
So; born again Believers are in the eternal Sabbath, the finished Work and His "Sabbath of Peace" toward us, and no Gentile is under the seventh day Sabbath, and the early Church met on Saturday eve -which was the beginning of the "first day" and celebrated the resurrection of Jesus Christ on the first day of the week -and day keeping is not in the list of things the Jerusalem council decided, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to place Gentile believers under, as shown in Acts 15.
but Believers are told to not judge one another for observing days or not observing days, in Romans 14.
Next: Prophecy countdown and oneofhishandmaidens are wrong on the trumpets, for Moses was shown the Living Oracles to give Israel as the Teacher of all God's entire One Way Plan for Redemtion and judgment of the unredeemed in their seasons.
If one is not learned by the Schoolmaster's instructions on these things, then they cannot be a teacher in His Church, and the Law is the Schoolmaster as the "Living Oracles". Everything Moses saw was of the "heavenly things" and Moses copied all things exactly and ordered all things to be done exactly as he was instructed because they each are important as the shadows of the One Eternal Truth.
So, in the Schoolmaster, , our Tutor, the "Teacher", the Law, the Living Oracles, we are instructed about the heavenly trumpets in Numbers 10:1-7, and there are two trumpets in heaven which Moses had copied to teach the truth of the ingathering by.
When both trumpets are blown twice, in succession, the entire assembly -the whole congregation- of YHWH is to gather before the door of assembly.
When both trumpets are blown, it is because YHWH gave the command to call the entire congregation to assemble before Him, at His door of meeting, or assembly.
Our Assembly place is in heaven, where the created temple is, and in that created temple there is a Holy of Holies -more on that another time- and in that place the priests of God, His sons, stand and minister.
Before Him stand seven "spirits/angels", in that place, and they are Michael, the "Chief of the Chiefs", Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel, Raguel, Zerachiel and Remiel.
Micahel, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel are Cherubim, guardians before the throne, also, -the devil is a fallen cherub, in scripture.
The entire teaching of the sevn is first in 1 Enoch, and they are the seven, "full of eyes" [Ezekiel 1], also called "beasts" in Revelation...and a "beast/cherub" confined to the abyss , rises from the "abyss", in Revelation, "who was, is not, and shall ascend" from there.
And in Ezekiel 28, the spiritual king of Tyre, in the spiritual dominion of earth's realm, is spoken to:
In Revelation 17, The confined beast/cherub arises from the Abyss after the Church is removed from the midst of the earth by the two trumpets calling the entire Assembly of YHWH to be ingathered, as the first harvest of sons of God from off earth, which harvest is typed in Pentecost, and go in unto Him to celebrate behind closed doors their consecration as priests unto the Son of Man -Leviticus 8, in the oracles teaches about donning our garments and entering in, shutting our doors behind us and celebrating for one week of seven days, while one week of seven years passes by on earth of the great tribulation.
The four Beasts/Cherubim before the throne in Rev 4,7, and 14 are four Archangels, so named in 1 Enoch as guardians:
http://cf.blb.org/search/getBible.cfm?b=Rev&c=14&v=3&version=KJV#3
We are called to the ingathering from heaven above and earth beneath by that great trumpet sounding of the two, twice, together, when the LORD calls for us to be gathered unto Him from ehaven above and earth beneath, in Psalm 50.
This is long, but to sum up:
Enoch tells about the seven spirits before the throne, and the four esp, as guardians, who are Cherubim [as seen in Ezekiel chapters 1-11, who bear the Throne of glory]and are quite magnificient creatures, which the "fallen cherub", cast down and bound in the Abyss, was one of.
There are many "satans" in Scrpture, as shown in Enoch 1, and many fallen angels, as Abaddon/Apollyon/Perdition is one, of whom will be cast out of heaven in the great tribulation.
Michael is the "chief of the chiefs" who stand before the LORD of Glory, who is the LORD Jesus Christ -pre-incarnation and after, always- YHWH, the second Person of the Tri-une YHWH, in whose image -to come- Adam was made [Romans 5:14].
So there is a cherub confined in the Abyss, who will arise from his confinement, after the Church is removed by the two trumpets sounding, which sound together to call for the great gathering together to the LORD of the entire congregation, which gathering to Him is to be in the Air, when He tells us to "come, My people, enter into thy rooms and shut thy doors behind thee -until the wrath is past" -and Isaiah 27 tells about that immediately following wrath poured out on all the earth.
We celebrate for seven whole years, a week of years back on earth, "standing before the Son of Man" -as sons of God, priests robed in garments of righteousness, along with Gabriel and Michael and all the "chiefs", having escaped the wrath poured out on all the inhabitants of the earth.
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yeshuasavedme
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Before YHWH came in human flesh of the second creation, He appeared as the Messenger of YHWH to Jacob, who was YHWH, Himself, who wrestled with Jacob and gave Jacob His own New Man come in flesh name, as a sign, or oracle, of the adoption to come, which was promised to Abraham in the promise of the Living Spirit, when Abram''s name was changed, with the "HA", the Live, added to it's midst.
Jacob understood Who He was, and made a "memorial pillar to His name", in Genesis 33
"ELELOHEISRAEL" ="God, the Mighty God, Israel".
Hosea 12:3-5 says YHWH of hosts indeed wrestled with Jacob and gave him His name.
Israel is His "namesake people" ever after, "called by His name", "Israel" [Isaiah 49 says His name is Israel], and He was not come in flesh until the human being Kinsman to Adam body was prepared for His indwelling in the womb of the virgin.
To teach that Michael is come in that prepared body of human flesh as the second Son of Man/Son of God [Adam is a fallen son of God -Luke 3:38], and that Micahel was sitting on the throne of Glory worshipped by Michael, is not biblical, is untrue, and is false.
Isaiah 6 shows the LORD Jesus Christ pre-incarnate, worshipped by Michael and the other angels before the throne, and John says Isaiah saw Jesus as YHWH of hosts, in 12;
Jacob understood Who He was, and made a "memorial pillar to His name", in Genesis 33
"ELELOHEISRAEL" ="God, the Mighty God, Israel".
Hosea 12:3-5 says YHWH of hosts indeed wrestled with Jacob and gave him His name.
Israel is His "namesake people" ever after, "called by His name", "Israel" [Isaiah 49 says His name is Israel], and He was not come in flesh until the human being Kinsman to Adam body was prepared for His indwelling in the womb of the virgin.
To teach that Michael is come in that prepared body of human flesh as the second Son of Man/Son of God [Adam is a fallen son of God -Luke 3:38], and that Micahel was sitting on the throne of Glory worshipped by Michael, is not biblical, is untrue, and is false.
Isaiah 6 shows the LORD Jesus Christ pre-incarnate, worshipped by Michael and the other angels before the throne, and John says Isaiah saw Jesus as YHWH of hosts, in 12;
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yeshuasavedme
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Before YHWH came in human flesh of the second creation, He appeared as the Messenger of YHWH to Jacob, who was YHWH, Himself, who wrestled with Jacob and gave Jacob His own New Man come in flesh name, as a sign, or oracle, of the adoption to come, which was promised to Abraham in the promise of the Living Spirit, when Abram''s name was changed, with the "HA", the Live, added to it's midst.
Jacob understood Who He was, and made a "memorial pillar to His name", in Genesis 33
"ELELOHEISRAEL" ="God, the Mighty God, Israel".
Hosea 12:3-5 says YHWH of hosts indeed wrestled with Jacob and gave him His name.
Israel is His "namesake people" ever after, "called by His name", "Israel" [Isaiah 49 says His name is Israel], and He was not come in flesh until the human being Kinsman to Adam body was prepared for His indwelling in the womb of the virgin.
To teach that Michael is come in that prepared body of human flesh as the second Son of Man/Son of God [Adam is a fallen son of God -Luke 3:38], and that Micahel was sitting on the throne of Glory worshipped by Michael, is not biblical, is untrue, and is false.
Isaiah 6 shows the LORD Jesus Christ pre-incarnate, worshipped by Michael and the other angels before the throne, and John says Isaiah saw Jesus as YHWH of hosts, in 12;
Jacob understood Who He was, and made a "memorial pillar to His name", in Genesis 33
"ELELOHEISRAEL" ="God, the Mighty God, Israel".
Hosea 12:3-5 says YHWH of hosts indeed wrestled with Jacob and gave him His name.
Israel is His "namesake people" ever after, "called by His name", "Israel" [Isaiah 49 says His name is Israel], and He was not come in flesh until the human being Kinsman to Adam body was prepared for His indwelling in the womb of the virgin.
To teach that Michael is come in that prepared body of human flesh as the second Son of Man/Son of God [Adam is a fallen son of God -Luke 3:38], and that Micahel was sitting on the throne of Glory worshipped by Michael, is not biblical, is untrue, and is false.
Isaiah 6 shows the LORD Jesus Christ pre-incarnate, worshipped by Michael and the other angels before the throne, and John says Isaiah saw Jesus as YHWH of hosts, in 12;
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