Getting a Gun

[coffee4u]

Keep in mind... Demon possession appears evident with mass shooters.
"They are mentally ill." That's what we are told. Satan controls them.

Satan has created an illusion of... "gun control works." Because he wants free nations to disarm themselves.

"....in order that Satan might not outwit us.
For we are not unaware of his schemes." 2 Cor 2:11​

If one does not know Bible doctrine sufficiently, as one should mature into? We will be oblivious to evil's ways when we are having the wool pulled over our eyes.

Wishing you love.....

So your argument is, let's give the demon possed easy access to guns?

 

[rturner76]

So your argument is, let's give the demon possed easy access to guns?

That's what I was thinking, so mass shootings are done by the devil yet we should make it easier to obtain the tools required to complete mass shootings.

 

[Darkhorse]

Getting back on topic, the OP may find this thread useful:

Firearm Suggestions for 1st Time Owners

 

[Fidelibus]

20 years and no mass shootings, that speaks for itself.

Really? Guessed you missed this one. Here's the headline from the left leaning anti Second Amendment New York Times:

Shooting in Sydney Raises Questions About Gun Control

By Damien Cave
Oct. 2, 2019

SYDNEY, Australia — A gunman was shot dead by the police on Wednesday after an hourlong shooting spree across western Sydney that targeted a home and two police stations.

The police said the man, firing a shotgun in the middle of a busy suburb, wounded several officers, including one who suffered a head injury.

The shooting comes at a time of rising concern among gun control advocates in Australia who have been arguing for years that the country’s strict gun laws — passed after a mass shooting in 1996 — have been weakened over time by a small but powerful gun lobby.

Gun ownership has increased over the past 20 years, with roughly 3.2 million firearms in circulation, according to gunpolicy.org, and recent reports have shown that gun owners now have more guns — about 3.9 guns each compared with 2.1 guns in 1997.
Indiscriminate gun violence, while still rare, seems to be re-emerging across the country.

In June, a gunman shot and killed four people in the northern city of Darwin. And last year, seven people, including four children, were found dead from gunshot wounds. It was the country’s worst mass shooting in more than 20 years.

New South Wales, the state that includes Sydney, is often described as Australia’s least restrictive jurisdiction when it comes to protection from guns because it allows the use of silencers, has removed a requirement that people provide a reason for owning extra firearms and does not limit ammunition purchases.


Unfortunately, this criminal could care less about your country's strict gun control policy. When you take guns away from law abiding citizens, only outlaws will have guns.

Molon Labe!

From my cold, dead hands!

NRA!

 

[GenemZ]

So your argument is, let's give the demon possed easy access to guns?

That's not my argument.

As a rule, demon possessed mass shooters pick "gun free zones."

Its brought about by the inability to access guns.

Satan controls his demons and is the master of creating images as to enter people into delusional sense of false safety.

 

[rturner76]

That's not my argument.

As a rule, demon possessed mass shooters pick "gun free zones."

Its brought about by the inability to access guns.

Satan controls his demons and is the master of creating images as to enter people into delusional norms.

So we're going back to demon possession instead of mental illness or personality disorders? I guess antipsychotics and mood stabilizers slay many demons.

Whether they are possessed or sick, either way, they buy guns or take a family member's off to the races.

Did you say something like "mass shootings happen because of a lack of access to guns? Do you realize what you're saying? Would it not be more accurate to say mass shootings happen because the wrong person gets ahold of a high powered weapon, especially on the wrong day?

 

[GenemZ]

So we're going back to demon possession instead of mental illness or personality disorders? I guess antipsychotics and mood stabilizers slay many demons.

Are you claiming that demon possession is only fiction from God's Word?

Your trust in drugs is quite over estimated. Some claimed the mass shooters were driven to kill because of taking anti-psychotic drugs. Others to suicide. Both can occur with demon possession.

Medication-Induced Violence | Do Drugs Play a Role in Mass Shootings?

'Antipsychotic drugs made me want to kill myself'

Not all mental illness is mental illness.

 

[GenemZ]

races.

Did you say something like "mass shootings happen because of a lack of access to guns?

Obviously you do not bother to gather the facts. The mass murderer in Colorado who killed people in a movie theater needed to travel farther from his home to find a theater that was a gun-free zone. He avoided the theaters closer to where he lived that allowed the carrying of concealed weapons.

Wake up call, please.

Editor, Bring your gun to church. Bring your gun to the movie theater. Teachers, take your gun to school. Don’t leave home without it.

When are people going to learn that gun-free zones are really kill zones? It’s like hanging a sign out front that says, “Hey, crazy person. We’re sitting ducks.”

Most mass shootings have occurred in gun-free zones — Century Movie Theater in Aurora, Colorado; Columbine; Fort Hood; Oak Creek (Sikh Temple); Sandy Hook Elementary; Virginia Tech; Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina; and many more.

An actual mass murderer could care less about the gun-free rule. And, what’s more, he will gravitate to such venues for his massacre because he knows that’s where he’s likely to encounter the least resistance, with no one shooting back.​

More here, please.
Gun-free zones invite mass shootings

 

[rturner76]

Obviously you do not bother to gather the facts. The mass murderer in Colorado who killed people in a movie theater needed to travel farther from his home to find a theater that was a gun-free zone. He avoided the theaters closer to where he lived that allowed the carrying of concealed weapons.

Wake up call, please.

Editor, Bring your gun to church. Bring your gun to the movie theater. Teachers, take your gun to school. Don’t leave home without it.

When are people going to learn that gun-free zones are really kill zones? It’s like hanging a sign out front that says, “Hey, crazy person. We’re sitting ducks.”

Most mass shootings have occurred in gun-free zones — Century Movie Theater in Aurora, Colorado; Columbine; Fort Hood; Oak Creek (Sikh Temple); Sandy Hook Elementary; Virginia Tech; Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina; and many more.

An actual mass murderer could care less about the gun-free rule. And, what’s more, he will gravitate to such venues for his massacre because he knows that’s where he’s likely to encounter the least resistance, with no one shooting back.​

More here, please.
Gun-free zones invite mass shootings

Why would that even matter if gun owners are not responsible enough to keep their assault rifles out of their psycho kid's hands? If so many off-kilter people didn't have guns in their heads they can't shoot them. How is that illogical? Less guns=less death worldwide so there's that too. Let a teacher forget to lock his desk and half a dozen kids get shot. If it happens in homes on a daily basis it would happen in schools too. A group of kids could tackle a teacher and take his gun, especially in highschool. More guns in the hands of kids again.

 

[rturner76]

Are you claiming that demon possession is only fiction from God's Word?

Your trust in drugs is quite over estimated. Some claimed the mass shooters were driven to kill because of taking anti-psychotic drugs. Others to suicide. Both can occur with demon possession.

Medication-Induced Violence | Do Drugs Play a Role in Mass Shootings?

'Antipsychotic drugs made me want to kill myself'

Not all mental illness is mental illness.

The Catholic Church sends people all over the world verifying these things it's been described as at the most 99% are mental illness and behavior disorder. That's after medical and spiritual testing in a 2000-year-old tradition, Mist times they can be medicated,

Having said that. I do believe it's possible for a demon to take over your body when it has been given over to alcohol like blackouts and a completely different person emerges until they sober up and some never do. THat's why they called it spirits. So I'm not denying demon possession outright.

I do think there are some elements in ancient times that was thought to be possession like schizophrenia and epilepsy etc.

 

[coffee4u]

Really? Guessed you missed this one. Here's the headline from the left leaning anti Second Amendment New York Times:

Shooting in Sydney Raises Questions About Gun Control

By Damien Cave
Oct. 2, 2019

SYDNEY, Australia — A gunman was shot dead by the police on Wednesday after an hourlong shooting spree across western Sydney that targeted a home and two police stations.

The police said the man, firing a shotgun in the middle of a busy suburb, wounded several officers, including one who suffered a head injury.

The shooting comes at a time of rising concern among gun control advocates in Australia who have been arguing for years that the country’s strict gun laws — passed after a mass shooting in 1996 — have been weakened over time by a small but powerful gun lobby.

Gun ownership has increased over the past 20 years, with roughly 3.2 million firearms in circulation, according to gunpolicy.org, and recent reports have shown that gun owners now have more guns — about 3.9 guns each compared with 2.1 guns in 1997.
Indiscriminate gun violence, while still rare, seems to be re-emerging across the country.

In June, a gunman shot and killed four people in the northern city of Darwin. And last year, seven people, including four children, were found dead from gunshot wounds. It was the country’s worst mass shooting in more than 20 years.

New South Wales, the state that includes Sydney, is often described as Australia’s least restrictive jurisdiction when it comes to protection from guns because it allows the use of silencers, has removed a requirement that people provide a reason for owning extra firearms and does not limit ammunition purchases.


Unfortunately, this criminal could care less about your country's strict gun control policy. When you take guns away from law abiding citizens, only outlaws will have guns.

Molon Labe!

From my cold, dead hands!

NRA!

Then it needs looking into and something done, but handing out guns to everyone isn't the answer.

 

[Fidelibus]

Then it needs looking into and something done, but handing out guns to everyone isn't the answer.

Everyone here in the United States are not handed a gun like candy at a parade as you will see by reading the following:

"Under federal law supported by the National Rifle Association, the use of a firearm in a violent or drug-trafficking crime is punishable by a mandatory prison sentence of up to 20 years. A second conviction, if the firearm is a machine gun or is equipped with a silencer, brings life imprisonment without release. Violating firearms laws should lead to very real punishment for violent criminals, but the laws first must be enforced.

Ineligible Persons

The following classes of people are ineligible to possess, receive, ship, or transport firearms or ammunition:

Those convicted of crimes punishable by imprisonment for over one year, except state misdemeanors punishable by two years or less.
Fugitives from justice.
Unlawful users of certain depressant, narcotic, or stimulant drugs.
Those adjudicated as mental defectives or incompetents or those committed to any mental institution.
Illegal aliens.
Citizens who have renounced their citizenship.
Those persons dishonorably discharged from the Armed Forces.
Persons less than 18 years of age for the purchase of a shotgun or rifle.
Persons less than 21 years of age for the purchase of a firearm that is other than a shotgun or rifle.
Persons subject to a court order that restrains such persons from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner.
Persons convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
Persons under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for more than one year are ineligible to receive, transport, or ship any firearm or ammunition. Under limited conditions, relief from disability may be obtained from the U.S. Secretary of the Treasury, or through a pardon, expungement, restoration of rights, or setting aside of a conviction.

Acquiring Firearms

The following restrictions apply to firearms acquired through purchase, trade, receipt of gifts, or by other means.

From Dealers

Provided that federal law and the laws of both the dealer`s and purchaser`s states and localities are complied with:

An individual 21 years of age or older may acquire a handgun from a dealer federally licensed to sell firearms in the individual`s state of residence
An individual 18 years of age or older may purchase a rifle or shotgun from a federally licensed dealer in any state
It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer to sell, deliver, or transfer a firearm unless the federal firearms licensee receives notice of approval from a prescribed source approving the transfer.

Sale of a firearm by a federally licensed dealer must be documented by a federal form 4473, which identifies and includes other information about the purchaser, and records the make, model, and serial number of the firearm. Sales to an individual of multiple handguns within a five-day period require dealer notification to the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Violations of dealer record keeping requirements are punishable by a penalty of up to $1000 and one year`s imprisonment.

Sales Between Individuals

An individual who does not possess a federal firearms license may not sell a firearm to a resident of another state without first transferring the firearm to a dealer in the purchaser`s state. Firearms received by bequest or intestate succession are exempt from those sections of the law which forbid the transfer, sale, delivery or transportation of firearms into a state other than the transferor`s state of residence.

Temporary use of Another`s Firearm

Provided that all other laws are complied with, an individual may temporarily borrow or rent a firearm for lawful sporting purposes throughout the United States.

Antiques

Antique firearms and replicas are exempted from the aforementioned restrictions. Antique firearms are defined as: any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898, and any replica of a firearm as designed above if the replica is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire ammunition, or uses fixed ammunition, which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels or commercial trade, any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. (Note: Antiques exemptions vary considerably under state laws.)

Shipping Firearms

Firearms may not be mailed or shipped interstate from one non-FFL to another non-FFL. Personally owned rifles and shotguns may be mailed or shipped to an FFL in any state for any lawful purpose, including sale, repair, or customizing. An FFL may ship a firearm or replacement firearm of the same kind and type to a person from whom it was received. Under U.S. Postal regulations, handguns may be sent via the Postal Service only from one FFL to another FFL, or between authorized government officials.

A person may ship a rifle or shotgun to himself, in care of a person who lives in another state, for purposes of hunting.

Firearms or ammunition delivered to a common carrier for shipment must be accompanied by a written notice to the carrier of the contents of the shipment.

Transporting Firearms During Travel

A provision of federal law serves as a defense to state or local laws which would prohibit the passage of persons with firearms in interstate travel.

Notwithstanding any state or local law, a person shall be entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm if the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

Federal law prohibits the carrying of any firearm, concealed or unconcealed, on or about the person or in carry-on baggage while aboard an aircraft.The Transportation Security Administration(TSA) has established certain requirements for transporting firearms and ammunition. Firearms must be carried in a locked hard sided case. Ammunition must be declared and can be transported in checked baggage or in the same container as the firearm as long the firearm is unloaded.

Any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce must deliver the unloaded firearm into custody of the pilot, captain, conductor, or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of the trip.

Ammunition

As with firearms, shipments of ammunition must be accompanied by a written notice of the shipment`s contents. It is unlawful for any licensed importer, dealer, manufacturer or collector to transfer shotgun or rifle ammunition to anyone under the age of 18, or any handgun ammunition to anyone under the age of 21.

It is illegal to manufacture or sell armor-piercing handgun ammunition.

Dealers

Persons who engage in the business of buying or selling firearms must be licensed by the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives of the U.S. Department of Justice. A special class of "licensed collectors" provides for the purchase and sale of firearms designated by the BATFE as "curios and relics." Class III dealers may sell fully-automatic firearms manufactured prior to May 19, 1986, and other federally registered firearms and devices restricted under Title II of the Gun Control Act, to individuals who obtain approval from the U.S. Secretary of the Treasury after payment of a tax and clearance following a criminal background check.

Violations of restrictions on Title II firearms and devices are punishable by a penalty of up to $10,000 and 10 years imprisonment."


For me to obtain my Concealed Handgun Licence in the State (CHL) I reside besides the laws above, I must complete an State/County approved gun safety class. (a full weekend) Apply in the County I reside. After a six month waiting period, have a face to face interview at my local Sheriff office. Get fingerprinted, and picture taken. Wait another month to recieve licence that has a four year expiration. After four years, I must return to my County Sherriff office in person to renew it.


Molon Labe!

 

[GenemZ]

Why would that even matter if gun owners are not responsible enough to keep their assault rifles out of their psycho kid's hands?

You act like it happens every day.... There is a "mass shooting every day!"

Once you get out of that state of mind., Maybe your panic mode will dissipate.

The media magnifies it way out of proportion. Why? Because there is a goal to disarm citizens, so the elitist can begin reigning over and oppressing men for Satan's kingdom. It would become a world of hyper-political correctness. Thought control.

"Not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from
us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that
the day of the Lord has already come. Don’t let anyone deceive you in any
way, for that day will not come until the great departure occurs and the man
of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose
and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so
that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these
things? And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be
revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is
already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do
so till he is taken out of the way." 2 Thes 2:2-7

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The Antichrist system exists and is at work right now! Its being restrained at present. We see it in things like Communism, Deep State, and Islamic tyranny.

It must await until the rapture of the Church before it can act with the full force that can not take place until the restraining effect of the Church has been removed from the earth. We will be in the Great Departure! It gets translated "apostasy" .. Yet it also means "departure."

Though he can not succeed Satan keeps trying anyway. For, he has nothing to lose except his place in the Lake of Fire. He is trying to find a way out. That's why he dupes the naive who are either ignorant of sound doctrine, or resent it because of the demonic pressure it brings upon them when sought for.

grace and truth ......

 

[GenemZ]

I do think there are some elements in ancient times that was thought to be possession like schizophrenia and epilepsy etc.

There is demon possession. There is also mental illness. But, there is demon possession that murders, and may very well use the mentally ill when so inclined.

This was not mental illness... Mark 5:1-20

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