Genesis One

[Acts2:38]

Obey Him? How can we obey Him? What are His commandments?

To obey the gospel.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 = Gospel (to everyone not just Jews)

Romans 6:3-5 = This is how you obey the gospel

This is what happens when you do not obey it = 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

These people obeyed the gospel:

1. Jesus' Baptism - Matthew 3:13-17
2. Day of Pentecost - Acts 2:22 and 36-47
3. Samaria - Acts 8:4-13
4. Ethiopian Eunuch - Acts 8:26-39
5. Paul(Saul) - Acts 9:1-20 and 22:6-16
6. Cornelius - Acts 101-48 and 11:1-18
7. Lydia - Acts 16:13-15
8. Many Corinthians - Acts 18:8
9. Philippians Jailer - Acts 16:27-34

It is done by water:
Acts 22
10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.

14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.

15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.

16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Acts 8
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ

Baptism is a command

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Matthew 28:18-20

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Too much evidence by scripture and not from me. You see it right there in the bible. Not my opinion at all.

 

[Acts2:38]

What if I give a one fingered salute to someone blowing his horn and don't have time to ask for forgiveness before another car runs me over? Does that mean I go to Hell? Jesus commands us to be perfect even as God is perfect. Mat 5:48 Are you perfect?

First of all, if one is a Christian, why would you do that? Willful sin is wrong Hebrews 10:26-27 and should you not repent and ask forgiveness with the help of your brethren, then according to the bible you would be standing in judgement of scripture, Christ, the Lord Almighty.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Yes, we all sin Romans 3:23, but we must repent of our sins which is why the Holy Spirit through John wrote:
1 John 1
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

And James
James 5
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.

18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.

19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

And Galatians 6 to restore those who falter

1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

God does not hear the prayers of those who do evil, this includes Christians who should willfully sin

Psalm 34:14-16
1 Peter 3:12

Hence another reason for James 5:16 and Galatians 6:1

Edit: And lets not forget Matthew 18:15-17

 

[Hank77]

Just to put a spanner in your theology.
Please explain how long it will take God to change those alive when Jesus returns.
The bible says that we will be changed, in an instant.
The bible also says that God took 6 periods of 24 hours to creat everything, so how many million years will the instant take?

Or are your theoris all wrong?

I found this helpful.

 

[Hank77]

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Did you ever look up the definition of willfully, in that verse, in the Greek. You may be surprised as to what it says.

 

[Acts2:38]

Did you ever look up the definition of willfully, in that verse, in the Greek. You may be surprised as to what it says.

Yup....

hekousiōs - "voluntarily:—wilfully, willingly" (from both Strongs and Thayers)

No surprise here. Means exactly how you read it. What did you think it means?

Edit:
So look at Amans previous scenario I responded to with that.

If I were a Christian, I would obviously know from study of scripture that giving someone the "one finger salute" would be wrong and against scriptural teaching. Therefore it would be sin. Therefore I would be willfully sinning (hekousios- voluntarily; willfully). Ties in with James 4:17.

Colossians 3:8
Ephesians 4:31

 

[Aman777]

If I were a Christian, I would obviously know from study of scripture that giving someone the "one finger salute" would be wrong and against scriptural teaching. Therefore it would be sin. Therefore I would be willfully sinning (hekousios- voluntarily; willfully). Ties in with James 4:17.

My point was that your church teaches that you would go to Hell if you couldn't ask for forgiveness before you died. Campbellites don't seem to know that it's up to Jesus to bring a new Christian home. Eph 2:10 That's WHY it's a religion instead of Christianity, IMHO.

 

[Acts2:38]

My point was that your church teaches that you would go to Hell if you couldn't ask for forgiveness before you died. Campbellites don't seem to know that it's up to Jesus to bring a new Christian home. Eph 2:10 That's WHY it's a religion instead of Christianity, IMHO.

I don't know why you keep saying Campbellites. I gave you evidence that Christs church was around long before Alexander. We do not follow Alexander. Scripture was around long before him and that is what we follow, scripture.

So, what does scripture say about "going to hell if you don't ask for forgiveness"......

Here is something straight from Jesus to the first century christians, and us.

These people Jesus speaks to are already Christians:

Revelation 2
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.

16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Revelation 3
1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

The Lord is talking to the churches (people already Christians) and He is telling them to repent OR ELSE.

Hebrews 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

2 Thessalonians 1
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power

Matthew 18
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Galatians 5
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Do you realize that Paul is talking to Christians? If Christians do these things, they will NOT inherit the kingdom of God. They will not be saved.

Don't you know you will be judged by your actions? Don't you know you are judged by the "word"?

John 12:48
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Romans 2
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.


If you willfully sin before you die and do not repent and ask forgiveness, according to scripture....

Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

I noticed now you are saying in your "own humble opinion". You really should base something this serious on facts friend. See, what I pull from scripture, that is fact. So I do not need to place opinion here. I know for a fact, Christians that willfully sin and then die without repenting and asking forgiveness, will not be saved according to scripture.

 

[Aman777]

I don't know why you keep saying Campbellites. I gave you evidence that Christs church was around long before Alexander. We do not follow Alexander. Scripture was around long before him and that is what we follow, scripture.

So, what does scripture say about "going to hell if you don't ask for forgiveness"......

Here is something straight from Jesus to the first century christians, and us.

These people Jesus speaks to are already Christians:

Revelation 2
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.

16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Revelation 3
1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

The Lord is talking to the churches (people already Christians) and He is telling them to repent OR ELSE.

Hebrews 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

2 Thessalonians 1
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power

Matthew 18
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Galatians 5
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Do you realize that Paul is talking to Christians? If Christians do these things, they will NOT inherit the kingdom of God. They will not be saved.

Don't you know you will be judged by your actions? Don't you know you are judged by the "word"?

John 12:48
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Romans 2
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.


If you willfully sin before you die and do not repent and ask forgiveness, according to scripture....

Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

I noticed now you are saying in your "own humble opinion". You really should base something this serious on facts friend. See, what I pull from scripture, that is fact. So I do not need to place opinion here. I know for a fact, Christians that willfully sin and then die without repenting and asking forgiveness, will not be saved according to scripture.

Fear mongering against the God of Love. Posting long lengths of Scripture without explaining, is the mark of someone who wishes to deceive. Is your name Jeff Sessions?

 

[Acts2:38]

Posting long lengths of Scripture without explaining

If you actually read my post (which it sounds like you have not) they you can see there are explanations.

I post scripture because it is better, and always will be better, than my own opinions and explanations. Do you hate scripture? If so, then I will stop and our discussion is done. Because I will not speak without the authority of scripture in this sort of discussion.

Fear mongering against the God of Love.

Nope. That there that you read is straight from the bible. Not my words, the bible/gospel words.

Is your name Jeff Sessions?

Are we resorting to name calling now? If so, we are done. I wont be part of this kind of discussion.

 

[Aman777]

I post scripture because it is better, and always will be better, than my own opinions and explanations. Do you hate scripture? If so, then I will stop and our discussion is done. Because I will not speak without the authority of scripture in this sort of discussion.

I don't believe you. I believe you are posting the same gospel Alexander Campbell taught in the 1800s. Falsely assuming that the Gates of Hell had indeed defeated the Church, he set out to "restore it" and instead, restored John's message to Jews and not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Scripture tells us:

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Gal 1:9
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

[Acts2:38]

I don't believe you.

It's not me that you are disbelieving. I am posting scripture, so really your problem is with our Lord.

I believe you are posting the same gospel Alexander Campbell taught in the 1800s.

The scripture I am posting is long before Alexander.

I proved to you that churches of Christ were before Alexanders time.

I am showing you scripture. You are not refuting me, you are trying to refute scripture.

 

[Aman777]

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

 

[Acts2:38]

I have been showing you scriptural evidence left and right. You can't even defend your position of belief.

I have been answering everything you wanted. You have not answered anything of the core points.

You have responded only with opinions, I gave scripture.

I have nothing more I can do for you, as you absolutely refuse to pay attention and have a normal discussion, and even progress in a discussion.

Please have a wonderful week and weekend. Take care.

 

[Aman777]

Most people don't seem to know that Adam was the first living creature made. He was made on the 3rd Day before the plants, herbs and rain. Genesis 2:4-7 Absolute Scriptural proof is shown in Genesis 2:8-9 which show that Adam was made BEFORE trees, which were made on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 Amen?

 

[Acts2:38]

Most people don't seem to know that Adam was the first living creature made.

Most people have some sort of attention span longer than the 3-5 minutes it takes to read Genesis 1.

If you paid any attention to Genesis 1, then you know your statement is untrue, completely false.

He was made on the 3rd Day before the plants, herbs and rain.

Genesis 1:
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Can you please show me WHERE in Genesis 1 that Adam was created on the 3rd day, and not only on the 3rd day, show me that he was the first creature. I would really like to see where in Gen 1 it is because I am not seeing it.

Not only do I not see Adam on the 3rd day, but I see here that "great whales" and "fowls" were before man (Adam) on the 5th day since Adam is not shown til the 6th day.

Genesis 2:4-7 Absolute Scriptural proof is shown in Genesis 2:8-9 which show that Adam was made BEFORE trees, which were made on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 Amen?

Hmmm, what does scripture say about this?

Genesis 1:
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Nope, I don't see Adam here.

Genesis 2:
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

What I see here, is a conclusion to Genesis 1. Wrapping up Genesis 1, Genesis 2 also goes into detail about the 6th day when man was formed.

Genesis 2:
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

God at this point already made trees and such, Genesis 1 says so. All God did here is create a garden for Adam to live in, most likely done on the 6th day of creation. Genesis 2:1-6 wraps up Genesis 1 and then goes into detail about the 6th day of creation and after.
Why should Genesis 2 focus on the prior 5 days of creation when the bible is about man needing to follow Gods commands? Therefore Genesis 2 focuses on the 6th day.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

I think the remarks quoted contain isegesis - reading things into the passage - as well as exegesis: exploring the meaning already in the passage.

What is the technical -gesis term for simply pulling things from your posterior?

Most people don't seem to know that Adam was the first living creature made. He was made on the 3rd Day before the plants, herbs and rain. Genesis 2:4-7 Absolute Scriptural proof is shown in Genesis 2:8-9 which show that Adam was made BEFORE trees, which were made on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 Amen?

The world would be a better place if there were fewer people insisting that they 'know' falsehoods like this.

 

[Aman777]

Aman777 said: ↑
Most people don't seem to know that Adam was the first living creature made. He was made on the 3rd Day before the plants, herbs and rain. Genesis 2:4-7 Absolute Scriptural proof is shown in Genesis 2:8-9 which show that Adam was made BEFORE trees, which were made on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 Amen?

What is the technical -gesis term for simply pulling things from your posterior?

The world would be a better place if there were fewer people insisting that they 'know' falsehoods like this.

Such criticism should refute what I posted. Can you refute me and prove me wrong Scripturally, scientifically or historically? Of course not. All you have managed to do is show your ad hominem ability. Try to do better. God Bless you

 

[Acts2:38]

Aman777 said: ↑
Most people don't seem to know that Adam was the first living creature made. He was made on the 3rd Day before the plants, herbs and rain. Genesis 2:4-7 Absolute Scriptural proof is shown in Genesis 2:8-9 which show that Adam was made BEFORE trees, which were made on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 Amen?

My response you haven't answered yet, yet again, another set of things you most likely wont respond to like the few questions I had before that I asked over six times and no response.

Most people have some sort of attention span longer than the 3-5 minutes it takes to read Genesis 1.

If you paid any attention to Genesis 1, then you know your statement is untrue, completely false.



Genesis 1:
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Can you please show me WHERE in Genesis 1 that Adam was created on the 3rd day, and not only on the 3rd day, show me that he was the first creature. I would really like to see where in Gen 1 it is because I am not seeing it.

Not only do I not see Adam on the 3rd day, but I see here that "great whales" and "fowls" were before man (Adam) on the 5th day since Adam is not shown til the 6th day.



Hmmm, what does scripture say about this?

Genesis 1:
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Nope, I don't see Adam here.

Genesis 2:
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

What I see here, is a conclusion to Genesis 1. Wrapping up Genesis 1, Genesis 2 also goes into detail about the 6th day when man was formed.

Genesis 2:
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

God at this point already made trees and such, Genesis 1 says so. All God did here is create a garden for Adam to live in, most likely done on the 6th day of creation. Genesis 2:1-6 wraps up Genesis 1 and then goes into detail about the 6th day of creation and after.
Why should Genesis 2 focus on the prior 5 days of creation when the bible is about man needing to follow Gods commands? Therefore Genesis 2 focuses on the 6th day.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Such criticism should refute what I posted. Can you refute me and prove me wrong Scripturally, scientifically or historically? Of course not. All you have managed to do is show your ad hominem ability. Try to do better. God Bless you

Insisting that someone 'prove you wrong' is the refuge of scoundrels. Science is the best method of knowing what is true and what isn't that we have. And science doesn't do proof, only selecting the best hypothesis to describe the evidence. Proof is for logic and mathematics and we are not discussing logic or mathematics here.

The reasonable thing to do is to look at the evidence. In this case, the fossil record. You claim that Adam was the first living thing. However, the fossil record clearly shows that life evolved from simple to complex, and that mammals first appeared about 160 million years ago, the first primates about 65 million years ago. The first apes appeared about 21 million years ago, and anatomically modern man about 200,000 years ago. Clearly, true humans were not the first living things on this planet.

Unless you want to redefine 'Adam' as an accidental collection of chemicals in a membrane (or similar). Which given your previous 'interpretations' of scripture I wouldn't put past you.

 

[Aman777]

Science is the best method of knowing what is true and what isn't that we have.

I call it a part-truth since it is changeable over time and does NOT agree with every other Truth. God's Truth changes NOT. It doesn't have to. IF you wish to find God's Truth, it's found in the agreement of Scripture with the discoveries of mankind.

The reasonable thing to do is to look at the evidence. In this case, the fossil record. You claim that Adam was the first living thing. However, the fossil record clearly shows that life evolved from simple to complex, and that mammals first appeared about 160 million years ago, the first primates about 65 million years ago. The first apes appeared about 21 million years ago, and anatomically modern man about 200,000 years ago. Clearly, true humans were not the first living things on this planet.

You are confusing the sons of God (prehistoric people) with Humans (descendants of Adam). Adam NEVER took a single step on the present Earth.

Unless you want to redefine 'Adam' as an accidental collection of chemicals in a membrane (or similar). Which given your previous 'interpretations' of scripture I wouldn't put past you.

Be nice. Adam was made to be immortal in the likeness of Lord God/Jesus. He lived with his Creator for billions of years BEFORE the first living creature appeared in water some 14 billion years later. Genesis 1:21

I don't have an interpretation which does NOT agree with Science and History since I show that God's Truth MUST agree with the discoveries of man or it is but a part-truth. Amen?