getting up and screaming in church

[Bridgit]

I would not stay in this church for sure. In Christ there is order and self-control, at all time, even when speaking in tongues.

 

[Mrs Butterworth]

I never did stay in churches that do stuff like that, I just visited them, and I know people who regularly attend churches that do that.

 

[Leah]

You know, in the OT. David danced before the glory of God too. His wife, Michal, had the same attitude some have here regarding dancing and shouting and yelling, ect, ect in the middle of church service. The bible says she despised him and said "How the kind distinguished himself today?"

 

[fifi]

In the past I have been to a few churches where, for no particular reason, someone from the congregation will get up, scream, and then run in the isles between the seats. This can happen at any point during the service and, to say the least, can be quite disruptive (and it's weird).

When I ask about this behavior the answer is always something like " well, when the Holy Spirit gets a hold of someone, they just do that". With this reasoning, they allow the behavior in the church.

I can't find anything in the bible that mentions this behavior and/or states that this behavior is acceptable during a service. Because this behavior is disruptive (not to mention weird) and does not work to edify others, I see it as something that should not be allowed.

What is your opinion?

In a lot of black churches this seems to take place I went to a church like this when I was young and its just flesh thats all. you are right the bible does not say anything about this.

 

[SoundCard]

You know, in the OT. David danced before the glory of God too. His wife, Michal, had the same attitude some have here regarding dancing and shouting and yelling, ect, ect in the middle of church service. The bible says she despised him and said "How the kind distinguished himself today?"

Well, dancing and singing is one thing, God certainly brings joy to His people that makes one want to dance and sing for certain! But I don't think mindless shouting and running around the isles is quite the same as dancing with joy.

 

[Leah]

Well, dancing and singing is one thing, God certainly brings joy to His people that makes one want to dance and sing for certain! But I don't think mindless shouting and running around the isles is quite the same as dancing with joy.

Well, the story can be found in 2 Samuel 6:1-23 and tells it alot better than what I did.

And what's it to any of ya'll if people 'mindlessly' shout and run around the isles? Who's to say that God doesn't bring joy to His people in such a way and what right do you have to judge them anyway?

Moreover, how come its perfectly acceptable to shout, scream, run around and jump up and down at, oh I don't know, football games or concerts or when someone wins the lottery (and all of that sure enough IS fleshy stuff); but not at church?

Besides, I'm sure people may think the same thing about you (not you, SoundCard) if you acted so 'mindlessly' at games or concerts or while you were driving and someone cuts in front of you and you start having road rage.


Now, If you feel its a demon causing such perpostuous behavior, then go lay hands on that person and command the devil to leave. If its God doing it, then you really don't have any say in the matter and it'd be wise of you to just sit down and hold YOUR peace while the people enjoy the goodness of God.

 

[whatfor]

Well, the story can be found in 2 Samuel 6:1-23 and tells it alot better than what I did.

And what's it to any of ya'll if people 'mindlessly' shout and run around the isles? Who's to say that God doesn't bring joy to His people in such a way and what right do you have to judge them anyway?

Moreover, how come its perfectly acceptable to shout, scream, run around and jump up and down at, oh I don't know, football games or concerts or when someone wins the lottery (and all of that sure enough IS fleshy stuff); but not at church?

Besides, I'm sure people may think the same thing about you (not you, SoundCard) if you acted so 'mindlessly' at games or concerts or while you were driving and someone cuts in front of you and you start having road rage.


Now, If you feel its a demon causing such perpostuous behavior, then go lay hands on that person and command the devil to leave. If its God doing it, then you really don't have any say in the matter and it'd be wise of you to just sit down and hold YOUR peace while the people enjoy the goodness of God.

I like your examples, shows just who or what they are worshipping.
Maybe if we could get that excited in church...............

 

[jazzypooh]

In the past I have been to a few churches where, for no particular reason, someone from the congregation will get up, scream, and then run in the isles between the seats. This can happen at any point during the service and, to say the least, can be quite disruptive (and it's weird).

When I ask about this behavior the answer is always something like " well, when the Holy Spirit gets a hold of someone, they just do that". With this reasoning, they allow the behavior in the church.

I can't find anything in the bible that mentions this behavior and/or states that this behavior is acceptable during a service. Because this behavior is disruptive (not to mention weird) and does not work to edify others, I see it as something that should not be allowed.

What is your opinion?

God is a God of order. anything that He does is done decently and in order. if behavior is displayed that causes confusion, then it's not of God because He's not the author of confusion.

i used to attend a church where people 'caught' the Holy Ghost. that's not Biblical, it is like u said very weird and disruptive. what u described sounds like a demonic manifestation. of couse the Holy Spirit moves supernaturally, because He's a supernatural being but He never does things that leaves us perplexed like what u have described

God bless,
~jazzy~

 

[MethoDiKaL]

Most practical response.

agreed. its a sensitive topic in the evangelical community (baptists, pentecostals, charismatic.) but as a whole - God is their judge.

 

[kat69]

Well, the story can be found in 2 Samuel 6:1-23 and tells it alot better than what I did.

And what's it to any of ya'll if people 'mindlessly' shout and run around the isles? Who's to say that God doesn't bring joy to His people in such a way and what right do you have to judge them anyway?

Moreover, how come its perfectly acceptable to shout, scream, run around and jump up and down at, oh I don't know, football games or concerts or when someone wins the lottery (and all of that sure enough IS fleshy stuff); but not at church?

Besides, I'm sure people may think the same thing about you (not you, SoundCard) if you acted so 'mindlessly' at games or concerts or while you were driving and someone cuts in front of you and you start having road rage.


Now, If you feel its a demon causing such perpostuous behavior, then go lay hands on that person and command the devil to leave. If its God doing it, then you really don't have any say in the matter and it'd be wise of you to just sit down and hold YOUR peace while the people enjoy the goodness of God.

 

[Bridgit]

God is a God of order. anything that He does is done decently and in order. if behavior is displayed that causes confusion, then it's not of God because He's not the author of confusion. ....

 

[Svt4Him]

God is a God or order, but He's also not a nervous God.

 

[Desperaux]

That kind of behaviour as outlined in the OP is not always Satan. It is also self--"Look at me! Look at me! See? I'm anointed! I have special ability!"

Either way, it is not godly, and those who are responsible for keeping order in the service really need to do their jobs. It is a ministry as well--helping the pastor in that way is a blessing to him.

 

[whatfor]

That kind of behaviour as outlined in the OP is not always Satan. It is also self--"Look at me! Look at me! See? I'm anointed! I have special ability!"

Either way, it is not godly, and those who are responsible for keeping order in the service really need to do their jobs. It is a ministry as well--helping the pastor in that way is a blessing to him.

I feel this could also be the oposite.
What if it was from God and they have just stopped fearing what man thinks and are letting go in worship.
I haven't seen this before but maybe we are fearing mans opinions too much.

 

[Desperaux]

I feel this could also be the oposite.
What if it was from God and they have just stopped fearing what man thinks and are letting go in worship.
I haven't seen this before but maybe we are fearing mans opinions too much.

There is most definitely a fear of man that many of us have!

In a church that allows for the move of the Holy Spirit, there would be more than one person who would be moved to express joy also. When there is only one person in such a church, it is mostly due to self-aggrandizement.

 

[one11]

If you think it's weird, I don't think that is the church for you nor do you have a right to dictate how your church should be nor how it's members should act or worship. You have a right to find another church, but not to make the rules within that church.

Some people are more outgoing than others and when they are in joy or worshiping, I've seen this happen. This happens more in what are called "charismatic" churches and I enjoy it a lot too. One church I was invited to we danced with tambourines up and down the isles and pews and it was one of the most spiritually free and happy moments I've ever shared with a group of believers. Unfortunately, I couldn't make this my church because it was too long a drive.

Sorry sister, but I just speak frankly. It's not your right to judge worship. It is your right to find another church, however.

And it is in the Bible in regards to Pentecost and other times.

Also most non-denominational churches have this experience which I do find edifying, so may I ask why you ARE non-denominational? as non-denominational churches accept people from all churches so you will see charismatics in non-denominational churches. This is what being non-denominational is all about in the first place, excepting all believers who choose to worship in the way they want to when the Pastor starts the praise and worship (including song) and prayer circles or silent prayer if one chooses. One could be extremely quiet and others can be extremely vocal or "charismatic" or they could be charismatic at other times during the service. But, if you are uncomfortable than I'm not sure why you chose to be non-denominational in the first place?

 

[rob64]

IMO;

FYI 1;
Our 'free will' comes into play at the time of demon posession. After you "give consent" to a demon, the demon has control over you.

FYI 2;
Scipture from the NT says, "Let EVERYTHING be done decently, and in order", refering to the operation of spiritual gifts. But not limited to spiritual gifts.

FYI 3;
When people say, "the Spirit has moved upon this person", or something to that effect, keep in mind, the Spirit doesn't posess you, He LEADS you and GUIDES you. To say the Spirit has 'taken over a person' who does things described in the OP, is simply not true.

FYI 4;
I think EMOTIONS could be behind the outburst. People react the same way at a secular concert. In fact, some people mistake "Holy Ghost goosebumps" with emotion. Goosebumps can be brought on from watching a movie...

FYI 5;
As stated earlier, God is a God of order. And when outbursts like this is displayed, the leadership is lacking, if it doesn't address it.

FYI 6;
Getting up and running, and worship are two different things.

 

[one11]

IMO;

FYI 1;
Our 'free will' comes into play at the time of demon posession. After you "give consent" to a demon, the demon has control over you.

FYI 2;
Scipture from the NT says, "Let EVERYTHING be done decently, and in order", refering to the operation of spiritual gifts. But not limited to spiritual gifts.

FYI 3;
When people say, "the Spirit has moved upon this person", or something to that effect, keep in mind, the Spirit doesn't posess you, He LEADS you and GUIDES you. To say the Spirit has 'taken over a person' who does things described in the OP, is simply not true.

FYI 4;
I think EMOTIONS could be behind the outburst. People react the same way at a secular concert. In fact, some people mistake "Holy Ghost goosebumps" with emotion. Goosebumps can be brought on from watching a movie...

FYI 5;
As stated earlier, God is a God of order. And when outbursts like this is displayed, the leadership is lacking, if it doesn't address it.

FYI 6;
Getting up and running, and worship are two different things.

FYI 2 scripture is?

 

[Orville]

I believe people who do this are either A) Acting out a part and seeking attention, or B) Mentally unstable.

 

[one11]

Paul was addressing certain churches at that time as there were many different Christian sects at the beginning of Christianity. It is best to use common sense in one's church and it is also common sense to chose a church where one feels comfortable. We don't follow the below for example any longer, though I don't see why not? Why shouldn't a woman cover her hair in some churches any longer? Paul was looking for "order" among former pagans, former idol worshipers to Messianic Jews and a lot of different sects in between, even ones who wanted to be celibate monk brotherhoods. We hardly have such disorderly services (as described in some scriptures) in non-denominational modern churches of today and NO one is getting drunk in service, not that I've ever seen.

1 Corinthians 11



Propriety in Worship

2I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings, just as I passed them on to you. 3Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. 7A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.
11In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God. 13Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. 16If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.
The Lord's Supper

17In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. 18In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God's approval. 20When you come together, it is not the Lord's Supper you eat, 21for as you eat, each of you goes ahead without waiting for anybody else. One remains hungry, another gets drunk. 22Don't you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you for this? Certainly not!