Global population hits 8 billion as growth poses more challenges for the planet

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I know nothing of native Americans. I do know that the taxpayers of Australia pour billions into Aboriginal Australia with very little to show for it.


It's not surprising that your billions now don't
accomplish much.

Few problems are solved by throwing money at them.

Do you think your aborigines are at fault for
the terrible situation they are in?
 
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I know nothing of native Americans. I do know that the taxpayers of Australia pour billions into Aboriginal Australia with very little to show for it.
A very limited amount of that resources is actually accessable by indigenous Australians.

The problem comes from when blatantly wrong headed ideas like the Intervention under John Howard cost a vast amount of money, don't help people and get added onto a list of expenses that indigenous Australians get blamed for.
 
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It's not surprising that your billions now don't
accomplish much.

Few problems are solved by throwing money at them.

Do you think your aborigines are at fault for
the terrible situation they are in?
No one compels them to be drunks. No one forces them to be useless parents. Some aborigines are doing very well. They've made good choices, even though it's not always easy. Others spend their lives in misery because they make bad choices. Australia is not North Korea where people are forced to live in effective slavery. The country where I was born was occupied by many different nations. So who do I sue? The Germanic tribes, Vikings, Romans, Dutch or French?
 
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A very limited amount of that resources is actually accessable by indigenous Australians.

The problem comes from when blatantly wrong headed ideas like the Intervention under John Howard cost a vast amount of money, don't help people and get added onto a list of expenses that indigenous Australians get blamed for.
What would you do?
 
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No one compels them to be drunks. No one forces them to be useless parents. Some aborigines are doing very well. They've made good choices, even though it's not always easy. Others spend their lives in misery because they make bad choices. Australia is not North Korea where people are forced to live in effective slavery. The country where I was born was occupied by many different nations. So who do I sue? The Germanic tribes, Vikings, Romans, Dutch or French?
The children of alcoholics tend to become
alcoholics, way above the average rate.

No, nobody forces them, but that fact doesn't
contribute anything to understanding the problem.

Indigenous populations world wide find themselves
in similar dire straits, if their land is taken over by
a much more powerful culture. Canadian Eskimos
or the natives of Borneo. Is this not so?

I'd not be confident that if I were born into
the indigenous population of Australia that
I could or would have had the capacity to
choose my way into the kind of prosperous life
I have. Perhaps you could do it.

I've no idea how to solve the problem.

Ways that are not going to work include throwing
money or blaming them for their choices.

Ultimately I think, individual success
rests on the story the person tells himself.
That the society says about itself.

The Jewish people for example have a
powerful narrative that have fostered success
in the face of great hardships.

How a new narrative for the Australian natives
will ever come about, I've no idea.

Meantime, treating them with Christian compassion
may be the best one can do for them- and I do think
that it's a minimum respect for the responsibility
the conquering race has for their victims- who were,
after all, doing fine until the invaders showed up.
 
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If you think converting Hindus to Christianity so they can eat cows is going to solve a socio-economic problem ...
At least we can talk about it with them over a steak dinner, can't we?

Introduce them to Jesus first.

Then Bob Evans and Colonel Sanders.
 
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The children of alcoholics tend to become alcoholics, way above the average rate.
My sister swore up and down that my dad was an alcoholic because he had some kind of "alcohol gene," even though I never saw him touch a drink in my life.

I am a teetotaler, but my sister, who attended AA meetings, said our hereditary genes got me hooked on other things.

Go science.
 
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No one compels them to be drunks. No one forces them to be useless parents. Some aborigines are doing very well. They've made good choices, even though it's not always easy. Others spend their lives in misery because they make bad choices. Australia is not North Korea where people are forced to live in effective slavery. The country where I was born was occupied by many different nations. So who do I sue? The Germanic tribes, Vikings, Romans, Dutch or French?

Compels no, but continued generational issues can't be simply willed away in the face current mistreatment, racism and significant health issues.

The point is not that aboriginal people deserve things because their distant ancestors suffered, it's because they continue to suffer.

Also, the mistreatment isn't some historical curiosity, people today are suffering at the hands of our nation.

What would you do?

Actually develop services and help mechanisms for the hardest his communities and make working with people living in those conditions to help change things.
 
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The country where I was born was occupied by many different nations. So who do I sue? The Germanic tribes, Vikings, Romans, Dutch or French?
The French. Definitely the French. At the very least you'll get a discount on Burgundy and on Dior handbags.
 
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The French. Definitely the French. At the very least you'll get a discount on Burgundy and on Dior handbags.
Of course. The English and French have never got on. My wife might like yet another handbag.
 
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