Gentiles aren't now & never were,under Mosaic law

[Strong in Him]

Thus there are still many things in the Old Testament law that deals directly with science of how God created this world.

The Bible is not a Science textbook.
It does not tell us at all how God created the world.

 

[The Liturgist]

The Bible is not a Science textbook.
It does not tell us at all how God created the world.

That is true. However, the Bible is uniquely compatible with science as religious texts go. The creation story in Genesis 1, in addition to being a prophecy of the Passion and Resurrection of our Lord, also is fully compatible and indeed I would say an honest narrative of the creation of the Universe, if we understand day as referring to an epoch of arbitrary length.

The really interesting thing is that it gets the sequence of prehistoric events on Earth, and the evolution of life exactly right. To prove this, I shall outline what happens on each day:

1. “Let there be light” is the creation of the Universe, which we now know to have been the result of the Big Bang, which still exists in the form of photons (the quantum particles of light); specifically as microwave radiation, the Cosmic Microwave Radiation.
2. The firmament and separation of waters can be interpreted as referring to the formation of the planet, with elemental hydrogen, oxygen and carbom, and the formation of our watery atmosphere and surface.
3. The formation of discrete continents and oceans follows, and the soil becomes fertile Earth. Plant life emerges.
4. The only event that does not correspond to the scientific chronology is apparently the formation of the moon, the sun and the cosmos. However, before we write this off as an error, it is quite possible that in the carbon-rich atmosphere of the early earth, which one assumes is like that of Mars, rich in carbon dioxide, but whereas Mars most likely only ever had microbes, the Earth had increasingly abundant plant life. Venus is an example of a planet with an extreme greenhouse effect, and from the surface of Venus one could not see the stars, nor a moon if Venus had one, and the Sun is diffuse, like in clouds or heavy fog or haze on Earth, but infinitely moreso; so this epoch I believe refers to the atmosphere clearing up and becoming breathable due to plant life.
5. Animal life emerges, in the oceans, and then on land in the form of insects and birds - birds are the distant descendants of dinosaurs, and are much older than mammals, so this is again the precise sequence of events.
6. Mammalian life is the last major genus to appear, and ultimately this leads to human life. God sees to it that human life is in His image; since God the Father is boundless and unconstrained and has according to Orthodox theology, unseen (Isaiah beheld the Ancient of Days, which the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox insist was Jesus Christ, and this makes sense based on everything else we know about the Holy Trinity), and God the Holy Spirit can assume different physical appearances: the dove descending at the Baptism of our Lord is an explicit example, the tongues of fire on Pentecost another explicit example, and therefore created in the image of God must mean created in the image of God the Son. And lest someone object that the incarnation had yet to occur, John chapter 1 states that by the Word of God (Christ Jesus) all things were made; this includes time, and since time is a creature, God has dominion over it; God is also described in scripture as omnipotent, omniscient, eternal and unchanging, and all of this clearly shows that the Holy Trinity is in no respect constrained by the linear progression of time experienced by humans; indeed the concept of timeless eternity is incomprehensible to us. So, we were created in the image of the Son of God incarnate in the flesh.
7. God rested. This is where the connection to Pascha (Easter) occurs, because on the Fifth Day God gave us the means of everlasting life through the Eucharist, on the Sixth Day he remade man in His image through His Passion and death on the Holy Cross, which Christ transformed from an accursed, horrifying means of execution into a blessed and venerable icon of Life, and likewise, he recreated humanity; to quote Fr. John Behr of Oxford, formerly the Dean of St. Vladimir’s Seminary, God died on the cross to show us what it means to be Human, which Pontius Pilate (probably unwittingly) expresses when he declares “Ecce homo” (Behold the Man). On the Seventh Day, God rested in a tomb having recreated man, just as He rested having created man on the Seventh Day, and then the next day, which can be reckoned as both the First Day and as the mystical Eighth Day, God arose from the dead, trampling down death by death, freeing the souls trapped in Hades who wished to follow Him, and brought about a new Light, the Light of Everlasting Life, which we will encounter if we are blessed to experience (after the dreadful Day of Judgement) God recreating the Universe at the end of time, with the uncreated light of God illuminating us.

Christianity is the only religion whose primary account of Creation can be easily reconciled with Science, as shown above (the narrative of the creation of Adam and Eve in Genesis Chapter 2 can also be reconciled, but is more complex, and a different matter, but Genesis 1 is clearly the primary creation narrative, and its importance is emphasized by St. John the Apostle beginning his Gospel, which is the primary Christological reference in New Testament theology, according to the form and structure of the first chapter of Genesis, in what some people might call a riff, and others would call a variation, and which in Greek hymnography is called an irmos (meaning link).

And the fact that the creation narrative got the evolutionary sequence of plants to sea creatures to insects and creatures such as birds and lizards derived from dinosaurs, then mammals, and finally, human beings, in the correct order, is truly remarkable. The Jews of antiquity, and the early Christians, lacked the scientific knowledge to know how profoundly accurate Genesis 1 actually is, but they accepted it on faith. Some aspects were misunderstood, for example, the nature of celestial bodies and the Firmament as the word has historically been conceptualized, but the Faith of God’s Chosen People, which we now call Christianity, which was always open to all (the ancient Hebraic and Judaic religion accepted converts) is unique among the world’s religions in that it alone has always taught the truth about the creation of the world, in a manner that people with no scientific knowledge could understand.

Now, if we take a look at any other religion, such as Hinduism, or Shinto, or ancient Roman Paganism, or the indigenous religions of the Americas, or traditional Chinese religion (usually administered by the Taoists, but not Taoist per se), or even religions somewhat closely related to Christianity, such as Islam, or Mandaeism, or Yazidism, or Yarsanism, or Alevism/Bektasism, or Zoroastrianism, or the Mormon religion, or Scientology, their creation myths are absurd, in many cases laughable, and totally irreconcilable to science.

So while it is certainly true @Strong in Him that the Bible is not a science textbook, it is also true that the Sacred Scriptures from the time the Book of Genesis in its present form was completed, until the 20th century, was the only accurate account of how the Universe and Life came into existence. This is astonishing when one considers it; I regard Genesis 1 as a holy miracle, and as proof that Christianity is the True Faith. No other religion even came close to explaining the origin of life and the cosmos.

This also reinforces the idea contained in Psalm 95 v. 5 in the Septuagint (which corresponds to the weaker Psalms 96:5 in Old Testaments based on the Masoretic text), which states that the gods of the gentiles are demons (the Masoretic declares them to be idols, but we already know that, so clearly, the Septuagint has the correct reading in this case, as allusions to the demonic origin of every other religion are numerous in the Sacred Scriptures. And this is shown by the truth of Christianity and the blatant falsehood of the other religions (I suspect the demons know the truth, being fallen angels, and presumably knowing the contents of the Scriptures, but choose to tell inconsistent lies in order to spread discord and ensure deadly wars occur, which are in turn blamed on religion by militant atheists like the Soviet Union, who then oppress Christianity with more horrific violence.

 

[BrotherJJ]

Find 7 direct C&P Bible versions below that translators use the word OBSOLETE to describe the old Mosaic covenant
You can find more here: BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages.

Amplified Bible:
Heb 8:13 When God speaks of “A new covenant,” He makes the first one obsolete. And whatever is becoming obsolete (out of use, annulled) and growing old is ready to disappear.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE/ANNULLED!)

New American Standard Bible:
Heb 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is [m]about to disappear.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE!)

New International Version:
Heb 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE!)

Revised Geneva Translation:
Heb 8:13 In saying, “a New Testament”, He has rendered the first obsolete. Now that which has aged and grown old is ready to vanish.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE!)

Young's Literal Translation:
Heb 8:13 in the saying `new,' He hath made the first old, and what doth become obsolete and is old [is] nigh disappearing.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE!)

1599 Geneva Bible:
Heb 8:13 In that he saith a new Testament, he hath abrogated the old: now that which is disannulled and waxed old, is ready to vanish away.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT ABROGATED & ANNULLED!)

Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament:
Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 8 - Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE!)

ADDITIONALLY:
Acts 15:
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

(MY NOTE: NT Church leadership > the apostles & elders. Clearly state No NT believer was/is required to keep Mosaic law!)

Rom 4:15 (A) the law worketh wrath

Gal 3:19 It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made
(MY NOTE: Because of sin the law was added & in effect """UNTIL""" Christ/the promised seed should come)

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith
(MY NOTE: The law is a teacher who's purpose is to identify, expose & without mercy condemn sin. Leading us to justification, accessed thru faith. Placed in Jesus sin atoning death & resurrection)

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
(MY NOTE: The law via the prophets was preached """UNTIL""" the arrival of Jesus the Christ)

Fundamentally, Mosaic law is just, BUT, it can't justify anyone. The law is holy, BUT, can't make anyone holy. The law is righteous, BUT, can't make anyone righteous.

If the law can't make us holy, righteous or justified & condemns without mercy unto death. And was to be preached """UNTIL""" Christ's arrival.

Why, are some people tenaciously driven. To place NT believers under it's yoke of condemnation?

Rom 8:1 (A) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus. (Also see Rom 6:14) Shalom, JJ

 

[Davy]

The Bible is not a Science textbook.
It does not tell us at all how God created the world.

The only 'true'... science is the Truth. That's actually what the word 'science' means, from the French and Latin, i.e., scire 'to know'.

And TRUE SCIENCE will always... agree with God's Word and visa versa.

It is man's 'pseudo-science' that doesn't agree with God's Word, and tries to create it's own theories that cannot be proven. The theory of evolution of species is one of them.

 

[Strong in Him]

The only 'true'... science is the Truth. That's actually what the word 'science' means, from the French and Latin, i.e., scire 'to know'.

And TRUE SCIENCE will always... agree with God's Word and visa versa.

God's word doesn't teach us science; that is not its purpose.

It is man's 'pseudo-science' that doesn't agree with God's Word, and tries to create it's own theories that cannot be proven. The theory of evolution of species is one of them.

The Bible doesn't tell us HOW God created the world.
It was not written to tell us this; that is not its purpose.

 

[Strong in Him]

That is true. However, the Bible is uniquely compatible with science as religious texts go. The creation story in Genesis 1, in addition to being a prophecy of the Passion and Resurrection of our Lord, also is fully compatible and indeed I would say an honest narrative of the creation of the Universe, if we understand day as referring to an epoch of arbitrary length.

Sorry I forgot to reply to this.
Yes, I agree. I was just trying to say that the purpose of the Bible is to teach us about God; not biology, zoology, physics or anything else that explains the origin, and nature, of the universe.

The really interesting thing is that it gets the sequence of prehistoric events on Earth, and the evolution of life exactly right.

Yes, I've heard that too.

1. “Let there be light” is the creation of the Universe, which we now know to have been the result of the Big Bang, which still exists in the form of photons (the quantum particles of light); specifically as microwave radiation, the Cosmic Microwave Radiation.
2. The firmament and separation of waters can be interpreted as referring to the formation of the planet, with elemental hydrogen, oxygen and carbom, and the formation of our watery atmosphere and surface.
3. The formation of discrete continents and oceans follows, and the soil becomes fertile Earth. Plant life emerges.
4. The only event that does not correspond to the scientific chronology is apparently the formation of the moon, the sun and the cosmos. However, before we write this off as an error, it is quite possible that in the carbon-rich atmosphere of the early earth, which one assumes is like that of Mars, rich in carbon dioxide, but whereas Mars most likely only ever had microbes, the Earth had increasingly abundant plant life. Venus is an example of a planet with an extreme greenhouse effect, and from the surface of Venus one could not see the stars, nor a moon if Venus had one, and the Sun is diffuse, like in clouds or heavy fog or haze on Earth, but infinitely moreso; so this epoch I believe refers to the atmosphere clearing up and becoming breathable due to plant life.
5. Animal life emerges, in the oceans, and then on land in the form of insects and birds - birds are the distant descendants of dinosaurs, and are much older than mammals, so this is again the precise sequence of events.
6. Mammalian life is the last major genus to appear, and ultimately this leads to human life. God sees to it that human life is in His image; since God the Father is boundless and unconstrained and has according to Orthodox theology, unseen (Isaiah beheld the Ancient of Days, which the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox insist was Jesus Christ, and this makes sense based on everything else we know about the Holy Trinity), and God the Holy Spirit can assume different physical appearances: the dove descending at the Baptism of our Lord is an explicit example, the tongues of fire on Pentecost another explicit example, and therefore created in the image of God must mean created in the image of God the Son. And lest someone object that the incarnation had yet to occur, John chapter 1 states that by the Word of God (Christ Jesus) all things were made; this includes time, and since time is a creature, God has dominion over it; God is also described in scripture as omnipotent, omniscient, eternal and unchanging, and all of this clearly shows that the Holy Trinity is in no respect constrained by the linear progression of time experienced by humans; indeed the concept of timeless eternity is incomprehensible to us. So, we were created in the image of the Son of God incarnate in the flesh.
7. God rested. This is where the connection to Pascha (Easter) occurs, because on the Fifth Day God gave us the means of everlasting life through the Eucharist, on the Sixth Day he remade man in His image through His Passion and death on the Holy Cross, which Christ transformed from an accursed, horrifying means of execution into a blessed and venerable icon of Life, and likewise, he recreated humanity; to quote Fr. John Behr of Oxford, formerly the Dean of St. Vladimir’s Seminary, God died on the cross to show us what it means to be Human, which Pontius Pilate (probably unwittingly) expresses when he declares “Ecce homo” (Behold the Man). On the Seventh Day, God rested in a tomb having recreated man, just as He rested having created man on the Seventh Day, and then the next day, which can be reckoned as both the First Day and as the mystical Eighth Day, God arose from the dead, trampling down death by death, freeing the souls trapped in Hades who wished to follow Him, and brought about a new Light, the Light of Everlasting Life, which we will encounter if we are blessed to experience (after the dreadful Day of Judgement) God recreating the Universe at the end of time, with the uncreated light of God illuminating us.

Christianity is the only religion whose primary account of Creation can be easily reconciled with Science,

Really interesting; thank you.

 

[pescador]

Is anyone interested in discussing the OP subject??

 

[Davy]

The Bible is not a Science textbook.
It does not tell us at all how God created the world.

You're wrong about that. Only someone brainwashed with man's pseudo-science would think otherwise.

Hebrews 11:3 is 'scientific' proof that God created the worlds by His Word. It's because material matter did not create itself.

Heb 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
KJV

The above is scientific proof that the material universe did not create itself, because it follows a basic law of physics of thermodynamics that says matter can neither be created nor destroyed, but only change its state (liquid, solid, gas, vapor).

That is scientific proof of a different dimension of existence other than this material universe, and that the material universe was created from that other dimension. That other dimension is of Spirit, and like God's Word says, God is a Spirit (John 4:24).

So really, man's pseudo-science is actually very backward-thinking, because it has yet to really investigate the 'fact' that the material universe didn't create itself. Even their Big Bang theory is a material mystery to them because of their refusal to admit there exists another dimension of existence that isn't made up of material matter.

Thusly, like God said...

Rom 1:20
20 For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
KJV

 

[Davy]

God's word doesn't teach us science; that is not its purpose.

God's Word does... reveal true science. True science will always be about the Truth. So trying to say God's Word doesn't teach science is like saying it does not teach Truth.

It's man's religion that tries to replace God's Truth in His Word. God's Word is not about religion if that's what you've been taught. God's Word is about The Truth.

 

[Strong in Him]

You're wrong about that. Only someone brainwashed with man's pseudo-science would think otherwise.

Fine then; show me, from Scripture, how God created the universe.
Did he make animals fully formed and grown? Did trees instantly pop up? Did God make it look as though they were hundreds of years old?
How did he make Adam from dust and Eve from a rib? Were they created as adults/teenagers, so that when they had kids they had no idea of what it was like to be a child?
How did God decide to give fur to some animals and fins/feathers/wool to others?
Who made sand; God, or man? What about shells or seaweed?
Did God create atoms, particles and minerals, or were these present anyway?

I must have missed the verses that explain the process for creating these things?

Hebrews 11:3 is 'scientific' proof that God created the worlds by His Word.

Of course he created it by his word, but we don't know HOW.
When he spoke, did everything pop up instantly, fully grown and developed - or did saplings appear that grew into trees and seeds that grew into plants etc?

Heb 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
KJV

The above is scientific proof that the material universe did not create itself,

I never said that the universe created itself. Of course it didn't - God created it; that is the message of Genesis 1.
I said that the Bible is not a scientific textbook and does not explain HOW God created. That is not its purpose.

 

[pescador]

Fine then; show me, from Scripture, how God created the universe.
Did he make animals fully formed and grown? Did trees instantly pop up? Did God make it look as though they were hundreds of years old?
How did he make Adam from dust and Eve from a rib? Were they created as adults/teenagers, so that when they had kids they had no idea of what it was like to be a child?
How did God decide to give fur to some animals and fins/feathers/wool to others?
Who made sand; God, or man? What about shells or seaweed?
Did God create atoms, particles and minerals, or were these present anyway?

I must have missed the verses that explain the process for creating these things?



Of course he created it by his word, but we don't know HOW.
When he spoke, did everything pop up instantly, fully grown and developed - or did saplings appear that grew into trees and seeds that grew into plants etc?



I never said that the universe created itself. Of course it didn't - God created it; that is the message of Genesis 1.
I said that the Bible is not a scientific textbook and does not explain HOW God created. That is not its purpose.

I repeat, Is anyone (including you) interested in discussing the OP subject??

 

[Strong in Him]

God's Word does... reveal true science. True science will always be about the Truth. So trying to say God's Word doesn't teach science is like saying it does not teach Truth.

God's word reveals God, it does not teach science.
I cannot learn biology, zoology, botany, physics, astrophysics, chemistry etc from reading Scripture, and no scientist would recommend the Bible as being a book that teaches these things.
I know the Bible reasonably well; I know nothing about science.
If the Bible did teach science, there'd be a lot more scientists who believed.

 

[Davy]

Fine then; show me, from Scripture, how God created the universe.

Genesis 1, Jeremiah 4:23-28, Romans 8:18-25, and 2 Peter 3 reveals details about God's creating the material universe, and even about previous destructions upon this ancient earth, and even one destruction still to come, and new heavens and a new earth. It even explains the existence of the fossil record.

But of course one must first believe what God's Word says as 'fact', and not as fiction, before God will reveal those written Truths.

 

[Davy]

God's word reveals God, it does not teach science.

Yes, God's Word does... teach science.

The word 'science' is about a word describing the 'discovery'... of what God created. So it's idiotic to try and say God's Word is not about science also.

Anyone can do a simple reading in the Book of Job 38 forward of God describing His acts of creation and scientific facts He gives regarding it. Only fools would try and deny what God said to Job below...

Job 38
38 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 "Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou Me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
10 And brake up for it My decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11 And said, 'Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?'
12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?
21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?
24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?
35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?
36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?
37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,
38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?
39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,
40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?
41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.
KJV

 

[Strong in Him]

Yes, God's Word does... teach science.

The word 'science' is about a word describing the 'discovery'... of what God created. So it's idiotic to try and say God's Word is not about science also.

Sorry, but you're not listening.

GOD created the universe, full stop.
And God's word tells of the universe that he created - Genesis, Job and Psalms come to mind.

But it does not teach us HOW he did it, and it does not teach us chemistry, physics and how he created all biological processes.

Anyone can do a simple reading in the Book of Job 38 forward of God describing His acts of creation and scientific facts He gives regarding it. Only fools would try and deny what God said to Job below...

Job 38
38 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 "Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou Me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
10 And brake up for it My decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11 And said, 'Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?'
12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?
21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?
24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?
35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?
36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?
37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,
38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?
39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,
40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?
41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.
KJV

This reveals God the Creator, it doesn't describe God the scientist.
It reveals the wonders of his universe; it does not say HOW he made each plant, animal, insect, ocean etc etc. What processes did he use? HOW did his word produce feathers on birds and scales on fish? How did he decide how many legs to give each creature, what size to make them?
Did he create atoms and then put them together/manipulate them to produce what he wanted? What chemicals did he combine to make various things; how did he make a tree trunk solid, but the stem of a daisy, fragile?

God can create everything we can see from nothing, open the eyes of people who are blind, raise up worshippers from stones, cause donkeys to speak and many other miraculous things - but Scripture does not describe HOW he did those things.

 

[Strong in Him]

Genesis 1, Jeremiah 4:23-28, Romans 8:18-25, and 2 Peter 3 reveals details about God's creating the material universe,

Yes, I know.
THAT God created the universe isn't in question. I was asking for evidence of scientific processes; since you say that the Bible teaches science.

 

[Strong in Him]

I repeat, Is anyone (including you) interested in discussing the OP subject??

I agreed with the OP, and I answered a comment about the 10 commandments being for today.

I don't particularly want to argue the point; I have done that in other threads, and if folk really feel they have to keep all the OT food and hygiene laws, they are welcome to do so.

 

[Davy]

Yes, I know.
THAT God created the universe isn't in question. I was asking for evidence of scientific processes; since you say that the Bible teaches science.

No, you're asking to show God in His Word wearing a lab coat and playing around with test tubes and Bunsen burners instead of realizing the very mysteries of His creation that He outlined to Job in Job 38. All you're doing is making excuses for not recognizing scientific facts written in God's Word.

 

[Davy]

Job 26:10
10 He draws the horizon out over the ocean, sets a boundary between light and darkness.
(from THE MESSAGE: The Bible in Contemporary Language © 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson. All rights reserved.)

Here's another example from the Book of Job about scientific fact. This boundary described in Job 26:10 was only verified once it was seen at very high altitudes by high altitude jets or spacecraft.

 

[Strong in Him]

No, you're asking to show God in His Word wearing a lab coat and playing around with test tubes and Bunsen burners instead of realizing the very mysteries of His creation that He outlined to Job in Job 38. All you're doing is making excuses for not recognizing scientific facts written in God's Word.

No, I was answering your post in which you said;

Thus there are still many things in the Old Testament law that deals directly with science of how God created this world. It ain't all about religion.

The Bible reveals the God who created the universe and some of the wonders of that universe.
It is not a science textbook and does not tell us HOW he made his creation - clearly, because I have asked you to explain, from Scripture, HOW he did this, and you can't.

That was my only point; Scripture does not explain the HOW, nor the scientific processes behind it. If you think it does, and that was its purpose in being written; so be it.