Getting people fired??

[mama2one]

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[Ken-1122]

Im confused as to why there is a movement where everytime someone does something that others dont like, people want them fired. Its not like they cant go get another job…. So why do it??
For me personally, i didnt understand the cigna nurse who got fired for supposedly laughing at that student talking about his grandmother dying. What did her firing achieve??

Unfortunately because it works. It's like; if you say something I don't like, and I hate you for saying it, I will hurt you any way I can, to include trying to get you fired for saying what I don't like. Unfortunately this has become acceptable in today's society

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Unfortunately because it works. It's like; if you say something I don't like, and I hate you for saying it, I will hurt you any way I can, to include trying to get you fired for saying what I don't like. Unfortunately this has become acceptable in today's society

i assume once this starts to affect those who thought it was ok, then we’ll see change.

 

[DamianWarS]

Im confused as to why there is a movement where everytime someone does something that others dont like, people want them fired. Its not like they cant go get another job…. So why do it??
For me personally, i didnt understand the cigna nurse who got fired for supposedly laughing at that student talking about his grandmother dying. What did her firing achieve??

Nurses shouldn't be laughing at someone else's medical misfortune while acting as a nurse. of course, it's case by case, and there are always anecdotal examples but broadly speaking there are consequences for people's actions and if an individual's job is valued so much then they shouldn't find themselves in firable circumstances. ie. they shouldn't be laughing about someone's grandmother dying. if they can't control themselves they are in the wrong line of work.

 

[variant]

1. what was inappropriate??
2. So this means that anytime anyone does ANYTHING out of societal norms, they should face repercussions??
3. I suppose just letting people have their own thoughts is out of the question. All should follow 1 guideline, even by force if necessary. Thats what you’re saying it sounds like…

The internet has the byproduct of showing people being jerks sometimes.

So, it also has the byproduct of showing them being jerks while their employers are watching.

Are you then arguing that people shouldn't be reacting to the info?

Yeah, stop being a jerk in public, and you won't face any repercussions. Which is the way it has always been. I'm not arguing for anything, things are proceeding normally.

 

[Strathos]

Businesses have the right to fire their employees for any reason except a few that are specifically laid out in law.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Im confused as to why there is a movement Its not like they cant go get another job…. So why do it??
For me personally, i didnt understand the cigna nurse who got fired for supposedly laughing at that student talking about his grandmother dying. What did her firing achieve??

I'm confused as to how one single story translates to "a movement where everytime someone does something that others dont like, people want them fired."

For one thing - it has always been the case that when someone does something other people don't like it's common for someone or another to want that person fired. That's nothing new.

For another - despite people wanting someone fired or not, employers have always felt free to exercise their right to fire anyone that they think will negatively impact their business. If you are against that then you should be for more labor laws and favor more unions and contracts for labor as opposed to "at-will" employment (or "right to work").

So is that the real complaint you have - that employers are permitted too much discretion in who they fire? It sounds like that is your actual complaint, that you are agains "right to work" laws.

And that's not to mention that this nurse, if she has a case, can take that employer to court for wrongful termination; but she doesn't have a case, which should tell you something.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Why does it feel like there's an agenda going on, and that we don't have the whole story?

Doesn't feel that way to me. To me, it looks like what has always happened when an employer doesn't approve of their employee's out-of-work actions if they feel it hurts business. HR departments regularly provide required training to employees letting them know about this, also, so it's not like the employees don't know. But then again, I'm not one prone to conspiracy theories.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I think you’ve misunderstood, im not against right to work laws. I support then actually. What i dont understand is person A does something that person B doesnt like. So person B says lets find out where they work, and get them fired. This isnt about the person getting fired so much as it is someone being offended and the only thing they can think of is to get that person fired.
I get why the company fired the nurse, it had nothing to do with what she did. It was because of the social media implications that made them look bad as a result of being the ladys boss.
Im retired… it was never like this in my day. But social media wasnt around back then. It was the newspaper back then.

 

[RDKirk]

I think you’ve misunderstood, im not against right to work laws. I support then actually. What i dont understand is person A does something that person B doesnt like. So person B says lets find out where they work, and get them fired. This isnt about the person getting fired so much as it is someone being offended and the only thing they can think of is to get that person fired.
I get why the company fired the nurse, it had nothing to do with what she did. It was because of the social media implications that made them look bad as a result of being the ladys boss.

Im retired… it was never like this in my day. But social media wasnt around back then. It was the newspaper back then.

I'm also retired. Yes it was like that in our day and even earlier. Even a hundred years ago, let some gossip get started about the schoolteacher having been seen in the company of a man, and she'd have been fired on the spot.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

I think you’ve misunderstood, im not against right to work laws. I support then actually.

Maybe you don't realize it but it sounds like you are against them.

What i dont understand is person A does something that person B doesnt like. So person B says lets find out where they work, and get them fired.

In your story about the nurse, do you have evidence that person B (the kid) did that? I don't think you do. I think this is a part you are fabricating in your mind

This isnt about the person getting fired so much as it is someone being offended and the only thing they can think of is to get that person fired.

No, I think it's about the person being fired. For one, you haven't proven that "person B" attempted to get that person fired.

But people often complain about an employee's behavior without the intent of getting them fired and it can still result in termination of employment. So what's your basis that the goal of the complainant is to get a person fired?

I get why the company fired the nurse, it had nothing to do with what she did. It was because of the social media implications that made them look bad as a result of being the ladys boss.

If it had nothing to do with what she did then why did you bring up what she did? You're equivocating.

Im retired… it was never like this in my day. But social media wasnt around back then. It was the newspaper back then.

It was always like this, even in your day. Social media has just made it easier for employers to see and prove what their employees did.

Before I was born, in the 1960s, my dad had a co-worker who made comments to a newspaper journalist that embarrassed the company and got fired for it. It's nothing new at all - only the form of media is new, it's on a screen now instead of on a piece of paper.

 

[ripple the car]

It is one of the vulnerabilities of "at-will" employment.
(And it is a good reason to remain anonymous on-line.

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Yep. The sheer amount of damage people can unleash on your professional life through your social media posts is pretty amazing. I’m used to people getting fired for sexual harassment, keying a co-worker’s car, calling in too many times, etc. Getting into a fist fight in the parking lot. That kind of stuff. Now, your on-line content can get you fired. It’s pretty weird.

 

[Sabertooth]

I’m used to people getting fired for sexual harassment, keying a co-worker’s car, calling in too many times, etc. Getting into a fist fight in the parking lot. That kind of stuff.

That sounds like a pretty intense workplace...!

 

[ripple the car]

That sounds like a pretty intense workplace...!

McDonald’s.

 

[Sparagmos]

i assume once this starts to affect those who thought it was ok, then we’ll see change.

You’re acting like this is something new. This woman was in public and acted in a way that offended people in her community. I can assure you that 200 years ago what people did in public also had social consequences. The consequences , in fact, were far worse.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I'm also retired. Yes it was like that in our day and even earlier. Even a hundred years ago, let some gossip get started about the schoolteacher having been seen in the company of a man, and she'd have been fired on the spot.

Yeah... That's one of the reasons we have unions now.

 

[Landon Caeli]

You’re acting like this is something new. This woman was in public and acted in a way that offended people in her community. I can assure you that 200 years ago what people did in public also had social consequences. The consequences , in fact, were far worse.

Times have changed since 200 years ago. We've developed human, civil, and workers rights since then, ended slavery, etc.

 

[Sabertooth]

We've developed human, civil, and workers rights since then,...

Legally, yes, but not necessarily socially.
That one can get so "cancelled," means that "free" speech still does not exist in practice.
But for better or worse, society is what it is.

 

[RDKirk]

Legally, yes, but not necessarily socially.
That one can get so "cancelled," means that "free" speech still does not exist in practice.
But for better or worse, society is what it is.

"Free speech" never meant there would not be social consequences, only no civil consequences. You are free to speak your mind; your boss is free to fire you for it.

 

[Sabertooth]

"Free speech" never meant there would not be social consequences, only no civil consequences. You are free to speak your mind; your boss is free to fire you for it.

You are even free-er, if you do so anonymously...