Getting a Gun

[GenemZ]

Jesus also said: "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. Matthew 26:52

Note what Jesus did not say....

Jesus did not tell Peter... "Get rid of it and throw it away!" .... no.... Jesus told Peter to put it back in its sheath and keep it.

Those who live by the sword? Criminals.

Peter was acting like a criminal when he broke the law. Jesus was warning Peter to stop acting like a criminal. For Peter was attacking and assaulting and officer of the law, being the equivalent of someone today shooting at a police officer.

 

[GenemZ]

I'm on the side of less death by gunshot.

I am for less death by car crash.

 

[Job3315]

Note what Jesus did not say....

Jesus did not tell Peter... "Get rid of it and throw it away!" .... no.... Jesus told Peter to put it back in its sheath and keep it.

Those who live by the sword? Criminals.

Peter was acting like a criminal when he broke the law. Jesus was warning Peter to stop acting like a criminal. For Peter was attacking and assaulting and officer of the law, being the equivalent of someone shooting at a police officer today.

And please note I am not arguing if we should keep or not keep guns. My advice was clear; to ask God if he needs to have one. To ask for God's advice.

 

[GenemZ]

And please note I am not arguing if we should keep or not keep guns. My advice was clear; to ask God if he needs to have one. To ask for God's advice.

Better yet... ask God for Scripture that tells one if he wants a man's house secure, and what he should do about it.

Like this passage...


"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house,
his possessions are safe." Lk 11:21

How much more precious would his family's lives be?

That passage only speaks of ones possessions. God sees private property as a sacred right in His sight.

The Lord also tells us that people should not steal, nor covet his neighbor's possessions.

God puts a lot more value on one having possessions honestly acquired, than some have on the life of a fetus these days.

 

[GenemZ]

We've had enough children get smoked in their classroom and the daily death toll armed gangs perpetrate. Every one of the gang bangers guns started off as a legit purchase from a straw buyer or someone who had a gun stolen from poor storage.

We always had lots of guns before crime in the schools became prevalent. I was going to school during that sane and safe culture era.

When did these gangs and gun shootings in schools happen? Well, for one thing. After prayer in school was banned. After any Bible verses in sight in the classroom was banned. God consciousness was kicked out of the public schools.

Coincidence?

Many people owned guns back before the schools lost the ability to utilize true authority. Guns were viewed with respect, and seen as a healthy, manly hobby. Though girls were known to be sharp shooters, too. Who even uses the word "manly" anymore?

Today we are being both dumbed down and wimped down by an elitist agenda. One that wants to take over nations without even firing a shot.

 

[Introverted1293]

Guns, guns, guns.

Awful....

Yeah, maybe it is awful. I just get scared sometimes.

 

[Introverted1293]

@Introverted1293

Ultimately it comes down to whether or not you want to truly follow what the New Testament says vs. what you desire to do. I will stick with what Scripture says and not what men say or do.

No, I don't want to simply live by my desire. But unfortunately I do because I live by how I feel.

 

[Job3315]

Better yet... ask God for Scripture that tells one if he wants a man's house secure, and what he should do about it.

Like this passage...


"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house,
his possessions are safe." Lk 11:21

How much more precious would his family's lives be?

That passage only speaks of ones possessions. God sees private property as a sacred right in His sight.

The Lord also tells us that people should not steal, nor covet his neighbor's possessions.

God puts a lot more value on one having possessions honestly acquired, than some have on the life of a fetus these days.

If God doesn't protect you, then you are protecting yourself and your possessions in vain. Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it; Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman stays awake in vain. Psalms‬ ‭127:1‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

I constantly keep in mind that where I live doesn't protect me from a storm, He does. You can see all over scripture God advising people what to do, where to go and what to say. If He advices me to protect myself a certain way, I obey. I rely on His counsel. God is a previous God, He knows our lives and our needs. If I were to need a gun, He will prepare me to have one, but He hasn't spoken to me about it, but He led me to learn about other things which have been pivotal in my life.

Also, please note, Jesus said: But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Matthew 5:39-41

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28

I believe there's a place for guns in society and God allows them. I just wasn't called to own one. May be you did? Again, I am not against it, I just decide to live according to what He is saying to me.

 

[rturner76]

I am for less death by car crash.

I'm sure it will be much easier to walk or ride your bike anyway.

 

[GenemZ]

No, I don't want to simply live by my desire. But unfortunately I do because I live by how I feel.

The shrewd hunter will always trap the man who lives by his feelings....

We must learn to be filled by the Spirit and build an arsenal of Bible doctrines and teachings in general that we can have our minds transformed by.

For our feelings can be used to trap us like an animal if the one hunting us is cruel and calloused enough.

We must learn to think with a new mind. The Mind of Christ.

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isa 55:8-9​

Our feelings can easily be used to fool us when needing an answer that we can not come up within our own natural resources. When under demon influenced attack.

Our feelings will eventually end up getting us trapped if we are being confronted by what demands God's thinking to OVERCOME evil.

There is a way that seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death." Prov 14:12


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[Introverted1293]

Honestly? Self protection is one of the weakest arguments to owning a gun because you do not need a gun to protect yourself and your family. What ever happened to trusting God? God will protect and take care of your family you do not need to prolong the problem of gun violence just because you dont think God has you covered IMO.. Can't people just admit that they like to shoot things? I did when I owned a BB gun as a teenager. It was fun to shoot at those America Online CDS (the only thing they were good for besides coasters) and to spend time with my dad and Grandfather. Now you wont even catch me near a gun. They're just dangerous tools of destruction.

Well, I have no desire to shoot anyone. I have never been interested in guns personally, I am simply interested in self-defense, and guns have been brought to my attention by conservatives.

But I can't prove to you my motivations. So, if you feel that my motivation is to just shoot things, well there is nothing I can do about that. Yes, I understand that you were being blunt. But you were incorrect in your judgments towards me.

As for trusting God, I have already admitted that I don't know what people mean by trusting in God. Do we remain passive when an intruder enters our home and just pray? Let me give another example or a different one, if I live in an area that has tornadoes, do I not buy a tornado shelter and put it underground, or do I simply trust God when a tornado comes by praying? Christians talk a lot about trusting God, but I don't know what that means.

BUT I AM HAVING SOME RESERVATIONS

 

[GenemZ]

I'm sure it will be much easier to walk or ride your bike anyway.

Right... going twenty miles every day to work.

Those who win don't ride a Schwinn.

 

[Introverted1293]

Protecting loved ones and oneself is not the same as protecting loved ones and oneself with deadly force. If one is ok with using deadly force to protect others, they should be ok with it to protect oneself as well.

If these people are using the fact that you are alone as a reason to moreso be against guns.....for you would have even less reason to entertain a gun than those with families.....this is a little more understandable.

Some trust in Guns...
"7 Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the Lord our God.
8 They are brought down and fallen: but we are risen, and stand upright."

If you live by the sword you will die by the sword.

"God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
2 Therefore will not we fear, "

"The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident."

Will your confidence be in the gun....?

It is an uncertain path travelled for one to decide, that they must now put their trust in man and the works of man, and no longer in God.

The children of Israel too, foresoke the many miracle they beheld via the works of God, to go after objects made by hands to worship and put their trust in..... and time and time again, they fell into greater and greater misfortune.

You too have every right to choose whom or what you desire to put your trust in. And I would find no fault in whatever you choose.

yet as for me and my house....we shall serve and fear the Lord.

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Thank you @RaymondG

My fear is that God may find fault on who I put my trust in. But thank you for all of those verses.

 

[Introverted1293]

Many Christians will just give you advice on what they feel is right or correct on this topic. For them: they are not looking to the Bible on this topic, but they are going by their experience instead. Sure, they may throw a verse or two at you out of context, but the New Testament (or New Covenant) actually teaches Non Resistance. If you don't believe me, just check out the verses in the Bible within my thread here:

Nonresistance as Taught in the New Testament is Moral and Good.

Wow

It took a while, but I read through them. Thank you

 

[rturner76]

We always had lots of guns before crime in the schools became prevalent. I was going to school during that sane and safe culture era.

When did these gangs and gun shootings in schools happen? Well, for one thing. After prayer in school was banned. After any Bible verses in sight in the classroom was banned. God consciousness was kicked out of the public schools.

Coincidence?

Many people owned guns back before the schools lost the ability to utilize true authority. Guns were viewed with respect, and seen as a healthy, manly hobby. Though girls were known to be sharp shooters, too. Who even uses the word "manly" anymore?

Today we are being both dumbed down and wimped down by an elitist agenda. One that wants to take over nations without even firing a shot.

Elitest, as in more educated people don't see the need to arm every citizen of a republic? Non-elitest, like many men who's actions speak louder than words? You know, real tuff people who need to carry an instrument of death in their pocket because they need to take someone's life in order to protect themselves.

Non-lethal (or not usually lethal) weapons stop people with beanbag rounds and rubber bullets, the kinetic energy immobilized the most massive of men. Why does our attacker need to die? Should not a Christian seek any means possible in order to not take a life? Or are they judged and condemned by their actions?

 

[Introverted1293]

Apparently your friends are not familiar with the phrase "when seconds count, police are minutes away". They've obviously never been in a dangerous situation before. When a bad person enters your house at night to come for your wife or kids, you think your baseball bat or calling 911 will be sufficient against an armed intruder?

No, that is my biggest fear.

But I don't want to meet God face to face and realize (if I did do wrong) that I was wrong. I did not expect all these different responses honestly.

 

[GenemZ]

If God doesn't protect you, then you are protecting yourself and your possessions in vain. Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it; Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman stays awake in vain. Psalms‬ ‭127:1‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

I constantly keep in mind that where I live doesn't protect me from a storm, He does. You can see all over scripture God advising people what to do, where to go and what to say. If He advices me to protect myself a certain way, I obey. I rely on His counsel. God is a previous God, He knows our lives and our needs. If I were to need a gun, He will prepare me to have one, but He hasn't spoken to me about it, but He led me to learn about other things which have been pivotal in my life.

Also, please note, Jesus said: But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Matthew 5:39-41

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28

I believe there's a place for guns in society and God allows them. I just wasn't called to own one. May be you did? Again, I am not against it, I just decide to live according to what He is saying to me.

“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down.
For it is written:

“He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.”

Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord
your God to the test.” Mat 4:6-7

Satan gave the same kind of verses about how God is to protect us. And, what did Jesus tell him?

Keep in mind. Presumption is a sin.

If we have a choice? We are to make one. When we have no choice? God will protect if we are walking to please God. When given the option? If we choose for self defense? Then it will be like the Lord commanding Israel into battle, saying that He will be in them in defeating the enemy. Yet? The Lord still had them take up arms to go into battle.

You're not in the Millennium yet.

 

[Introverted1293]

Thank you everyone.

 

[Job3315]

“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down.
For it is written:

“He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.”

Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord
your God to the test.” Mat 4:6-7

Satan gave the same kind of verses about how God is to protect us. And, what did Jesus tell him?

Keep in mind. Presumption is a sin.

If we have a choice? We are to make one. When we have no choice? God will protect if we are walking to please God. When given the option? If we choose for self defense? Then it will be like the Lord commanding Israel into battle, saying that He will be in them in defeating the enemy. Yet? The Lord still had them take up arms to go into battle.

You're not in the Millennium yet.

Who says I am assuming? I actually believe assumption is the mother of all failures.

I am not assuming, I just decided to learn to hear God and obey. I will just continue repeating the same thing, so I will leave the conversation.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Wow

It took a while, but I read through them. Thank you

You are most welcome.
I hope that what I said was helpful in guiding into knowing the truth on the matter, brother.

Blessings be unto in the Lord.